How the Department of Defense mishandled the disaster at Abu Ghraib.

[WHITE DEVIL]

You are a fucking comedic genius. Yes, there are downsides to every job. But going to war with an entire country is not like "working at an environmentally unsound factory". The fact that Bush declared war on Iraq does not make the war morally sound, reasonable, or productive.

Iraq War = Injuring America in the long run. It's not *helping* it. It's actually not helping much of anything. We are *causing* future terrorism. We are not eliminating it. Being part of a counterproductive, phony mission does not make you a warrior or a champion. Thus, the bat analogy. The Iraq war is hurting us now and going to cause us harm in the future in a multitude of ways. I shudder to think about what a mental midget you must be if you honestly believe otherwise. Actually no, strike that last sentence. I'm not going to resort to tadou-ism.

But calling someone a coward for going against something they believe will cause harm, whether financial, diplomatic, or otherwise, to their family or country is about the most backwards thing you can say.

 

[WHITE DEVIL]

If you join the military right now, odds are you will go to Iraq.

 

[WHITE DEVIL]

Good for you. Study Arabic in an igloo, you're still supporting the US Govt war efforts.

 

[shep]

1.Was this nation not built on war?
2. Will this nation not die at the hands of war?
3.Will not this nation continue to prosper under the auspices of war and its ramifications?

1. Yes, but a justafiable war, a war in which the people were given the reason to go ahead of time, not switching midstream.
2. It probably will.
3. Prosper? i doubt it. america is on the decline. Not only does most of the world hate us for what we do in war, but we are losing the world economically to the likes of the EU and soon to be China. The only stronghold we have is Latin America, and EU will more than likely take their business from us sooner than later.

 

[shep]

1. This country was built on more than one war. Revolutionary war, Civil War, WW1, WW2 and all the rest all had their reasons...........Germany was never going to invade the US....so why did we attack them? Wasn't THAT switching up?

2. Of course it will, as all nations do. The difference is, people will not walk into our country and take it without a fight. Which is why we bring the fight to everyone else, to let them know we are not fucking around.

3. Not very likely. The US is still home to the best technology, military, athletes, entertainment and everything else that really matters. Every other country will always be second best.

People could never hate us as much as they do if they had not loved us immensely in the past. Don't ever forget that.

1. the country was not built on ww1 and ww2. no, germany never got the chance to invade us, but hitlers goal was world domination. japan DID attack the us, which is why we declared war.

2. that's great reasoning.... so you guys don't come and fuck me up, i'm just gonna fuck you up first, even though you haven't shown that you wanted to hurt me to begin with.

3. very likely. where is all our technology made? it's not in the us. silicon valley has moved to china my friend. china will soon be taking over japan economically, and the EU has already shown that they can outdo the US and NAFTA.

Oh, and it's a great thing that we have all these athletes and entertainment. for they will protect the country :dead: I guess you haven't heard about the DRAFT shit going on. Why would they need to reinstate the draft? oh yeah, no one wants to be in the military anymore.

 

[shep]

3. The technology is not being DEVELOPED there, which is all that matters. All the great inventions of world continue to be invented by the US: televisions, radios, VCR, internet, and so on.

Nobody? Maybe not snot-nosed whiners like you, but there are millions signed up right now, and millions more would sign up if not for the bad rep basic training gets.

technology not being developed there? where does most technology come from? the east. give me one television company that still manufactures in the US. i believe the last one to do so was Zenith, and they moved to mexico years ago.

and what happens when you export the jobs on making the shit, eventually, you lose the knowledge on how to make it.

oh yeah, basic training is what is keeping people from joining up :dead:

are you serious. that is the dumbest thing i have ever heard. maybe the fact that no one wants to go to a war that will never end is the reason they don't want to join up. i guarantee you, if it wasn't for the paid schooling that the army offers, millions of people would not be in the military (the current total of people in the miltary is 2,846,696 out of a total population of 293,326,070, that's roughly .9% of the US population. So it looks like 99.1% of the pop is snot nosed whiners

 

[WHITE DEVIL]

Basic training...bahaha

People don't want to sign up because they are being led by chimps like Bush.

 

[shep]

"Without paid schooling" is like saying everyone would quit their job unless they got paid money--you sound like a fucking dipshit.

People signed up for the military under Washington....under your beloved Clinton...under Bush....and will continue under Bush's successor.

Name one thing we outsourced overseas and forgot how to make? Or can you? Is this just another crack-induced theory that holds on weight or what?

no my friend, you are the one that sounds like a "fucking dipshit"

here is something you, i guess, are not comprhending, THERE IS A DROP IN PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING INTO THE MILITARY. why else would there be so much talk and debate about reinstating the draft.

cars, computer chips, just about anything. Sure we have these things in america, but these things are just assembled in america, if that. nothing is made from scratch and put together in america from start to finish, so by us not doing it, you in turn, get the "un-learning" process of forgetting the technology. Take cars for instance. You know how many diff parts there are to cars? you know where most of those parts come from, not the car companies, but the part companies, so find someone who works in an automobile plant that can build that part and apply it in the form of a car, build the entire car and it's parts. same thing is happening with microprocessors now. if we rely on the rest of the world for processors, and not build them ourselves and keep that skill alive, what happens say in 50 years when no one knows how to build one? we become reliant on the foreign nations... but oh yeah, you're a republican, outsourcing is good for the economy. :dead:

 

[shep]

^^ You still did not name one single product by name. All you did was run off at the mouth about your little crackpot theory.

