how do y'all celebrate "easter"
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@ deebo gracias for the words, it is hard without her. The scene was cool, I got there kinda late but there were a grip of homies that I did not get to network with. my jefe was there with a grip of vet's. you know they talk a little with me but I dont really talk to them since my jefe is the one they want to talk with. Damn the hoes out there were looking hella good. except it was really cloudy and cool.
@ already dead, I wish I were there when you pass on to the next life. bet you you gonna be" god help me''
@ already dead, I wish I were there when you pass on to the next life. bet you you gonna be" god help me''
Dr.Levay, spirit guide his soul, is dead. The Satan of the bible believes in god, jsus, etc. Whatever you want to call him Beelzebub, Atrayus, Lucifer, he is destined to lose in the bible. If Satanists followed this Satan, this interpretation of Satan, it would be a pointless religion. As a member of the church, I can assure you I have nothing wrong.
Being an ex-christian myself, I could probly school many of you on christianity. In any case, Antioch to answer your question, jsus did not define a christian as someone who just believes in god and jsus. "Be a light amongst the world" "Turn the other cheek" "Let your good deeds shine before others". Before I left christianity altogether I ascribed to the views of a growing movement in the xtian community that believed that one must live like jsus to be with jsus. The basis of this belief statement is the gospel of mark, in which jsus stressed living your life as a positive force in the world, as opposed to the other gospels where different aspects were more stressed such as the chronology of jsus' life, performed miracles, etc.
Contrary to popular belief, it was mark, not paul, who wrote most of the n*w t*stam*nt, and thus more creedence is given to his view on xt. jsus did not stress just belief as a means of achieving heaven. One must progress, and do well to the people and the world around you, such that people see your life and say to themselves that you are set apart from them. If one is supposedly xtian, yet does not become a better person in the course of his life, does not make a conscious effort to do good to the world around them, one will not reach heaven, according to the 'life' theory of christianity, as opposed to the 'say jsus is your bla bla' and you will go to heaven theory. This is how I say one could be a xtian by good works.
Take the example of Ghandi. xtians believe their god is just, right? Ghandi grew up in a place that did not support mainstream christianity. He was likely not preached the 'good news', yet because of the life he led, a xst-like life, the quality of living improved for thousands or millions of people. Would a xtain believe would Ghandi be denied access to heaven, simply because he did not claim to be a xtian? He led a life closer to jsus than many xtians will ever, a xst-like life, that made the world a better place, he 'shone a light of goodness', through his belief in non-violence he triumphed over a military and helped the lives of his while nation. So would you believe god is going to turn him away at the gates? That's where I come from with the 'xst-like life' example, that some people lead lives closer to the teachings of jsus than many xtians.
Anyhow, I'm digressing. The Church of Satan does not believe in the bible, we do not follow an angel of heaven that was cast out. We believe all humans are living in suffering, a life of torture, a 'hell' if you will. We worship Satan, but we believe Satan is the only God, a force all around us, that flows through everything.
We are our own Gods. The power we hold to change our reality, and to reach a state of power through release of rules and hindrances in our own lives, that is the power we seek. We dont believe anything about xtianity is true.
Why do we call ourselves Satanists? Yes, it is true, Satan is a term that came from the bible, but in all world literature, there is no force more expressive of our beliefs than the Satan from the christian bible. Add this to the fact that Satanism came out of America, where the dominant repressive religion is christianity, and thats where we get the name 'Satanism' from. Many of our symbols and ideas are taken from bible verses, but many are not. Since Satanism was a religion created out of the beliefs of just one man, it was a mix of concepts and ideas that held to a vision.
If Satanism came from China, for example, the name might be derived from an 'evil' force in Buddhism, or if it came from the Middle East, the name could come from a subversive entity in Islam. It's all a matter of source and perspective.
Worship the Satan from the xtian bible? Hah. What a laugh. Who the fuck would want to jump on a falling ship like that? "Hey, lets all worship an entity that is doomed to fail"
That is not Satanism at all.
Being an ex-christian myself, I could probly school many of you on christianity. In any case, Antioch to answer your question, jsus did not define a christian as someone who just believes in god and jsus. "Be a light amongst the world" "Turn the other cheek" "Let your good deeds shine before others". Before I left christianity altogether I ascribed to the views of a growing movement in the xtian community that believed that one must live like jsus to be with jsus. The basis of this belief statement is the gospel of mark, in which jsus stressed living your life as a positive force in the world, as opposed to the other gospels where different aspects were more stressed such as the chronology of jsus' life, performed miracles, etc.
