How Unfortunate, US troops death tolls surpasses that of 9/11 casualties.

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U.S. military deaths in Iraq pass 9/11 toll
Bomb kills 2 GIs near Baghdad; U.K. troops target renegade Iraqi cops
Jameat police station
Russ Nolan / British Army via AP
This image provided by the British Army shows the Jameat police station in Basra, Iraq, on Monday being destroyed in an explosion by British troops following a raid.

BAGHDAD, Iraq - The U.S. military death toll in Iraq has reached 2,974, one more than the number of deaths in the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks in the United States, according to an Associated Press count on Tuesday.

The U.S. military announced the deaths of two soldiers in a bomb explosion southwest of Baghdad on Monday.

The deaths raised the number of troops killed to 2,974 since the beginning of the Iraq war in March 2003. The Sept. 11, 2001, attacks claimed 2,973 victims in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania.
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“The joint patrol was conducting security operations in order to stop terrorists from placing roadside bombs in the area,” the military said in a statement on the latest deaths. “As they conducted their mission, a roadside bomb exploded near one of their vehicles.”

Another soldier was wounded in the explosion, the military said.

Raid targets renegade Iraqi police
On Monday, British soldiers backed by tanks raided a police station in the southern city of Basra, killing seven gunmen in an effort to stop renegade Iraqi officers from executing their prisoners, the British military said.

After the British stormed the Basra police station, they removed the prisoners, who showed evidence of torture, then evacuated the building before blowing it up.

The operation showed how closely aligned some police units are with militias and death squads — and the challenges coalition forces face as they transfer authority for security to Iraqis.

In Baghdad, police found 40 bodies, apparent victims of sectarian violence. A car bomb exploded beside a market and a suicide bomber struck a bus in separate attacks that killed 14 civilians and wounded at least 33.

In the Basra raid, the British set out to arrest officers with the station’s serious crimes unit who were suspected of involvement with Shiite death squads. Seven members of the rogue police unit were apprehended three days ago in other raids, said a British spokeswoman, Royal Navy Lt. Jenny Saleh.
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Although there maybe some of you that say they deserve death, I may agree to some extent, but there are some who go in with a false hope of a better future, and don't really know the truth. For those who die in Vain, RIP. God Bless. FUCK BUSH!

RIP to those Innocent Iraqis Killed.
 
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r.i.p.. to the blind.. to the ones who fought a false war.. to the ones who sought refuge for their children.. those who couldn't make it no other way and trusted the government.. those lured into fighting just so there family could get medical benefits.. i say all this .. and think... some went out there.. just to kill.. kill as many iraqs' as they could.. because there parents brainwashed them.. brainwashed them more than bush ever could.. and these kids.. along with the innocent iraqi civilians.. which .. i have no number of.. but i know far exceed.. any number of humans our own government have intentionally/or unintentionally killed in this chapter of american corruptness.
 
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anybody have a body count for iraqi's.. one site said 51,000+.. and another said up to 100,000... either way.. that's ridiculous.. what happens to pawns in the afterlife.. i don't know where i got my enlightment from.. maybe i was a idiot in my past life.
 
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njosmith said:
where you all are dismayed and want to end the war,
No, and semi No. If there's such a thing
i am not surprised and am assured that this "war" will not simply end by us retreating.
Well then, I guess the thought of innocent blood spilling for a stupid cause seems more suitable then OK. But if you think about how much babysitting these Soldiers do, and how much innocent people are murdered then, I guess it should continue.
for all the people on here who claim to know such vaste amounts about culture and history, how is retreating perceived by islam in jihad?
A Victory, but so what?
Again, this matter, the clash between east and west, will not simply go away
True....True....but it's actually not a west versus east thing, if you include the west, include Canada, Mexico, South America, See where I'm getting at. It's more then Ming Tsai(Chef of Food Network) show, East Meets West. It's about Control. Well I guess your right, but east versus west...nah, give it a better name.
it will have to be dealt with at one time or another and after hundreds of years of dormantcy the muslims have been awaken.
Yup, and their time has come to spill the blood of their enemies and trespassers.
your replies of dispair are fruits for those who wish death to the west to snack on.
DEATH TO BUSH, DEATH TO IMMORALITY, DEATH UPON DEATH!
 
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nhojsmith said:
how is retreating perceived by islam in jihad?
What do Islam and jihad matter to regional, nationalist sectarian factions fighting over control of a country? Even by the US Army's own estimates, the vast mjaority are not fighting "jihad for Allah", they are attacking foreign invaders and who they perceive to be hostile groups. Your attempt to raise the boogeyman of Islamofacism falls flat.

Again, this matter, the clash between east and west, will not simply go away, it will have to be dealt with at one time or another and after hundreds of years of dormantcy the muslims have been awaken. your replies of dispair are fruits for those who wish death to the west to snack on. mmmmmmm.
What does this "clash of civilizations" have to do with a secular ruler who posed little or no threat to the US attacked and toppled by us?