The only reason there is even talk about a draft, is because the Democrats are trying to beat the Republicans to the punch. There really is no need to put in the draft right now, and the only thing going on right now is MAINTENANCE.

you're right, it's a crackpot theory, that any historian, economist, and pretty much anyone with a brain realizes.

oh, i didn't know the democrats were conspiring. silly me.

i didn't know you could die in maintenance work. oh, by maintenance i guess you mean fixing what bush fucked up

 

[shep]

i gave two instances of where it is happening now. and of course it hasn't fully happened yet, it has only been since japan's technological revolution that we even had to worry about jobs and technology being exported. it is happening as we speak.

 

[shep]

Nobody can afford to be a specialist these days....and if they are, and lose their job.....its all on them.

and yet, you just namesd several specialized jobs.

 

[shep]

^^ By specialist, i meant someone with only one skill, friend. As in, someone who can only work an assembly line, but doesn't have a degree in engineering; someone who types up papers or does customer service, but doesn't have an M.I.T.; and so on.

Jack-of-all-trades is what we need these days. Double majors are more prevalent than ever......

find a way to make sure college is equally available to EVERYONE and i will be all for that, but we all know in reality, it's not possible.

 

[shep]

^^ Want to bet?

My household has been single parent and under 40k for as far back as i can remember. And uncle sam pays 90% of my tuition while ive been living at home. Not only that, but i just applied to a university, and they will cover 100% of my expenses through loans and grants. If that isn't equal opportunity, i dont know what is.

The only problem people have is wanting to Buy and drive cars and eat out every night, and expecting to put it on the government credit card. Which is NOT going to happen.

go to any school that has been "left behind" (pun intended) and show me how students with an 8th grade reading lever (actually, majority of times lower than that) recieves the same opportunities as others. the fact that they are in poor areas (which are usually inhabited by minorities) means they have terrible education, which lowers their opportunity for equailty.

I can't wait to see this perfect america of yours where even the janitor has a phd

 

[shep]

Funding is not dependent on whether you have GED or Diploma, either are acceptable. There is no test to take before you get financial aid, and once you get financial aid, you can take up to one full year of remedial coursework. So put that in your pipe and smoke it, you dumb son of a bitch. Do you even GO to college? Or are you too rich to qualify for financial aid, so thats why you dont know what i'm talking about?

you must be the idiot. you have to take tests to get into colleges. for some its the SAT, others the ACT. these tests are not only culturly biased, but you can't expect someone with poor education to score well on either. yes, i go to college, yes i do have financial aid, and i grew up in one of the poorest parts of St. Louis. growing up there you saw maybe 5% of people going on to continuing education (most of which were trade schools) so quit talking like you know be, BITCH

 

[shep]

^^ Are you smoking rock cocaine or what? I am talking about community colleges & lower level universities (and other low-income tolerant schools) friend, not Ivy League schools.

Maybe the main problem here is, people would rather big up and rep the big city and be MISERABLE, than move to a suburban or rural area and seem "less cool" while they have better education and health care.

you are seriously and idiot. you say one thing about getting degrees, which you can't at community colleges (except for associates, which is about as good as a diploma from high school), then you talk about going to community colleges in order to get jobs thatt aren't specialized. you make no sense what so ever. if you are living in poor areas, how are you going to afford state universities? let alon get into one because of the poor education you recieved at the shitty school that was underfunded. (By the way, the average cost of tuition and what nor for a year is For the 2000-01 academic year, annual prices for undergraduate tuition, room, and board were estimated to be $7,621, it has no doubt gone up since then, i know mine has every semester, when minorities earn an average income of 26,000 a year, and whites earn 46,000, so a minority person, based on those figures, would be paying 29% of yearly salary to college, and only college)

big up and rep the city? someone needs to stop making crappy rap songs and live in the REAL world. people can't move into the burbs because the burbs are more expensive, not because they are less cool. and if you can barely afford to live in the city, how are you supposed to live in the burbs?

 

[shep]

hmmm... i don't go to college or recieve financial aid, huh?

"Dear MICHAEL,

We received your 2004-2005 Renewal Free Application for Federal Student Aid that you filed electronically through the Web.

Before we can continue processing your application information, we need your signature(s).
When you submitted your record to our Web site, we told you that we needed signatures to process your record. We asked you to print a paper signature page, or you told us you have a PIN and plan to use it to electronically sign your application..."

by the way, financial aid doesn't cover books.

you are still missing the point that financial aid doesn't mean shit if you can't even get into a college

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Fuck all financial aid. It should be a thing of the past.

100% free education and health care is the answer. Our society would advance so much faster.