Contrary to popular belief, it was mark, not paul, who wrote most of the n*w t*stam*nt, and thus more creedence is given to his view on xt. jsus did not stress just belief as a means of achieving heaven. One must progress, and do well to the people and the world around you, such that people see your life and say to themselves that you are set apart from them. If one is supposedly xtian, yet does not become a better person in the course of his life, does not make a conscious effort to do good to the world around them, one will not reach heaven, according to the 'life' theory of christianity, as opposed to the 'say jsus is your bla bla' and you will go to heaven theory. This is how I say one could be a xtian by good works.
Take the example of Ghandi. xtians believe their god is just, right? Ghandi grew up in a place that did not support mainstream christianity. He was likely not preached the 'good news', yet because of the life he led, a xst-like life, the quality of living improved for thousands or millions of people. Would a xtain believe would Ghandi be denied access to heaven, simply because he did not claim to be a xtian? He led a life closer to jsus than many xtians will ever, a xst-like life, that made the world a better place, he 'shone a light of goodness', through his belief in non-violence he triumphed over a military and helped the lives of his while nation. So would you believe god is going to turn him away at the gates? That's where I come from with the 'xst-like life' example, that some people lead lives closer to the teachings of jsus than many xtians.
Anyhow, I'm digressing. The Church of Satan does not believe in the bible, we do not follow an angel of heaven that was cast out. We believe all humans are living in suffering, a life of torture, a 'hell' if you will. We worship Satan, but we believe Satan is the only God, a force all around us, that flows through everything.
We are our own Gods. The power we hold to change our reality, and to reach a state of power through release of rules and hindrances in our own lives, that is the power we seek. We dont believe anything about xtianity is true.
Why do we call ourselves Satanists? Yes, it is true, Satan is a term that came from the bible, but in all world literature, there is no force more expressive of our beliefs than the Satan from the christian bible. Add this to the fact that Satanism came out of America, where the dominant repressive religion is christianity, and thats where we get the name 'Satanism' from. Many of our symbols and ideas are taken from bible verses, but many are not. Since Satanism was a religion created out of the beliefs of just one man, it was a mix of concepts and ideas that held to a vision.
If Satanism came from China, for example, the name might be derived from an 'evil' force in Buddhism, or if it came from the Middle East, the name could come from a subversive entity in Islam. It's all a matter of source and perspective.
Worship the Satan from the xtian bible? Hah. What a laugh. Who the fuck would want to jump on a falling ship like that? "Hey, lets all worship an entity that is doomed to fail"
That is not Satanism at all.
this is wrong. i have a feeling you were a catholic, correct me if i were wrong. but what Jesus said is, "except a man be saved, he will not see the kingdom of heaven." john 3:3
it says in the bible, you cannot, and will not go to heaven unless you are saved, or born again. it also says, that after you are born again, if you sin, you have to ask God forgiveness, and if you are sincere, you will be forgiven. in a sense, you are already forgiven, because Jesus lived a sinless life, and died on the cross for our sins, but you should humble yourself in front of God and ask for forgiveness. you can't be a Christian by works. it says in the bible, we are saved by faith, not by works!!!!!!!!!! you can't get into heaven just by being a good person.
and by the way, i wouldn't have been bent out of shape had you just said, i don't celebrate resurrection day, because i am a satanist, but look at what you said. i have every right to be pissed about that. this is not hell, you will find out. satan is not your friend, you are a pawn in his chess game, just one soul taken away from God. you are nothing to him once you are dead, and since you all claim to be "dead" you are nothing now.
it says in the bible, you cannot, and will not go to heaven unless you are saved, or born again. it also says, that after you are born again, if you sin, you have to ask God forgiveness, and if you are sincere, you will be forgiven. in a sense, you are already forgiven, because Jesus lived a sinless life, and died on the cross for our sins, but you should humble yourself in front of God and ask for forgiveness. you can't be a Christian by works. it says in the bible, we are saved by faith, not by works!!!!!!!!!! you can't get into heaven just by being a good person.
and by the way, i wouldn't have been bent out of shape had you just said, i don't celebrate resurrection day, because i am a satanist, but look at what you said. i have every right to be pissed about that. this is not hell, you will find out. satan is not your friend, you are a pawn in his chess game, just one soul taken away from God. you are nothing to him once you are dead, and since you all claim to be "dead" you are nothing now.
The name is taken from the bible. The concepts are not. The 'Satan' of the bible is most expressive of the original ideas of Dr. Levay, that one that people should do whatever the fuck they want. This is in direct opposition to xtianity, that says that you must lead a life of restriction and torment vis-a-vis the laws of god and the bible. Satanism is a belief in freedom, and thus we are in Opposition to xtianity, as we are in opposition to some interpretations of Islam, and any other religion that forces a strict moral code. Satanists most often do not frown on mysticism, ancient and indigenous religions, and the like, for even if they state rules of how to live, they are based on a very un-organized and earthly church structure, unlike xtianity.
