humor me

[phil]

Consider large corporations today. Countless amounts of times these greedy corperations stumble accross some type of "new" technology. Instead of releasing this information to the public they put it aside for one simple reason. They dont know how to make a profit from it. So my friend, Technology is actually slower then it should be.

since the amounts are countless why dont you point some out. i mean there should be some pretty good examples.

why in the era of capitalism and freedom did technology flourish. there has never been a more rapid technological advance in human history than in the last 200 years.

Look at our education system. If you are rich or upper middle class, you are most likey to recieve a much better education then anyone else below you.

and chances are if your parents have the money to provide you with a good education they worked their asses off for it and sacrificed cigarettes, alcohol, drugs, fast food, fancy clothes, jewelry, cell phones, and other luxuries many of todays poor consider "necessities". i know you commies think luck is the biggest factor in financial success but when it comes down to it the benefits of hard work and sacrifice speak for itself. why hasnt communism worked in the places it has been implemented so far? i dont give a shit what you think, if youre communist, youre ANTI AMERICAN and thats all there is to it. communism is not a system that would EVER exist in america. (thank god)

When you say communism is a way to destroy our way of life, you mean it takes away GREED, HUNGER, IGNORANCE, SLAVERY, RACISM, ETC, ETC, ETC.

greed? so communism has no leadership? that has to be the case because if you think that type of government would be immune to corruption then youre smokin crack homie.

well free food sounds good but not at the cost of every other liberty we enjoy as americans. sorry.

ignorance? come on now thats a matter of opinion so ill leave it at that.

slavery? why dont you look at what nations still impose slavery today. dont you dare imply that slavery is still an institution here. you might want to check the sudan in africa for that.

racism? this like the greed issue comes down to human nature. you cant dictate opinion through legislation homie. only at the end of a gun which is probably how these problems would be resolved

look at it like this. if you took all the worlds money and divided it up equally, and gave everyone a clean slate, give it 1 or 2 years (if that) and a large portion of the people who were wealthy before will maintain that wealth and probably make it grow, while we will still have the gamblers, alcoholics, womanizers, and other morons telling us we need to cut them slack or "help them" when they end up broke like they were.

just tell me one thing. how would a communist government be able to maintain 100% integrity with its people? how is that. is there a man on this earth you trust enough with that role? i certainly hope not.

 

[already dead.]

206, You sound good in theory. The problem is poverty, ignorance, racism, and inequality have existed since the dawn of man. And no economic system has ever changed that. Look at communist China. They posess the largest surplus of labor and human resources ever in the history of mankind, however they don't do more than get by. The promise of bread and water does not drive technology and advancement upward.
How would communism be implemented in the U.S.? It wouldn't. There are too many intelligent people here to fall into the mental pit of the promise of bread, water, and a tin roof shelter for all. Communism has never been successful on a large scale. It may not have totally collapsed in the case of countries like China or North Korea, but it doesn't exactly produce the most industrious and successful societies ever, like you are saying.
Communism would only really benefit the dirt poor. And the U.S., per capita, has the least poor of any country in the world. And those poor have it alot better than anywhere else. They have options like recieving welfare, sitting on the street and begging, or living on AFDC housing. Compare this to any third world country, where getting a meal involves beating up the kid down the street for it, making a weekly wage that is comparable to the wage for one half hour of work in America. That is the reality of the rest of the world. The fact that America is so rich just allows us to sit around and look at our poor like they have it the worst of anyone ever, when in fact this is not the case at all.
You seem to be someone with good ideals. You have a good goal in mind in supporting Communism. The problem is, how are you going to know that everyone in our new communist government is going to feel the same way.
If everyone gets one shoe to walk with, and this obviously is not enough, is the manager of the shoe factory going to take an extra one for each member of his family? Of course.
If the government pays the doctor the same as it pays a McDonald's worker,is someone going to go through 12 years of school to become a doctor? Of course not.
Do the large corporations of America hide technological advances in the form of patents and R&D shutdowns? Yes, but they uncover more information in the search for profit.
If Communism produces the largest sharing of information and technological advancements, then why aren't all communist countries advancing at speeds faster than capitalist ones? Why is America in many categories at the absolute top of the game in sciences and research? Because we have let a little communism slip into the corporate system? No. Profit drives innovation. Money makes people work harder. Greed makes the world go round. What is likely to motivate someone better, a hundred dollars, or the opportunity to help an old lady accross the street? Yes, some people would like to help the old lady, but in the long run, humans are really concerned with their own situation. Does this mean all capitalist societies are greedy, uncaring, and diabolical? No. They just know how the system works, and how to use it.
Keep thinking of ways to help the american situation. That kind of thinking is helpful and promotes positive change in society. Find a way other than communism, and you'll really get somewhere.

