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If your truly interested in knowing how/why/when, which I dont think you are oh great deciple of mcleanhatch, then click on this link http://www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/classics/manifesto.html
If your looking for one line answers, your not going to get it. Here are other links you can study. http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1913/mar/x01.htm
http://www.marxist.com/classics/lenin/staterev.html
Once your done studying those links, come back and either tell us how or why it would/wouldn't work instead of wasting my time.
If your looking for one line answers, your not going to get it. Here are other links you can study. http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1913/mar/x01.htm
http://www.marxist.com/classics/lenin/staterev.html
Once your done studying those links, come back and either tell us how or why it would/wouldn't work instead of wasting my time.
yeah, i didnt get too far into it, i was basically looking for an answer for my question, not some history of the class structure throughout human existence.
can you answer my question? it doesnt have to be a one word answer but explain in laymans terms what would change. how would employment be assigned? would all jobs pay the same?
can you answer my question? it doesnt have to be a one word answer but explain in laymans terms what would change. how would employment be assigned? would all jobs pay the same?
Communism has never succeeded in a fair and democratic way, period. The only way communism is viable is with a government that is armed to the teeth and not afraid to pop off at the slightest hint of disobedience.
Communism works on the principle that the average man cares about the good of the whole and will only take what is necessary. While this may be great for those of us in cardboard boxes, those of us anywhere above the poverty line will suffer. Communism eliminates innovation, competition, and advancement.
A man is not motivated to come up with new ways to power cars and run machines if he is promised a slice of bread and a glass of water for his efforts. This either leads to a total work slowdown, or embezzlement and corruption, as the manager of the shoe factory who wants extra shoes takes some home for his family. The second that happens, communism is failing.
America isnt the richest country in the world for no reason. People talk about an epidemic of poverty being a viable reason for communism. America's poor have it better than poor people in any other country. It's also funny that 206 tries to compare the USA with the most infamous communist regime in history as proof that America is fucked up while supporting communism on the other hand. Communism in essence is Soviet Russia, it is Communist China, it's not Che Guevara and it's not bread and soup for all.
It is about satisfying quotas, doing just enough to get by in your job, and looking forward to nothing more thn eating a meal with your family. Communism will never be in place in America, ever. Marxist ideals are great as a theory. The problem with them is that the goodness in people's hearts is not large and neverending. People are greedy. People dont work on a need basis, especially in America. People work on a want basis.
And you can go on about 'not me bla bla this and that', but regardless of however filled with care for the common man you might be, communism works against human nature, the nature of the average person, to take more than they need, to take what they want. It's not an evil capitalist greed. It's what makes America what it is. And evil policies in government have nothing to do with the economic system. If anything, Communism promotes shooting people in the head to achieve goals.
And before you point it out, No, marxist communism doesnt promote this, communism in real life does.
Communism works on the principle that the average man cares about the good of the whole and will only take what is necessary. While this may be great for those of us in cardboard boxes, those of us anywhere above the poverty line will suffer. Communism eliminates innovation, competition, and advancement.
A man is not motivated to come up with new ways to power cars and run machines if he is promised a slice of bread and a glass of water for his efforts. This either leads to a total work slowdown, or embezzlement and corruption, as the manager of the shoe factory who wants extra shoes takes some home for his family. The second that happens, communism is failing.
America isnt the richest country in the world for no reason. People talk about an epidemic of poverty being a viable reason for communism. America's poor have it better than poor people in any other country. It's also funny that 206 tries to compare the USA with the most infamous communist regime in history as proof that America is fucked up while supporting communism on the other hand. Communism in essence is Soviet Russia, it is Communist China, it's not Che Guevara and it's not bread and soup for all.
It is about satisfying quotas, doing just enough to get by in your job, and looking forward to nothing more thn eating a meal with your family. Communism will never be in place in America, ever. Marxist ideals are great as a theory. The problem with them is that the goodness in people's hearts is not large and neverending. People are greedy. People dont work on a need basis, especially in America. People work on a want basis.
And you can go on about 'not me bla bla this and that', but regardless of however filled with care for the common man you might be, communism works against human nature, the nature of the average person, to take more than they need, to take what they want. It's not an evil capitalist greed. It's what makes America what it is. And evil policies in government have nothing to do with the economic system. If anything, Communism promotes shooting people in the head to achieve goals.
And before you point it out, No, marxist communism doesnt promote this, communism in real life does.
Carl Marx himself actually once tried to refute the 'human nature' argument by stating that people can be retrained in their practices through large scale government reeducation a.k.a. brainwashing. Either fill someone with so much pride in the communism system that they are part of that they will willinglyr comply and do what they want or make it disadvantageous for them to do so.