 

[shep]

You dont need to be enrolled in college to file the FAFSA. And filing the FAFSA is no gurantee that you will receive any aid. And by the way, shithead, financial aid DOES cover books (along with tuition, room, board, transportation and even "personal expenses"). Try looking at a student expenses chart once in a while.

Getting into an Ivy league school is next to impossible; getting 'fresh' into a 4-year university is hard as well; getting into a community college is all but GURANTEED, and with that 2 year degree, you are indeed ABOVE the graduating high school student, even if they had a 4.0. Get a 4.0 in comm college, and yes, you are MORE LIKELY to be accepted to Harvard or Stanford.

The only people unable to get into college are people who do not apply themselves. ALL the money is there....EVERY PENNY. But if you don't want it...you'll never get it.

funny, i have to pay $500 a semester for books. my financial aid isn't covering it. when did i ever say anything about an ivy league school. you're pulling that out of your ass (along with everything else you say). here i go providing facts and figures again, and you bring up random other shit.

you want more proof i'm in college?

SMSU HRS ATT 83 SMSU GRD PTS 266
TR HRS ATT 14 TR GRD PTS 51

MAJORS YR/SEM ACTION MINORS YR/SEM ACTION
HIHI3 2003FA C

OK SPECIFIC GENERAL EDUCATION REQUIREMENTS FOR CERTIFICATION.
EARNED: 6 SUB-REQS
FA01 ENG110 3 B FA03 HST210 3 B
FA01 HST122 3 A SP02 COM115 3 A
SP02 PSY121 3 B SP02 PLS101 3 B
SP03 MTH135 3 B
FA02 BIO102 4 B
FA03 AST114 4 A

OK THIS REQUIREMENT WILL CHECK FOR TW0 DIFFERENT COURSE
CODES (THREE-LETTER COURSE PREFIXES) UNDER THE
HUMANITIES/CREATIVITY AND VISION PERSPECTIVES
OF GENERAL EDUCATION WHICH IS REQUIRED FOR STATE
TEACHER CERTIFICATION.
EARNED: 2 SUB-REQS
TR00 HST101 3 TA TR00 HST102 3 TA
FA02 REL100 3 A

OK UNIVERSITY-WIDE ADMISSION TO DEGREE PROGRAM REQUIREMENTS
ARE MET OR IN PROGRESS.
EARNED: 5 SUB-REQS
FA01 CIS101 2 B COMPUTERS FOR LRNG
SP02 COM115 3 A FUND/PUBLIC SPEAKG
FA01 ENG110 3 B WRITING I
SP03 MTH135 3 B COLLEGE ALGEBRA
FA02 PED100 2 B FITNESS FOR LIVING

SP02 COM115 3 A FUND/PUBLIC SPEAKG
FA03 AST114 4 A SURV OF ASTRONOMY
1) CULTURE AND SOCIETY/HUMANITIES PERSPECTIVE
TR00 HST101 3 TA WESTERN CIVILIZ I
TR00 HST102 3 TA WESTERN CIVILIZ II
+ 4) SELF-UNDERSTANDING/HUMANITIES PERSPECTIVE
FA02 REL100 3 A INTRO TO RELIGION

EARNED: 3 SUB-REQS
SP02 PLS101 3 B AM DEMOC & CITZNSH
FA01 HST122 3 A HIST US SINCE 1877
SP02 HST121 3 B HIST OF US TO 1877
SP04 GEP397 3 A

+ 1) COMPLETE THE FOLLOWING 5 COURSES.
12 HOURS ADDED 4 COURSES
IP---> 3 HOURS 1 COURSE
TR00 HST101 3 TA TR00 HST102 3 TA
FA01 HST122 3 A SP02 HST121 3 B
SP04 HST390 3 B
FA03 HST210 3 B SU04 HST397 3 RG

1) GENERAL ELECTIVES:
TR00 SPN101 3 TB TR00 SPN000 2 TB
SP03 MGT286 3 B SP03 CIS201 2 A
SP03 RIL231 3 B FA03 EDC150 1 B

that's just a portion of my degree audit

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Free education is a joke....my education right now is essentially free already, and my household income is roughly 40K. Up to 1500 of tuition is tax deductible (and tuition is usually 0 or very small, because financial aid targets it first), books are re-sellable....what else could one ask for?

Lucky you faggot. Not everybody has those nice benefits

 

[shep]

The Ivy league thing is you saying people cant even get into colleges, when you can get into a Comm College (and get financial aid) just as easily as filling out an application. GED, Diploma, it makes no difference.

take someone who is trying to get a job with a community college associates degree and someone with a degree from a 4 year college and see who gets the job.. people can't even get into colleges. Everyone knows that cc's are nothing more than High School part II. If you want a real education (which 99.9% of employers want you to have) you will have to go to a 4-year university. This could be any state school, not ivy league. and to poor people who NEVER recieved proper education to begin with, it would be just as hard to get into that 4 year college as it would be to get into the Ivy League. No child left behind leaves every child behind (unless you are white and/or rich)