 

[phil]

206, You sound good in theory. The problem is poverty, ignorance, racism, and inequality have existed since the dawn of man. And no economic system has ever changed that. Look at communist China. They posess the largest surplus of labor and human resources ever in the history of mankind, however they don't do more than get by. The promise of bread and water does not drive technology and advancement upward.
How would communism be implemented in the U.S.? It wouldn't. There are too many intelligent people here to fall into the mental pit of the promise of bread, water, and a tin roof shelter for all. Communism has never been successful on a large scale. It may not have totally collapsed in the case of countries like China or North Korea, but it doesn't exactly produce the most industrious and successful societies ever, like you are saying.
Communism would only really benefit the dirt poor. And the U.S., per capita, has the least poor of any country in the world. And those poor have it alot better than anywhere else. They have options like recieving welfare, sitting on the street and begging, or living on AFDC housing. Compare this to any third world country, where getting a meal involves beating up the kid down the street for it, making a weekly wage that is comparable to the wage for one half hour of work in America. That is the reality of the rest of the world. The fact that America is so rich just allows us to sit around and look at our poor like they have it the worst of anyone ever, when in fact this is not the case at all.
You seem to be someone with good ideals. You have a good goal in mind in supporting Communism. The problem is, how are you going to know that everyone in our new communist government is going to feel the same way.
If everyone gets one shoe to walk with, and this obviously is not enough, is the manager of the shoe factory going to take an extra one for each member of his family? Of course.
If the government pays the doctor the same as it pays a McDonald's worker,is someone going to go through 12 years of school to become a doctor? Of course not.
Do the large corporations of America hide technological advances in the form of patents and R&D shutdowns? Yes, but they uncover more information in the search for profit.
If Communism produces the largest sharing of information and technological advancements, then why aren't all communist countries advancing at speeds faster than capitalist ones? Why is America in many categories at the absolute top of the game in sciences and research? Because we have let a little communism slip into the corporate system? No. Profit drives innovation. Money makes people work harder. Greed makes the world go round. What is likely to motivate someone better, a hundred dollars, or the opportunity to help an old lady accross the street? Yes, some people would like to help the old lady, but in the long run, humans are really concerned with their own situation. Does this mean all capitalist societies are greedy, uncaring, and diabolical? No. They just know how the system works, and how to use it.
Keep thinking of ways to help the american situation. That kind of thinking is helpful and promotes positive change in society. Find a way other than communism, and you'll really get somewhere.

thats what i was about to say





































i swear

 

[miggidy]

I guess Communism is like Capitalism, has it's pro's and con's.

But I will say this, Communism countries are always isolated by the rest of the world. Look at Cuba for instance, the US policy is,
"Do business with Cuba? And you can forget doing business with us!".
Now shit like that makes it impossible for Communist countries to even make it off the ground.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

@already dead,

Firstly, I would like to state that I appreciate the fact that you responded kindly to my post...Unlike others who feel it necessary to insult one for their beliefs.

Secondly, I respect all of your opinions.

Next, I think we need to get one thing straight before we continue any further. When I speak of “communism” I am referring to what Marx/Engles created. I am also speaking of what Lenin/Trotsky fought so hard for. I am not speaking about Stalin, Mao, Castro, or any current communist leaders/countries.

“206, You sound good in theory. The problem is poverty, ignorance, racism, and inequality have existed since the dawn of man. And no economic system has ever changed that. Look at communist China. They posess the largest surplus of labor and human resources ever in the history of mankind, however they don't do more than get by. The promise of bread and water does not drive technology and advancement upward.”


