How to make your poor poorer

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Oh Coy!Ocerto said:
This is all part of the governments plan for Martial Law...its goin down in 20 years....
Their plan was to have the american union by 2008 but I think its been pushed back. If no one stands up against them, the US will be in total depotism in 5.

Keeping the minimum wage low helps destroy the middle class. It also makes it easier to not force people into service via a draft. If you're out of a job or the minimum wage is lower than what you'll get in the armed services then people will go that route.

This goes hand in hand with the new bancruptcy laws that force you to repay all debts and will soon be createing debtors prisions again. That is why it is so important to pay off debts now before it hits the fan. Otherwise you'll be forced to work off your debt for corporations or subject to indebted servitude. They will decide how much they have to pay you in order to live, eat, etc. These same laws also won't protect you if you're an victim of identity theft and someone racks up a couple hundred thousand in charges.

Here's an article on how Senator Bill Frist has essentially killed the minimum wage bill by ammending a anti-abortion bill to it.
http://www.democrats.com/node/9286
 
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Eternal Designs said:
This goes hand in hand with the new bancruptcy laws that force you to repay all debts and will soon be createing debtors prisions again. That is why it is so important to pay off debts now before it hits the fan. Otherwise you'll be forced to work off your debt for corporations or subject to indebted servitude. They will decide how much they have to pay you in order to live, eat, etc. These same laws also won't protect you if you're an victim of identity theft and someone racks up a couple hundred thousand in charges.
Damn....i need to pay those fuckers off then....:ermm:
 
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Homo470 said:
Very true 2-0 SIXX....When my mom came over from mexico her parents pulled her out of high school her junior year to work in the fields. Now since then she has been a farm worker working in warehouse earing just minimum wage. She's a single mother with 2 kids right now, but she has to be on government assistance. And she has no way of getter herself out of that cycle cuz if she gets a better job then she has to move out of her low income housing and if she does that she still wont be able to afford the new place. So she's stuck there and its like the government is keeping her there. She only makes $12-$15k a year...So I try to help her out whenever I can obviously cuz i'm her son..but no one can criticize this life unless they've been thru it..
i can feel dat homie...its like ya damned if u and damned if you dont
 
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When i was in my freshman year I knew good grades meant good things to come but i didn't know exactly how. My freshman year I lived with my mom and that was it. Just me and my mom. She worked two jobs. I had nobody to lead me. I didn't know anything about scholorships. I didn't know the difference between ohiostate university and lorain community college lol All I knew was if i got good grades id get good pay when im older. lol... thats it. To say that all the doors are open at birth....i think not. I have to pay for being young and dumb with no role model or a parent to discipline me. Its sad to see that now my senior year i see this and realize what needed to be done. It's too late. :dead:
 

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Fuck minimum wage,I wanna know why the liberal baby killers of Washington made gambling online a crime that carries the same penalties as child pornography....Beside the fact the tribes are lining their little democratic pockets.
 

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YOUNG VILLAIN said:
^COULD YOU HAVE GONE ANYMORE OFF TOPIC? WHY FUCK MINIMUM WAGE? SHOULD THERE BE NONE? SHOULD WE ALL WORK FOR 25 CENTS AND HOUR?
Not to far off topic.We're discussing Washington States government.You are what you work for.I know people with no education who make a great living off landscaping,and I have 6-7 friends who make 80,000+ longshoring who have no high school diploma.There's hundreds of industrial jobs in Sodo Seattle that pay a great wage....get off your ass and look for one.
 
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BAMMER said:
Not to far off topic.We're discussing Washington States government.You are what you work for.I know people with no education who make a great living off landscaping,and I have 6-7 friends who make 80,000+ longshoring who have no high school diploma.There's hundreds of industrial jobs in Sodo Seattle that pay a great wage....get off your ass and look for one.
WA has one of the highest, if not the highest minimum wage rate in the country smart guy.
 
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BAMMER said:
Fuck minimum wage,I wanna know why the liberal baby killers of Washington made gambling online a crime that carries the same penalties as child pornography....Beside the fact the tribes are lining their little democratic pockets.