Chrishogg is running on a bare-bones interpretation of the bible. If you look closely at the books of Matthew and John, salvation by believing simply in christ is stressed as the way to get to heaven. But examination of the books of Luke and Mark show jesus stressing more on your life and the way you live. Mark actually wrote more of the new testament than Paul, considering he wrote the majority of Acts, as well as the book of Mark, and thus, he is the main author of the bible, and given critical examination of his books, it leads to one that could make a conclusion that not just saying youre a christian and believing in god gets you to heaven. That you must be a changed person, and your life must progress as far as your understanding of god and the way you act.
Yes jsus said "u gotta be saved", but also in the bible it says that "god is a just god" and "he uses knowledge and wisdom to rule his people", etc etc. Well, think about someone born in Pakistan. They are most likely Muslim. They will never hear about christianity in their lives, except on TV or radio as an enemy religion, the devil, etc. Will god send all of them to hell? Keep in mind they never had a chance to accept the christian god. If your god is just, why should they go to hell? When I was a christian, I basically came up with a theory that god applies a simple good/evil scale to people who had no chance to ever become a christian, for example if they made right choices in their lives, if they were a good influence in the world.
And the specific passage is "not by works, lest any man should boast". So paul said basically you can't work on a point system to get into heaven, so that leads to the conclusion that it's about your heart. But, if your heart is in tune with christianity, wouldn't you do good works? Wouldn't you go out and help people and try to do what jsus did?
Studying up on the Bible I came upon a theory that basically mirrored this. If god was just, would he sent people in the jungle to hell for not believing in him? If a man murders 500 people, then calls himself a christian, and kills another 500, will he go to heaven? Yes, in the bible it says god forgives, and he believes in god, but I came to the conclusion that you would have to live differently as well to be accepted into heaven. This is similiar to the parable of the rich man. jsus asks him if he has faith, he says he does, if he has broken the ten commandments, he says he hasn't, and then jsus asks him to sell all he has. jsus knew the man had faith in him, and jsus knew the man did right in his life, but he had to 'change' himself and progress in his beliefs. He couldn't be saved by just faith, he had to live a life like jsus.
And I know y'all thinkin this dude is a phony why would he be choppin it up like this about christianity. Basically I dont shy away from christianity like most Satanists. I don't see it as 'wrong' or 'evil' like most Satanists. It's just a different view, and I'm willing to share what I've learned about it, even if I don't agree.
Chrishogg is running on a bare-bones interpretation of the bible. If you look closely at the books of Matthew and John, salvation by believing simply in christ is stressed as the way to get to heaven. But examination of the books of Luke and Mark show jesus stressing more on your life and the way you live. Mark actually wrote more of the new testament than Paul, considering he wrote the majority of Acts, as well as the book of Mark, and thus, he is the main author of the bible, and given critical examination of his books, it leads to one that could make a conclusion that not just saying youre a christian and believing in god gets you to heaven. That you must be a changed person, and your life must progress as far as your understanding of god and the way you act.
Yes jsus said "u gotta be saved", but also in the bible it says that "god is a just god" and "he uses knowledge and wisdom to rule his people", etc etc. Well, think about someone born in Pakistan. They are most likely Muslim. They will never hear about christianity in their lives, except on TV or radio as an enemy religion, the devil, etc. Will god send all of them to hell? Keep in mind they never had a chance to accept the christian god. If your god is just, why should they go to hell? When I was a christian, I basically came up with a theory that god applies a simple good/evil scale to people who had no chance to ever become a christian, for example if they made right choices in their lives, if they were a good influence in the world.
And the specific passage is "not by works, lest any man should boast". So paul said basically you can't work on a point system to get into heaven, so that leads to the conclusion that it's about your heart. But, if your heart is in tune with christianity, wouldn't you do good works? Wouldn't you go out and help people and try to do what jsus did?
Studying up on the Bible I came upon a theory that basically mirrored this. If god was just, would he sent people in the jungle to hell for not believing in him? If a man murders 500 people, then calls himself a christian, and kills another 500, will he go to heaven? Yes, in the bible it says god forgives, and he believes in god, but I came to the conclusion that you would have to live differently as well to be accepted into heaven. This is similiar to the parable of the rich man. jsus asks him if he has faith, he says he does, if he has broken the ten commandments, he says he hasn't, and then jsus asks him to sell all he has. jsus knew the man had faith in him, and jsus knew the man did right in his life, but he had to 'change' himself and progress in his beliefs. He couldn't be saved by just faith, he had to live a life like jsus.