Communist China is not a communist country. They may claim to be, but the fact is they are far away from the original beliefs of Marx/Engles.

I agree that poverty, ignorance, racism, and inequality have existed since the dawn of man and no economic system has ever changed that. That is why I label myself a “communist.” I strongly believe that in a communist society, much of those problems would be dramatically decreased. In a capitalist society, it is essential that these factors exist.

“How would communism be implemented in the U.S.? It wouldn't.”

It could only by revolution. I have stated before that communism is a long process. It isn’t something that can just happen over night. Karl Marx preached this. Lenin and Trotsky knew this.

“Communism has never been successful on a large scale. It may not have totally collapsed in the case of countries like China or North Korea, but it doesn't exactly produce the most industrious and successful societies ever, like you are saying.”

The simple fact is never has a communist country existed. The closest thing to it was the USSR for a very short time before Lenin died. The collapse of the Soviet Union did not start in the 80’s; it was in fact when Stalin took over.

“Communism would only really benefit the dirt poor. And the U.S., per capita, has the least poor of any country in the world. And those poor have it alot better than anywhere else. They have options like recieving welfare, sitting on the street and begging, or living on AFDC housing. Compare this to any third world country, where getting a meal involves beating up the kid down the street for it, making a weekly wage that is comparable to the wage for one half hour of work in America. That is the reality of the rest of the world. The fact that America is so rich just allows us to sit around and look at our poor like they have it the worst of anyone ever, when in fact this is not the case at all.”

I disagree. I believe communism would benefit mankind. If in fact the U.S has the least amount of poor people in the world, per capita, (Which I do not believe) and these people have so many benefits, (Which I also do not believe) why is it such a problem in our society? Wouldn’t you prefer a country that takes care of these people and does there best to make sure that there are not poor people?

“You seem to be someone with good ideals. You have a good goal in mind in supporting Communism. The problem is, how are you going to know that everyone in our new communist government is going to feel the same way.”

I would know the majority of the people “feel the same way” because it would actually be the people of amerika that implement it. Like I said, communism isn’t something that just happens. It occurs when the working class unites and has a revolution.

“If Communism produces the largest sharing of information and technological advancements, then why aren't all communist countries advancing at speeds faster than capitalist ones?.”

Two reasons; a true communist country never existed, and the countries that claimed to be communist sure as hell didn’t get any help from amerika. Quite the opposite occurred. Amerika did everything that they could to make sure they did not advance. Don’t you remember the “War on communism?”

“Money makes people work harder. Greed makes the world go round. What is likely to motivate someone better, a hundred dollars, or the opportunity to help an old lady accross the street? Yes, some people would like to help the old lady, but in the long run, humans are really concerned with their own situation. Does this mean all capitalist societies are greedy, uncaring, and diabolical? No. They just know how the system works, and how to use it.”

In our society, that is true. Money and greed are the key tools to survive. It might be shocking to you, but not all humans feel the same way. And I’m not talking about just people here in Amerika, I’m talking about people all over the world, especially ones who live in completely different cultures then ours. Money and greed are not something that humans are born with. They are only taught that money is everything. It is in fact Capitalism that teaches this. Dog eat dog. Kill or be killed. Wouldn’t you rather live in a “Man help man, Son teach son” world?

 

[Mcleanhatch]

slavery? why dont you look at what nations still impose slavery today.

N. Korea

look at it like this. if you took all the worlds money and divided it up equally, and gave everyone a clean slate, give it 1 or 2 years (if that) and a large portion of the people who were wealthy before will maintain that wealth and probably make it grow

true^^^^

 

[MizeryU]

YOU MEAN INSULT ONE FOR THEIR IGNORANCE DONT YOU?

fuckin crybaby

 

[Mcleanhatch]

I guess Communism is like Capitalism, has it's pro's and con's.

But I will say this, Communism countries are always isolated by the rest of the world. Look at Cuba for instance, the US policy is,
"Do business with Cuba? And you can forget doing business with us!".
Now shit like that makes it impossible for Communist countries to even make it off the ground.

those restrictions are not imposed with China, N. Korea, Venezuela, (Brazil or Argentina?), whats their excuse

 

[Mcleanhatch]

Two reasons; a true communist country never existed, and the countries that claimed to be communist sure as hell didn’t get any help from amerika.

help from America??? why would America help their rival.

