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HERESY

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well shit, with all the lies and bullshit fed to us by the media thats exactly what they want us to think
Who are "they"? When you say "they" are you referring to the C.F.R and T.L.C owned media? Or referring to the american government? Could you please clarify something for me? Are you implying that "they" want us to believe that "they" are spreading peace and democracy in Iraq? If this is true your statements seem to agree with this idea.

on better terms why dont you explain what you think america is tryin to do over there, you may have a new outlook on it.
On better terms why don't you not answer a question with a question or spin this out of control. You made a statement that didn't seem right IMHO and I'm asking you to clarify. If you can't back your statements, you should probably refrain from making them until you have the skill and or mental capacity to validate them. At a later date I may indulge your query but right now I'm more concerned about your statements.

What was Iraq missing before the troops came in democracy and peace.
Well for starters Iraq was missing a basic infrastructure due to sanctions placed on them by the U.N. and america. These sanctions killed more people than Saddams regime and actually placed more power in his hands. As a result of these sanctions hundreds of thousands of people died (most women and children) due to lack/denial of proper medical, lack of humanitarian aide and water borne disease.

Now the dictator is down they can try to establish a democracy,
1. Is a democracy a necessity in Iraq? You may think it's a great idea and it may look good on paper but the Iraqi's (along with several other mid east countries) have a different culture and idealogy that is often compromised because of the quest for "democracy".

2. Who placed the dictator in power?

fuck if i know its gonna work those fanatics got stone heads,
...??? :confused:

and for peace i know thats a justification for any war situation we get into
IMHO americas war is not justified nor is it in accordance to laws mandated by the U.N.

Look at the above statement you made and compare it to this:

No peace has ever been achieved with war.
IMHO these two statements are a contradiction can you explain them?


but i dougt if you look at the statistics of iraqs killed since sadams been out and the stats of iraqs killed yearly when he was in, were probably wreakin as much havoc as he was in the recent years(im not talkin about the mass genocides that happened years ago)
Can you please clarify your statement because I'm having a hard time understanding what you're trying to convey. What "mass genocides" took place years ago?!?

that has nothing to do with what i was talking about, if you would have relaxed and read my post i was refering to WAR, were did you come to the conclution that i was talkin about personal confrontation

It has EVERYTHING to do with what you were talking about. To be honest I gave you too much credit here. I thought you would be able to grasp the analogy and apply it to a grand scale. Your looking at war from a textbook standpoint but you fail to see americas "war" is no different. Americas invasion is just like a man invading your home is illegal. America looting, plundering, destroying buildings, violating iraqi culture, decimating artifacts and bidding for billion dollar contracts is no different from the man who flips over your tables, flips up your matress, knocks over your drawers and plunders your home for his monetary gain. America placing sanctions on iraq, bombing iraq, killing innocent children, women, handicap, elderly and mistreating p.o.w's bears a strong resemblance to the man who seeks to rape your wife and kids while you watch in horror.

Can you see the larger picture now? Lets get the textbook definition of war:


A)

1. A state of open, armed, often prolonged conflict carried on between nations, states, or parties.

2. The period of such conflict.
The techniques and procedures of war; military science.


B)


1. A condition of active antagonism or contention: a war of words; a price war.

2. A concerted effort or campaign to combat or put an end to something considered injurious: the war against acid rain.


You argue that these concepts/principles do not apply to a home invasion when your families life and your life are not at stake? O.K. :rolleyes:

WAR buddy, theres a big difference between a mass amount of people tryin to control a situation while using fear and violence, and a single person trying to protect the ones that mean most to him
Besides numbers and weapons what's the difference between america invading a country based on greed and someone invading your home based on greed? Both situations place the occupant in a hostile environment and both have the potential to lead to death. They both use fear/intimidation and violence but, america also uses economic sanctions and uses its techniques to a higher degree.

No difference.

i can sense the anger in your post , seems like your tryin to prove something, so please enlightent me
You can sense anger in my post? LOL! Which part of my previous posts exhibit anger? I simply quoted you and asked you to explain your statement. I also quoted you and said I disagreed with more of your statement.

Heres my post:

?!?!?!?! Huh????? Trying to spread peace and democracy in the dirty mid east? Why do you call the mid east dirty? How is america spreading peace and democracy in the mid east? Please explain your statement.