I don't want to fuck up this thread, because this is off the topic of the thread but following in your gay-ass-washington-seattle laws topic I thought you might want to check out this article:

http://www.seattleweekly.com/news/0603/nanny-seattle.php

Some of the shit they detailed was OUTRAGEOUS! Banning Olde English 800 in certain areas for example. As much as I love the town, sometimes I hate it.
 
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BAMMER said:
I know people with no education who make a great living off landscaping
Really? I used to do landscaping neither I nor the owner were making anything that great to speak of.
BAMMER said:
There's hundreds of industrial jobs in Sodo Seattle that pay a great wage....get off your ass and look for one.
No thanks playa. Washingtons a lil too far to commute for me.
 
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I feel so fucking proud to be an amerikan right now!!! Fuck yea!

Look how sneeky these bastards are...

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Senate blocks minimum wage rise

Democratic Senators have voted to block a measure that would have increased the US minimum wage from its current level of $5.15 an hour.

The bill, already passed by the US House of Representatives, would have raised wage levels to $7.25 by 2010.

But Democrats were unhappy that it was tied to a Republican plan to cut inheritance taxes paid by the rich.

The Republican-led Senate did not gain the 60 votes needed to enable final congressional passage of the package.

Opponents of the joint bill had previously said they were not expecting the bill to gain approval in the Senate.

Fattest cats'

On 30 July, the House of Representatives voted in favour of increasing the minimum wage from the existing hourly rate of $5.15 to $7.25 by the middle of 2009.

But the bill also included plans to cut estate taxes, which are a form of inheritance tax levied when a property transfers from one person to another following a death.

Republicans say small businesses and farmers would benefit.

But many economists argue that expanding the estate tax benefit would only serve a small slice of the US population, who are already rich.

"The Republicans can get 6.6 million Americans an increase in their basic minimum wage, as long as we promised that the fattest cats in America would get a great big bowl of tax cuts," said Senator Richard Durbin of Illinois, the second-ranking Democrat in the Senate.
 
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I'm late so what?

Deal to Raise Wage to $8
The governor and Democratic lawmakers agree to hike the state's minimum by $1.25. An annual cost-of-living adjustment is rejected.
By Marc Lifsher, Times Staff Writer
August 22, 2006

SACRAMENTO — More than 1 million Californians who earn the minimum wage will get a nearly 20% pay increase over the next year and a half, thanks to an agreement announced Monday between Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and Democratic leaders in the Legislature.

The hike, the first since early 2004, will lift the state minimum wage to $8 an hour from $6.75. Workers will get a 75-cent increase Jan. 1 and an additional 50 cents on Jan. 1, 2008.
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FOR THE RECORD:
California minimum wage: An article in Section A on Tuesday about an agreement to raise California's minimum wage in two steps to $8 an hour by Jan. 1, 2008, said the increases would be the first since early 2004. It was January 2002 when the state last raised its hourly minimum wage, to $6.75 from $6.25. —
Schwarzenegger praised the agreement as a boost for low-wage workers and the business climate. "I have always said that when the economy was ready, we should reward the efforts of California's hardworking families by raising our minimum wage," he said. "This is another sign California is coming back stronger than ever."

The jump to $7.50 on New Year's Day will make California's minimum wage the nation's fourth-highest, trailing those of Washington, Oregon and Connecticut, according to the California Federation of Labor. The federal minimum wage is $5.15 an hour.

"It's a long time coming, and frankly the reason it's coming is because this is a political year," said Art Pulaski, secretary-treasurer of the labor federation.

He said Schwarzenegger, running for reelection in November, had twice before vetoed similar bills but changed his mind this year as part of an electionyear move toward the political center.

Despite expected opposition from Republican lawmakers, a minimum wage bill is expected to win easy passage from the Democratic-controlled Legislature and be on the governor's desk shortly after lawmakers adjourn Aug. 31.

Getting a deal involved give-and-take from the Republican governor and the Legislature's two top Democrats — Assembly Speaker Fabian Nuñez of Los Angeles and Senate President Pro Tem Don Perata of Oakland.