Quite the opposite occurred. Amerika did everything that they could to make sure they did not advance. Don’t you remember the “War on communism?”

well all i can say is if their was a "war on communism" there sure as hell was also a war on "Capitalism" coming from the communist side.

it was called the "Cold War" which had two sides fighting eachother "communism" and "Capitalism"

 

[Mcleanhatch]

Actually evolution of mankind and technology in general would advance at a much faster rate then it is now.

Consider large corporations today. Countless amounts of times these greedy corperations stumble accross some type of "new" technology. Instead of releasing this information to the public they put it aside for one simple reason. They dont know how to make a profit from it. So my friend, Technology is actually slower then it should be.

but more importantly without powerful corperations there would be NO new groundbreaking-type technology

 

[already dead.]

I feel what you saying 206...If in your view a real communist country never existed, which is the same thing alot of modern communists say, when is one going to start?
You're right I don't know for sure if America has the least disadvantaged per capita, but I would venture to say it probly does. Gonna have to research it.
But the revolution you speak of is, in my opinion, never gonna happen. The wealth in America is unrivaled anywhere else. to America is the richest nation in the world. If you think about drug addicts, you could say that living in American wealth is like doing heroine. Massages, fast cars, the fastest internet, our upper and middle classes enjoy some of the best services and wealth ever. They will fight to protect this, and until the poor are a majority, a majority with the ability to join for a common goal, with common interests, the revolution will not come.
And I see in the future a change in the overall climate of America, one that is more friendly to rising from the bottom. With the rise of economic sensitivity, multiculturalism, and general social awareness, America will become more like the land of opportunity of old. Positive progress will be made instead of negative. The time for the revolution will pass as more disadvantaged rise out of their situation.
I'm with you at heart, I just believe change can be affected with the current structure. We dont need a new one.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

You're right I don't know for sure if America has the least disadvantaged per capita, but I would venture to say it probly does. Gonna have to research it.

I'm sure its one of the lowest, but I remember hearing a while ago that there are at least two other countries that have lower. Not positive though.

But the revolution you speak of is, in my opinion, never gonna happen. The wealth in America is unrivaled anywhere else. to America is the richest nation in the world.

Remember, I'm not saying that its going to happen any time soon. But the direction amerika is going in, I believe it will happen eventually. We are slowly losing our rights and freedom and if this continues, the people will unite.

 

[Ender]

In order for things to work you have to start from the root first. The ONLY people that should be in positions of authority are people that are good. Anybody who would abuse his position of authority should be stripped of his authority by anymeans necessary. There should be a core group of people that have been tried and tested and have earned their right to have this authority. One government for the whole world one system. The way things are now is that the people who use this system and mentality have been corrupted. So it is time for it to be cleansed by the righteous. I believe in hardcore justice. You'd be surprised how many people would stop what they are doing when threatened by death. Cuz no matter who you are everybody knows you can't take nothin you have here to Heaven. And all you have on Earth will be stripped from you after you die. Me personally I need something to die for. I could spend the rest of my life protecting the innocent and the blind. I just haven't been able to find people who think like I do that aren't caught up in all the madness, prejudices, and biases of the world. I wanted to go as deep into the beast as I could and stab that mothafucker right in it's heart. I can't find these people on my own, they know how not to be found. So I say what I feel with the hopes that they'll find me. I know there out there cuz I can hear them. What did this have to do with communism and government? Everything. I am fuckin sick and tired of being lied too and decieved by people who have no right to do this to me. Before I die I'll change this whole fuckin world be it by sheer will alone. I know there's a God and I know He's pissed He won't let things keep going the way they are going. Fuck your books, fuck your t.v., fuck your advertisements, fuck your drugs, and fuck any other form of oppression of the blind. You wanna fix the world do what's mothafuckin right and eliminate anybody who would come to oppress you it's that simple. Teach goddammit, don't confuse or take advantage of people.

I do know a sinner, if it's needed.

"The devil you know is better than the devil you don't" -Dialated Peoples