I disagree. Yes the power of love is better than the love of power but sometimes you have to fight. Sometimes you must defend yourself in order to survive and maintain YOUR peace. If a man were to come into your home with the intent to loot and plunder would you attempt to remove him with force or lay down and allow him to rape your wife and children in front of you? War and peace have a common ground. What is it? Desire. Desire of/for what? The desire to LIVE. The desire to live life as one should or how they BELIEVE they should.


Where are the hints of anger?!?!?! Can you answer the questions posed to you?

1. Why do you call the mid east dirty?

2. How is america spreading peace and democracy in the mid east?



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damn i didnt think youd disect every single sentence of my post, and frankly i could really care less about this situation, if i felt strongly id probably feel inclined to answer your numerous questions. First off half of the shit that i was writing about isnt what i belive or want to belive its what im interpreting from the whole deal, so honestly i dont know a huge amount ,well definetly not as much as you do.This is not me spilling my personal diaries on middle east reconstruction.From past bush speechs and dont ask me to find a link,and time and date,and whole speech in text form, hes stated that US will try to establish a democracy over there(something they were lacking).FUCK IF I KNOW IF ITS GONNA WORK, honestly i dont think it would, it would be an americanized version of what ever the fuck , but its not what i want or think will happen its what the government is telling the media to tell me. As for the whole war situation you can bring out dictionaries and text book definitions, i dont think a country at war is anything like a family at war, jus my point of view. im not tryin to persuade you to think like me nor do i care for you to futher enlighten me on how similar they are, your taking a micro and macro idea and trying to show the distinct similarities.It seems that you would really like me to adress why i think the the mid-east is dirty, probably so you could backlash on my extreme prejuduce and lack of respect for global people yada yada, make what you will homie ill let you use your imagination...or not. ill give you all the credit in this argument ,honestly i could give a fuck less about this war situation ,i dont see any good coming out of it, you win.
 
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EDJ said:
^I AgREE 151%. I DON'T THINK ABOUT IT TWICE. THE PEOPLE WHO SIgNED UP FOR SERVICE WERE JUST SUCCERS WHO LET 9-11 DICTATE THEY CHOICE. IT'S LIKE BANgIN' OR BEIN' A FAg, YOU MADE THAT CHOICE, NOW LIVE WITH THE CONDITIONS. TO ME IT'S NOT EVEN A REAL WAR.

Not suckers at all kid. Some people need to get paid or want to join for their country. Its nothing like banging or being a fag at all. Dont think about it you should be, I do my frined who is here now may get shipped back. I dont want to see my friend go back to that shit hole. Like I said close our borders. Open them for trade only and let the other countries fight each other. This is the society we live you cant close your mind to allow only specific things in.
 

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damn i didnt think youd disect every single sentence of my post

I suggest you take Edj's advice.


@EDJ welcome back pimpin. My schedule has slowed down for quite a bit and I know I been lagging on that. I got you covered.


Back@DeceptaKhan:


and frankly i could really care less about this situation, if i felt strongly id probably feel inclined to answer your numerous questions.

Your posts betray you but, I won't go into it.


From past bush speechs and dont ask me to find a link,and time and date,and whole speech in text form, hes stated that US will try to establish a democracy over there(something they were lacking).FUCK IF I KNOW IF ITS GONNA WORK, honestly i dont think it would, it would be an americanized version of what ever the fuck , but its not what i want or think will happen its what the government is telling the media to tell me.

IMHO you accept what the government/media promotes as truth.

As for the whole war situation you can bring out dictionaries and text book definitions
You made me :)

i dont think a country at war is anything like a family at war, jus my point of view. im not tryin to persuade you to think like me nor do i care for you to futher enlighten me on how similar they are, your taking a micro and macro idea and trying to show the distinct similarities.It seems that you would really like me to adress why i think the the mid-east is dirty
At the end of the day they are the same. Someone is invading your space and attempting to disrupt your life and desire to live. Spin it anyway you want man it's the same thing. Yes I would like for you to address why you think the mid-east is dirty. Hell I'd also like you to bring something to the table and validate your point but so far you've given me nothing. I'd also like to own 20 s.s.l's and end world hunger but ALL of this is wishful thinking. If you address it great if you don't great.


probably so you could backlash on my extreme prejuduce and lack of respect for global people yada yada, make what you will homie ill let you use your imagination...or not.