In the case of most communist regimes, the brainwashing is often attempted, however, the second method in the form of a bullet to the head is more often administered. The other funny fact about communism is that leaders who rise to power to overthrow governments and gain the support of the masses often do so enlisting the help of talented philosophers, speechwriters, and thinkers. Once they get up in that seat, though, those people, believe it or not, are the first to go. The people who gave the intellectual backing to the leader are identified as the biggest obstacles to total power, and thus go on trips and disappear, get snatched in broad daylight, or accused of treason. All these people who advocate communism, all these people who talk about how fucked up the government is and how the system needs drastic change, these are the people who would be the most unsafe in communism.
Communism is never gonna happen in America. Keep beating that dead horse if you want, but you gettin nowhere.
In the case of most communist regimes, the brainwashing is often attempted, however, the second method in the form of a bullet to the head is more often administered. The other funny fact about communism is that leaders who rise to power to overthrow governments and gain the support of the masses often do so enlisting the help of talented philosophers, speechwriters, and thinkers. Once they get up in that seat, though, those people, believe it or not, are the first to go. The people who gave the intellectual backing to the leader are identified as the biggest obstacles to total power, and thus go on trips and disappear, get snatched in broad daylight, or accused of treason. All these people who advocate communism, all these people who talk about how fucked up the government is and how the system needs drastic change, these are the people who would be the most unsafe in communism.
Communism is never gonna happen in America. Keep beating that dead horse if you want, but you gettin nowhere.
If you were to study those links, you would cleary understand why I am in favor of communism. To answer your question, "how would it be implemented?" I suppose the only answer to this is by a revolution. I do understand that this will not happen any time soon. However, I do believe that one day the people will unite together and oppose the current currupt system we live in.
Actually evolution of mankind and technology in general would advance at a much faster rate then it is now.
Consider large corporations today. Countless amounts of times these greedy corperations stumble accross some type of "new" technology. Instead of releasing this information to the public they put it aside for one simple reason. They dont know how to make a profit from it. So my friend, Technology is actually slower then it should be.
Look at our education system. If you are rich or upper middle class, you are most likey to recieve a much better education then anyone else below you. How is this helping mankind? It isnt, it is slowing down the process of mankind. Capitalism strives on the speration of the people. It needs poor people. It needs to exploit people. This is NOT helping mankind or the planet at all. It is slowly destroying it.
When you say communism is a way to destroy our way of life, you mean it takes away GREED, HUNGER, IGNORANCE, SLAVERY, RACISM, ETC, ETC, ETC.
50+ years of hardcore anti-communist propaganda from our governent. No wonder so many of you are ignorant.
Consider large corporations today. Countless amounts of times these greedy corperations stumble accross some type of "new" technology. Instead of releasing this information to the public they put it aside for one simple reason. They dont know how to make a profit from it. So my friend, Technology is actually slower then it should be.
Look at our education system. If you are rich or upper middle class, you are most likey to recieve a much better education then anyone else below you. How is this helping mankind? It isnt, it is slowing down the process of mankind. Capitalism strives on the speration of the people. It needs poor people. It needs to exploit people. This is NOT helping mankind or the planet at all. It is slowly destroying it.
When you say communism is a way to destroy our way of life, you mean it takes away GREED, HUNGER, IGNORANCE, SLAVERY, RACISM, ETC, ETC, ETC.
50+ years of hardcore anti-communist propaganda from our governent. No wonder so many of you are ignorant.
Is that all you can say? LMAO
Ignorant like I said.
"I told you the first time I'm not going to waste my time on you. If you would have asked me WITHOUT dissing me before I could even reply, then you would have fucking got your answers.
What is your obsession with 2-0-Sixx? Why is my name constantly in your mouth? Why is it that almost all of your recent posts have been directed at me?
I said it before and I'll say it again, I'm not going to waste my time on you. I've read your replies and posts in the past and they are FULL of ignorance. You have contributed NOTHING to the siccness. Only disses and ignorant posts. You cannot hold a civilized conversation and you have absolutely NO knowledge of the discussions you join. Why dont you leave the gathering of minds and go back to the STRANGE forum where you belong."
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Ignorant like I said.
"I told you the first time I'm not going to waste my time on you. If you would have asked me WITHOUT dissing me before I could even reply, then you would have fucking got your answers.
What is your obsession with 2-0-Sixx? Why is my name constantly in your mouth? Why is it that almost all of your recent posts have been directed at me?
I said it before and I'll say it again, I'm not going to waste my time on you. I've read your replies and posts in the past and they are FULL of ignorance. You have contributed NOTHING to the siccness. Only disses and ignorant posts. You cannot hold a civilized conversation and you have absolutely NO knowledge of the discussions you join. Why dont you leave the gathering of minds and go back to the STRANGE forum where you belong."
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