And I know y'all thinkin this dude is a phony why would he be choppin it up like this about christianity. Basically I dont shy away from christianity like most Satanists. I don't see it as 'wrong' or 'evil' like most Satanists. It's just a different view, and I'm willing to share what I've learned about it, even if I don't agree.
i hear some of his arguements, it's just they are left of the bulls eye. it's good to see that you have actually studied the bible. but there is nothing wrong with changing the way you live, i hear where you are coming from now, i misunderstood what you were saying. i thought you meant that you can get into heaven just by being a "good person" which is not true. but like i said, you can't get into heaven without being saved, but you can also "lose" you salvation if you don't make the attempt to live holy. there is nothing wrong with the way that Jesus lived, and i honestly don't see what your angle is on how living a life like Jesus is so bad, we should be so lucky. Granted as a youngsta, most people want to drugs and be with a million broads, but as a person who has lived a pretty bad life, and turned it around....it is definately so much better with God in my life. nothing against you, but i think it is pretty foolish to have been a Christian and turned your back on God,but hey, that is your decision. and you said that you don't read the bible because satan doesn't "win" in God's bible, you really think that God would allow a lie to be in the bible? just the same as the most beautiful angel turned his back on God and will be punished for an eternity, that person who tried to corrupt the word of God would be punished. i'll admit that i still have alot to learn about the word of God, but i'll tell you this much, he truly is the way!!!!!!
and about your question about how people in other countries will never see the word of God or maybe never see a Christian......that is the whole purpose of missionaries. i don't know why things like that happen, i am not God, but surely there is a reason for it. if you look at books in the bible, it speaks of how righteous people turned their backs on God, and they and their descendents for years to come have somewhat of a hex on their life, maybe this is an example. maybe a righteous person in those parts of the world cursed God and in turn their families were damned. i can't call it, it's not my job to. things will unfold and happen in God's will, that i am sure of. it is said that Jesus will not return to earth until the whole world has known his name, and everyday people are introduced to God through missionary work, it will happen....it just takes time. thanks for explaining your theory/beliefs more in depth.
and about your question about how people in other countries will never see the word of God or maybe never see a Christian......that is the whole purpose of missionaries. i don't know why things like that happen, i am not God, but surely there is a reason for it. if you look at books in the bible, it speaks of how righteous people turned their backs on God, and they and their descendents for years to come have somewhat of a hex on their life, maybe this is an example. maybe a righteous person in those parts of the world cursed God and in turn their families were damned. i can't call it, it's not my job to. things will unfold and happen in God's will, that i am sure of. it is said that Jesus will not return to earth until the whole world has known his name, and everyday people are introduced to God through missionary work, it will happen....it just takes time. thanks for explaining your theory/beliefs more in depth.
sjn, how I can say I was a christian and then in the next sentence say I never believed in god from day one does contradict, but I will clarify by saying 'when i was a young', I did as any youngster does and believed exactly what I was told by my parents and community.
When you grow out of your youngster phase is when real beliefs begin. Like when you kick it with family who bangs, homeboys who claim, at first you might get involved in some beef, you might sport the color, but you aren't necessarily official yet. The second shit gets serious, a homeboy passes or gets laid out hard, you get jumped or cut, get got, whatever, that's the point when you say "Fuck this bullshit" or "Time to knuckle up" and make the decision.
The same way it is with beliefs and religion. Something hits you, one day you wake up, and you make a choice. From that point in my time, I realized that I did not believe in jesus or god one bit, had to find what felt cool with me. Just like the bullshit of hangin around with older homeboys in the life as a youngster doesn't really matter, it's not something you have to keep doing, your beliefs aren't really set until the shit goes down and you make a choice.
Up to that point, I don't think shit counts.
When you grow out of your youngster phase is when real beliefs begin. Like when you kick it with family who bangs, homeboys who claim, at first you might get involved in some beef, you might sport the color, but you aren't necessarily official yet. The second shit gets serious, a homeboy passes or gets laid out hard, you get jumped or cut, get got, whatever, that's the point when you say "Fuck this bullshit" or "Time to knuckle up" and make the decision.
The same way it is with beliefs and religion. Something hits you, one day you wake up, and you make a choice. From that point in my time, I realized that I did not believe in jesus or god one bit, had to find what felt cool with me. Just like the bullshit of hangin around with older homeboys in the life as a youngster doesn't really matter, it's not something you have to keep doing, your beliefs aren't really set until the shit goes down and you make a choice.
Up to that point, I don't think shit counts.