Those are YOUR words and ideas not mine. You never took the time to answer my question so would it be WRONG if I came to an assessment that does injustice to your character? I have no need to form an opinion as of yet so I decline to accept your offer to use my imagination or not.


ill give you all the credit in this argument ,honestly i could give a fuck less about this war situation ,i dont see any good coming out of it, you win.

B)


1. A condition of active antagonism or contention: a war of words; a price war.



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HERESY,
WHAT UP CUZZ? DON'T TRIP. I gOT MY SHIT UP AND RUNNIN'. I FINALLY gOT THE STUDIO OPERATIONAL AND USED THE BOOTH FOR THE FIRST TIME. TOO BAD THAT'S ALL IT WILL BE. I'M MOVIN' CAUSE BITCHES IS TRIPPIN'. NOW I HAVE TO BUILD ANOTHA STUDIO. AIN'T THAT BOUT A BITCH? BUT I AIN'T ON HERE FOR LONg. JUST THE BITCH THAT'S KICCIN' ME OUT gOT HER DAUgHTER TO MOVE IN AND FINALLY gOT THE INTERNET AND I'M JUST USIN' AND ABUSIN' IT TIL IT'S TIME FOR ME TO BOUNCE.

ROB S4,

YOU STRESSED, "Not suckers at all kid."

FIFTY FIRST OF ALL,
I'M A gROWN ASS MAN, NOT NO PUNK ASS CHILD OR BILLY gOAT. SO PLEASE DON'T ADDRESS ME ASS SUCH
XCONDLY,
WHAT'S UP WITH THE PREDOMINANT EAST COAST SLANg? THAT SHIT IS gARBAgE. RE-EVALUATE YOUR SLANgUAgE AND RECOgNIZE WHERE YOU AT.


3RDLY,
THEY ARE SUCCERS FOR PUTTIN' THEMSELVES IN HARMS WAY UNNECESSARILY.


THEN YOU STRESSED, "Some people need to get paid or want to join for their country."

AND THEY MADE THAT CHOICE. NOW THEY HAVE TO LIVE WITH THE CONDITIONS OR DIE WITH THE CONDITIONS.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Its nothing like banging or being a fag at all."

HOW YOU FIgURE? I TOLD YOU HOW IT IS SIMILAR. SO YOU SAYIN' THAT IF YOU MAKE A CHOICE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIVE WITH THAT CHOICE, IT'S REPERCUSSIONS AND CONSEQUENCES?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Dont think about it you should be, I do my frined who is here now may get shipped back."

CAUSE THEY MADE THE CHOICE TO ENLIST. THAT'S THEY PROBLEM. WHY SHOULD I BE SYMPATHETIC?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "I dont want to see my friend go back to that shit hole."

SHOULD OF TOLD THEM THAT BEFORE THEY ENLISTED. gOOD FRIEND YOU ARE.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Like I said close our borders."

YOU SOUND LIKE A PARANOID WHITEBOY. WHY LIVE IN FEAR? I BELIEVE THE OPPOSITE SHOULD HAPPEN. ALL OUR BORDERS SHOULD BE OPENED AND DO AWAY WITH IMMIgRATION. IT'S JUST A WASTE OF MONEY. MEXICANS ARE ALREADY HERE.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Open them for trade only and let the other countries fight each other."

WHO THE FUK MEXICO OR CANADA FIgHTIN'? LOL IT SEEMS LIKE YOU THE TUK YOUR TAIL IN TYPE.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "This is the society we live you cant close your mind to allow only specific things in."

SO WHY EVEN HAVE BORDERS? BUT YOU SOUND LIKE YOU CONTRADICTIN' YOURSELF AgAIN. YOU SAY TO NOT BE CLOSE-MINDED AND YOU SOUND CLOSE-MINDED WITH YOUR STATEMENTS.
 