Schwarzenegger agreed to fatten the increase to $1.25 an hour from $1. The Democrats and their labor union allies accepted $1.25 instead of $1.50 and relinquished a call to add an automatic, annual cost-of-living increase to the minimum wage.

Schwarzenegger's opponent in November, Democratic state Treasurer Phil Angelides, said that if elected he would sign any bill indexing minimum wage increases to inflation so that "working families are not held hostage to politics."

To further sweeten the deal for workers, Democrats said they got a commitment from Schwarzenegger to sign both the minimum wage bill and unrelated legislation that would extend for two years the ability of some workers to pick their own doctors rather than go to their employers' clinics to treat on-the-job injuries.

Nuñez and Perata called the increase "long overdue."

Nuñez, the lead negotiator, said, "California's most vulnerable workers will be getting a larger boost in their pay and quicker than we had hoped for."

Senate Republican leader Dick Ackerman (R-Irvine) said the hike would hurt the state's economy.

"Any time you raise the minimum wage, it's going to be a drag on business," he told the Associated Press. "It's going to have a negative impact on hiring minorities and low-income workers because there will be less jobs."

Some business groups backed the minimum wage hike, while all showed relief that Schwarzenegger's compromise protected them from being locked in to giving annual raises to their employees.

"We are happy to see that there is no indexing or cost-of-living increases as part of this package," said Gary Toebben, president of the Los Angeles Area Chamber of Commerce. "This means that any future increases have to be debated and sold on their merits."

Other business organizations, including the California Chamber of Commerce, said they still opposed any minimum wage hike, contending that the requirement for higher pay could backfire for some workers.

"The effect on employers could be not to hire more people and to make full-time people part-time," said Martyn Hopper, California state director of the National Federation of Independent Businesses.

Restaurateurs said they were particularly disappointed that the minimum wage jump would mainly help sometimes well-paid waiters rather than hourly kitchen workers, who generally earn wages that are above the minimum.

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The California Restaurant Assn. had advocated that hourly wages be frozen at $6.75 for the 400,000 tipped employees, who earn on average $25 to $35 an hour in tips, said association President Jot Condie.

Condie predicted that a higher minimum wage was going "to result in inflation at the dinner table" for customers of the state's 870,000 restaurants. "You're not going to see mass closures of restaurants, but, ultimately, the cost will be passed on," he said.

The hike, which when fully in place would add $2,600 a year to the $14,040 now earned by a full-time minimum-wage employee, should help both the state's lowest-paid workers and their colleagues who make a little more, said Jean Ross, executive director of the California Budget Project, a Sacramento-based policy think tank specializing in issues that affect low- and middle-income families.

Ross dismissed some employers' claims that the bulk of minimum-wage workers are teenagers and senior citizens who have other sources of income.

"Our research shows that more than 8 of 10 are adults, and 60% are full-time workers," she said.

The planned increases, though significant, still don't cover the basic needs of most workers, Ross said. A single worker with no dependents should earn $12.44 an hour to pay for basic needs and health insurance, she said.

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Wage comparison

Minimum hourly wages in the highest-paying states, actual or estimated as of Jan. 1, 2007.

Washington ...$7.80*

Oregon...$7.67*

Connecticut...$7.65

California...$7.50

Massachusetts...$7.50

* Rates are estimates in states with cost-of-living indexing.

Source: California Federation of Labor

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/p...0,6130733.story?page=2&coll=la-home-headlines
 
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Minimum wage exists because if the market were truley free, workers would be even further exploited by those in power/business owners. That being said, didnt the fed just stop its campaign of raising interest rates to thwart inflation. Because they have stopped rasing rates, inflation should be relatively in check. But now people want minimum wage up.

There was a quote somewhere in this thread that said the spending power of those on min wage is the lowest its ever been, well rasing the min wage will benefit those people making min wage at the expense of those not making min wage. The prices of goods will go up because now people have more money, supply and demand baby.

Maybe the poor get poorer, maybe they just get exploited for votes by whoever supports min wage inicreases knowing damn well it does nothing but trigger inflation and will raise interest rates even higher so the poor people can default on their mortgage payments and lose thier house.
 