Thie "clash of civilizations" will continue as long as people like you see the Middle East as one big, scary mob of US-flag burning suicide bombers and nothing else, and Israel as this innocent, peaceful, God-blessed nation of holy people.
 
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This is crazy!

WHITE DEVIL said:
What do Islam and jihad matter to regional, nationalist sectarian factions fighting over control of a country? Even by the US Army's own estimates, the vast mjaority are not fighting "jihad for Allah", they are attacking foreign invaders and who they perceive to be hostile groups. Your attempt to raise the boogeyman of Islamofacism falls flat.
Actually it doesn't.. He's speaking in reference to the Koran, and how Muslims are supposed to deal with foreign invaders of another religion(the wrong religion).. Forget what the U.S Army/western politicians are "estimating", these people are still Muslims before anything else..

"O you who believe! when you meet those who disbelieve marching for war, then turn not your backs to them. And whoever shall turn his back to them on that day-- unless he turn aside for the sake of fighting or withdraws to a company-- then he, indeed, becomes deserving of Allah's wrath, and his abode is hell; and an evil destination shall it be."

—Qur'an, 8:15-16


He actually had a good point there..
 
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ParkBoyz said:
"O you who believe! when you meet those who disbelieve marching for war, then turn not your backs to them. And whoever shall turn his back to them on that day-- unless he turn aside for the sake of fighting or withdraws to a company-- then he, indeed, becomes deserving of Allah's wrath, and his abode is hell; and an evil destination shall it be."

—Qur'an, 8:15-16


He actually had a good point there..
maybe im reading it wrong but doesnt the "unless he turn aside for the sake of fighting.." kind of exempt them from "allahs wrath"?


im waiting for NHOjsmith's response to WD's well said points..
 
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TROLL said:
maybe im reading it wrong but doesnt the "unless he turn aside for the sake of fighting.." kind of exempt them from "allahs wrath"?


im waiting for NHOjsmith's response to WD's well said points..
You're not reading it wrong, you're interpreting it wrong.. It means that they are only allowed to retreat for strategic purposes.. Plus, to the Arab Muslims it isn't good to turn your back on war just because you don't feel like fighting. Check this out..


"Not equal are those of the believers who sit [at home] without any [genuine] excuse and those who strive hard and fight in the cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has given preference by a degree to those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit [at home]. [In reality], for each, Allah has made a good promise and [in reality] Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight above those who sit [at home] by a huge reward. Degrees of [higher] grades from Him and forgiveness and mercy. And Allah is Ever Forgiving, Most Merciful."
—Qur'an, 4:95-96

Also

"Fight those who believe not in Allah or the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission and are subdued."
—Qur'an, 9:29

^Not even saying that I agree with and/or take this position, just pointing out what NhoJsmith meant and this is what some Muslms use to justify their actions... I just said that he had a good point.. Actually, some Muslim scholars believe that these rules only applied in the times of Muhammed, this is all debatable...
 
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STOCKTON said:
So Parkboyz should you continue to turn the other cheek, or should you continue to slaughter innocent people as you have quoted.
You're not supposed to slaughter innocent people..

"Or those who approach you such that they neither have the courage to fight you nor their own people [and are such that] had Allah willed, indeed He would have given them power over you, and they would have fought you. So if they withdraw from you, and fight not against you, and offer you peace, then Allah does not give you permission to take any action against them."
—Qur'an, 4:90

^Basically if they didn't start any shit with you, and never did shit to you, leave them alone..
 
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So on one hand becuase they are Muslims it is obviously a religious war and the conflict of East and West, not a movement against the American occupation.

And on the other hand because they are Muslims they wont start shit with anyone.

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WHITE DEVIL said:
What do Islam and jihad matter to regional, nationalist sectarian factions fighting over control of a country? Even by the US Army's own estimates, the vast mjaority are not fighting "jihad for Allah", they are attacking foreign invaders and who they perceive to be hostile groups. Your attempt to raise the boogeyman of Islamofacism falls flat.



What does this "clash of civilizations" have to do with a secular ruler who posed little or no threat to the US attacked and toppled by us?

Thie "clash of civilizations" will continue as long as people like you see the Middle East as one big, scary mob of US-flag burning suicide bombers and nothing else, and Israel as this innocent, peaceful, God-blessed nation of holy people.
Are you playing devils advocate or did you have a change of heart/mind? Do you remember our back and forth convo about the muslims? Weren't you implying that they were suicide prone maniacs who took religion to the extreme? In that thread you were implying that all of islam (or the majority of it) was one big scary mob of suicide bombers. When I spoke about them attacking a hostile group and defending themselves you shrugged it off. Again, Are you playing devils advocate or did you have a change of heart/mind?
 
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I didn't believe that specifically in the context of the Iraq War, I believe when the topic became Islam in general and fight/wars that matter in the scheme of American national security that was / is my viewpoint.