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"Your posts betray you but, I won't go into it."heresy

how can a post betray me lololo haha j/k xoxo:ermm:

"IMHO you accept what the government/media promotes as truth. "heresy

Of course i belive what the media tells me ,every damn sputtering word they tell me,i thought youd beable to pick up on how i didnt trust anything the media told me but i forgot to write it down,and that probably posed a question since you wouldnt be able to quote it :confused:

"At the end of the day they are the same. Someone is invading your space and attempting to disrupt your life and desire to live. Spin it anyway you want man it's the same thing. "heresy

Is that a fact?I belive you have the right to have your opinions and i myself.i dont understand why your trying to conclude your opinion on me,like you tryin to prove god exist, you got your views on violence and i have mine which seems to be out of whack in your words,haha,lol,j/k,lol

oh and thanks for lookin out EDJ, ill have to keep that in mind next time ,being a rookie and all xoxo lolo j/k:lick: :ermm:
 

HERESY

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how can a post betray me lololo haha j/k xoxo

Easy. By contradicting yourself.


Of course i belive what the media tells me ,every damn sputtering word they tell me,i thought youd beable to pick up on how i didnt trust anything the media told me but i forgot to write it down,and that probably posed a question since you wouldnt be able to quote it

I couldn't pick up anything because you're not an articulate person who has the ability to convey thoughts with words. If I were you, I'd probably do less time talking and typing and more time reading.


Is that a fact?I belive you have the right to have your opinions and i myself.i dont understand why your trying to conclude your opinion on me

I'm not. I simply choose to explain my opinion and have the ability to elaborate on WHY I hold such an opinion. You on the other hand have not attempted to explain your opinions which leads me to believe you're trying to save face or you like typing just for the hell of it. :dead:


like you tryin to prove god exist

How is god relevent to the current discussion? :confused: Have I ever forced god on you or tried to steer you one way or the other? No.


you got your views on violence and i have mine which seems to be out of whack in your words,haha,lol,j/k,lol

The majority of what you're typing is out of whack.
 
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LMAO @ the 'xoxo'

yeah i know a guy who told me about a kid from school who had a sniper bullet enter his cheek and exit his neck. Doods fine now and theyre about to send him back. So i guess i thought about it that day.

I always love reading the :H: and EDJ posts

I think they are not protecting us or bringing freedom. Theyre making our freedom worse becuase of the precautions the government takes now to censor material and trail its own citizens. Theyre putting us at risk for creating an even more demonic image.

Also the Mid East isnt dirty. A lot of my friends are from thier or thier parents were born there. All of them love this country but have many positive things to say about the mid east. For instance my girl who just moved back to Lebanon moved because she likes it in Lebanon more then in the US. Also she does not come from money, so dont think she grew up there different than any other middle class mid-east-ian which would affect her perception.
 
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EDJ said:
HERESY,
WHAT UP CUZZ? DON'T TRIP. I gOT MY SHIT UP AND RUNNIN'. I FINALLY gOT THE STUDIO OPERATIONAL AND USED THE BOOTH FOR THE FIRST TIME. TOO BAD THAT'S ALL IT WILL BE. I'M MOVIN' CAUSE BITCHES IS TRIPPIN'. NOW I HAVE TO BUILD ANOTHA STUDIO. AIN'T THAT BOUT A BITCH? BUT I AIN'T ON HERE FOR LONg. JUST THE BITCH THAT'S KICCIN' ME OUT gOT HER DAUgHTER TO MOVE IN AND FINALLY gOT THE INTERNET AND I'M JUST USIN' AND ABUSIN' IT TIL IT'S TIME FOR ME TO BOUNCE.

ROB S4,

YOU STRESSED, "Not suckers at all kid."

FIFTY FIRST OF ALL,
I'M A gROWN ASS MAN, NOT NO PUNK ASS CHILD OR BILLY gOAT. SO PLEASE DON'T ADDRESS ME ASS SUCH
XCONDLY,
WHAT'S UP WITH THE PREDOMINANT EAST COAST SLANg? THAT SHIT IS gARBAgE. RE-EVALUATE YOUR SLANgUAgE AND RECOgNIZE WHERE YOU AT.


3RDLY,
THEY ARE SUCCERS FOR PUTTIN' THEMSELVES IN HARMS WAY UNNECESSARILY.


THEN YOU STRESSED, "Some people need to get paid or want to join for their country."

AND THEY MADE THAT CHOICE. NOW THEY HAVE TO LIVE WITH THE CONDITIONS OR DIE WITH THE CONDITIONS.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Its nothing like banging or being a fag at all."