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Eternal Designs said:
And as of last week you can add another $3,300 to that. And if you add all the bribes they take from lobbiests they are probably pulling 7 figures.
not to mention that these idiots only show up in congress 90 days a year. out of those 90 days they actually work maybe 15 days tops. then theres ther guranteed crap like social security pension. even if a lawmaker serves only one term thats guranteed for life. lets say that a so-called lawmaker gets in a scandal and resigns. that ish is still comin to them no matter what

these idiots attach unnecessary garbage to the wage increase legislation. what the hell do abortions have to do with minimum wage? absolutely nothing. far as im concerned its only one party. republicrats made up of both parties who are corrupt and get away with it. elections dont mean a thing. in the end u get more of the same crap
 
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The theme continues (poor getting poorer)...

In US, record numbers are plunged into poverty: report

By Associated Press
Republished from Yahoo
Productivity increases, wages fall, corporate profits boom.

WASHINGTON (AFP) – The gulf between rich and poor in the United States is yawning wider than ever, and the number of extremely impoverished is at a three-decade high, a report out Saturday found.

Based on the latest available US census data from 2005, the McClatchy Newspapers analysis found that almost 16 million Americans live in “deep or severe poverty” defined as a family of four with two children earning less than 9,903 dollars—one half the federal poverty line figure.

For individuals the “deep poverty” threshold was an income under 5,080 dollars a year.

The McClatchy analysis found that the number of severely poor Americans grew by 26 percent from 2000 to 2005,” the US newspaper chain reported.

“That’s 56 percent faster than the overall poverty population grew in the same period,” it noted.

The surge in poverty comes alongside an unusual economic expansion.

“Worker productivity has increased dramatically since the brief recession of 2001, but wages and job growth have lagged behind. At the same time, the share of national income going to corporate profits has dwarfed the amount going to wages and salaries,” the study found.

"That helps explain why the median household income for working-age families, adjusted for inflation, has fallen for five straight years.

"These and other factors have helped push 43 percent of the nation's 37 million poor people into deep poverty -- the highest rate since at least 1975. The share of poor Americans in deep poverty has climbed slowly but steadily over the last three decades," the report said.

It quoted an American Journal of Preventive Medicine study as having found that since 2000, the number of severely poor -- far below basic poverty terms -- in the United States has grown "more than any other segment of the population."

"That was the exact opposite of what we anticipated when we began," said Dr. Steven Woolf of Virginia Commonwealth University, a study co-author.

"We're not seeing as much moderate poverty as a proportion of the population. What we're seeing is a dramatic growth of severe poverty."

US social programs are minimal compared to those of western Europe and Canada. The United States has a population of 301 million, but more than 45 million US citizens have no health insurance.
 

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WELL SADLY TO SAY THERES NEVER GONNA BE WORLD PEACE, AND THERES ALWAYS GONNA BE POOR PEOPLE. SOME PEOPLE ARE SATISFIED WITH THAT LIFESTYLE. NOT EVERYONE WHO IS POOR IS SUCH BECAUSE THEY ARE OLD OR RETARDED. SOME PEOPLE JUST DONT GIVE A SHIT OR ARENT SMART ENOUGH TO ELEVATE THEMSELVES. SO THE ANSWER ISNT TO THROW MORE MONEY TO THEM BUT TO EDUCATE THEM. THATS WHERE THE PROBLEM LIES.. RAISING THE MINIMUM WAGE BY 5 DOLLARS WOULDNT CHANGE THE POVERTY LEVELS IN AMERICA. ITS A MINDSET NOT A DOLLAR FIGURE. QUIT TRYING TO BLAME THE MINIMUM WAGE FOR POVERTY. ITS NOT AN END ALL. I UNDERSTAND IT MAKES YOU AND OTHER COMMIES FEEL BETTER THAT THE PEOPLE WITH MONEY ARE BEING PUNISHED BUT ITS NOT DOING ANYTHING FOR THOSE WHO ARE TOO STUPID TO GET OUT OF POVERTY. ITS JUST GIVING THEM A COUPLE MORE CRUMBS.