HOW YOU FIgURE? I TOLD YOU HOW IT IS SIMILAR. SO YOU SAYIN' THAT IF YOU MAKE A CHOICE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIVE WITH THAT CHOICE, IT'S REPERCUSSIONS AND CONSEQUENCES?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Dont think about it you should be, I do my frined who is here now may get shipped back."

CAUSE THEY MADE THE CHOICE TO ENLIST. THAT'S THEY PROBLEM. WHY SHOULD I BE SYMPATHETIC?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "I dont want to see my friend go back to that shit hole."

SHOULD OF TOLD THEM THAT BEFORE THEY ENLISTED. gOOD FRIEND YOU ARE.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Like I said close our borders."

YOU SOUND LIKE A PARANOID WHITEBOY. WHY LIVE IN FEAR? I BELIEVE THE OPPOSITE SHOULD HAPPEN. ALL OUR BORDERS SHOULD BE OPENED AND DO AWAY WITH IMMIgRATION. IT'S JUST A WASTE OF MONEY. MEXICANS ARE ALREADY HERE.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Open them for trade only and let the other countries fight each other."

WHO THE FUK MEXICO OR CANADA FIgHTIN'? LOL IT SEEMS LIKE YOU THE TUK YOUR TAIL IN TYPE.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "This is the society we live you cant close your mind to allow only specific things in."

SO WHY EVEN HAVE BORDERS? BUT YOU SOUND LIKE YOU CONTRADICTIN' YOURSELF AgAIN. YOU SAY TO NOT BE CLOSE-MINDED AND YOU SOUND CLOSE-MINDED WITH YOUR STATEMENTS.

First off dont use that racist whiteboy shit its real old now kid. Second just because your the turn and run type dont classify me with your way of life. You been here for what 3-4 some odd years and your going on 40 or something like that. What the fuck have you done to help society besides make racial distinctions? END.
 
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Obviously you know my answer, i am living this shit day in and day out. there is shiot that sets in more times then not. Sometimes i wont go on a mission ofr 5-6 days, on post and just like work around post. When im out, u know we are rolling in 4 up armored humvees and i am manning a machine gun. When i wake up in the morning i hear over the loud speaker at the mosk near us ALLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH AKBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR (and the rest of the call to prayer) and hear that 5 times a day. Also it sets in on an attack, or hearing one of my brothers in arms died or was wounded, or uncovering mass graves from the saddam rigime or insurgents. I dunno its almost sureal out here and has to be experianced and is hard to explain. I live this shit every day and i will never forget it. The thing that i feel bad about is i only got 1 year over here. These guys have to live it over here, with insurgents blowing up car bombs in crowded streets where their children go to play. I wish i could do more and kill every single insurgent. However it will take time. I jsut hate what saddam has forced upon these people.
 

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ROBS4,

I AIN'T EVEN gONNA VALIDATE YOUR TOPIC CHANgIN' ASS WITH A RESPONSE. LEARN HOW TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. YOU DON'T KNOW ME, MY LIFE, MY STRUggLES, MY PAIN(S), MY DILEMNA'S, ETC, ETC......, SO DO WHAT YOU DO.

CONTAgIOIUS LOAK,
SELLOUTS TO THEY PEOPLE.
 
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It makes me sad, but I think about it more than once a day. Not the fact that we're at war, but that it is senseless. It, being violence and death. I've seen some horrible pictures of wounded children, innocents and civilians. You hear about the atrocities committed on those people by their own leader, and it's sad. And then you see what the US goes in and does. I get confused because the media mixes messages and I don't get a true view of what is happening.

Saddam killed people, the US kills people. People die. When I tried to convey to someone that the US doesn't belong there, they come back at me with how horrible a tyrant Saddam was and how he tortured and killed his own people, and was a danger to countries around his. I'm under the opinion that the US doesn't belong there, but I also hate seeing innocents killed. But the military takes down innocents, because they're mixed in with those who are fighting against the US military. And if the US had never stepped in, would more people have died?

I get mixed answers where ever I ask questions. Media, government, other people, debates.. No matter what I read, there's someone stepping up and saying it's not true. I really don't want to come off as uneducated or that I don't read the news. I just have questions and the sources are always being debunked by the opposing sources.
 
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The funniest thing is we hate the killing and violence as one country to another but it seems to go on with no punishment, but then theres a huge problem when theres murder inside the very country which is justifying thier killing of other countries peoples. Like a military uniform gives you permission to kill.