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there were no military planes up in the sky looking for the other planes that they knew were off course?

there was no attempt to shoot any of the planes down by missiles on the ground?

bush didn't look suprised when told, his face didn't even change, and he went back to doing the photo op knowing that their were more planes missing in the air?

at first I didn't wanna believe the gov had anything to do with this but as time goes on and none of the questions are answered it makes the whole situation suspect as hell...

continue with your questions......
 
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These conspiracy theories on "bush let it happen" are getting really old.

I dislike Bush and his gang more than the average Joe Know-Nothing, but i don't think they would have willingly let these bombings take place to gain justification for their own political agenda.

That whole bombing of the Maine or gulf of Ton Kin shit is one thing, this is totally different. If for no other reason than the US is the world Hegemonic power and has no reason to go that far just to go to war. They could have invaded and wiped out Afghanistan just because they wanted to, they didn't need the 9-11 shit to do that.


To me it's more realistic to wonder if the US really did shoot down that plane that went down in Penn. rather than these passengers were heroes shit. And far more realistic than they let these planes crash into shit.

So i guess my question is why do people invent or insist upon elaborate conspiracy theories to justify actions that have simple and far more realistic causes and answers? I suspect i know the answer, but if anyone wants to take a shot at it go for it.
 
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If he shoots it down its just gonna crash into other buildings and people around, its not like if you shoot the plane it just disapears. And its not really safe to have alot of planes flying around close to eachother. But oh well, FUCK George Bush I think he knew about it.

If Al Gore was president do you think it would have happened?

Why didnt it happen when Bill Clinton was president? Why all of a sudden right when Bush came in did it happen?
 
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I dislike Bush and his gang more than the average Joe Know-Nothing, but i don't think they would have willingly let these bombings take place to gain justification for their own political agenda.
Well for what its worth it brought is ratings as a president wwwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyy up. I dont think he let it happen but i dont think he tried to stop it, but he did know about it.
 
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drankedout said:

If Al Gore was president do you think it would have happened?
Yes, and the responce would have been relatively the same.

drankedout said:

Why didnt it happen when Bill Clinton was president? Why all of a sudden right when Bush came in did it happen?
Right place at the right time. Or maybe because Clinton didn't deal with Bin Ladin when he had the chance. Or maybe because Clinton made things worse. Probably all of the above.

Basic point is Bin Ladin doesn't care who runs the US, democrat or republican, he hates them and they hate him. But something like 9-11 takes alot of work and planning it could have very well been a responce to something Clinton did and it just took em a long time to get it all put together so that Bush just happened to be pres. when it all went down.


drankedout said:
I dont think he let it happen but i dont think he tried to stop it, but he did know about it.
If he knew about it, but did not try to stop it, then wouldn't that mean he let it happen?
 

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So i guess my question is why do people invent or insist upon elaborate conspiracy theories to justify actions that have simple and far more realistic causes and answers?
CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN OR ANSWER THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS FOR ME?

1.WHERE ARE THE BLACK BOXES?

2.WHERE IS AIRPORT SECURITY FOOTAGE OF HIJACKERS AT *DIFFERENT* LOCATIONS ENTERING THE AIRPORTS,GOING THROUGH THE METAL DETECTORS AND ACTUALLY BOARDING THE PLANES? CAN I FIND THIS FOOTAGE ONLINE?

3.WHY WERE LARGE AMOUNTS OF MONEY TRANSFERRED BETWEEN THE BIN LADEN ACCOUNT AND THE BUSH ACCOUNT (HANDLED BY THE KARLYLE CORP)?

4.ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH *WHO* OWNED THE WTC BUILDINGS OR WHO FUNDED THE CONSTRUCTION?

5.ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH HEGELIAN DIALECT?

I dislike Bush and his gang more than the average Joe Know-Nothing, but i don't think they would have willingly let these bombings take place to gain justification for their own political agenda.
SEE QUESTION NUMBER 5.

If for no other reason than the US is the world Hegemonic power and has no reason to go that far just to go to war. They could have invaded and wiped out Afghanistan just because they wanted to, they didn't need the 9-11 shit to do that.
SEE QUESTION NUMBER 5.


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HERESY said:
CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN OR ANSWER THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS FOR ME?
I will this time, but for future reference i can do without the caps and really don't read or reply to posts that are in all caps. It's a pain in the ass and its annoying as fuck.

HERESY said:
1.WHERE ARE THE BLACK BOXES?


I would assume that the black boxes from the WTC and Pentagon crashes were destroyed. As for the one in Penn, ask the FAA.

HERESY said:
2.WHERE IS AIRPORT SECURITY FOOTAGE OF HIJACKERS AT *DIFFERENT* LOCATIONS ENTERING THE AIRPORTS,GOING THROUGH THE METAL DETECTORS AND ACTUALLY BOARDING THE PLANES? CAN I FIND THIS FOOTAGE ONLINE?
I don't know, there is this site www.google.com you might want to start your search there.

HERESY said:

3.WHY WERE LARGE AMOUNTS OF MONEY TRANSFERRED BETWEEN THE BIN LADEN ACCOUNT AND THE BUSH ACCOUNT (HANDLED BY THE KARLYLE CORP)?
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Probably in a similar place as the milllions of dollars that the U.S. government gave the Taliban before 9-11. Probably someone's pocket or in the form of some kind of weapons.


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4.ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH *WHO* OWNED THE WTC BUILDINGS OR WHO FUNDED THE CONSTRUCTION?
Yes

HERESY said:
5.ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH HEGELIAN DIALECT?
:rolleyes: No i'm a just socialist that has never heard of or is familiar with Hegel’s theories. :rolleyes:
 
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CB, type was designed to be read in lower case and some people dont understand.

THE PLANES:
We knew what planes were aloft ans where they were. We landed them and we (maybe) sent planes to the one that was left over Pennsylvania. We didnt need to fly after any others cause we knew they were accounted for and obeying orders to land as soon as possible.

SECOND, IF THE PRESIDENT IS SHOWN PANICING, what do you think the public will do???? He should keep the coolest head of all.
 

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I will this time, but for future reference i can do without the caps and really don't read or reply to posts that are in all caps. It's a pain in the ass and its annoying as fuck.
I *DONT* ADHERE TO NET RULES. IF I CAP I CAP. IF YOU WOULD LIKE FOR ME TO DROP THE CAPS SAY SO. TELLING ME WHAT YOU CAN DO WITHOUT IS NOT RELEVENT. HOWEVER SINCE YOU ARE ANIMATE ABOUT IT I WILL LOWER THE CAPS FOR SAKE OF ARGUEMENT.
I would assume that the black boxes from the WTC and Pentagon crashes were destroyed. As for the one in Penn, ask the FAA.
are you familiar with black box design? how would they be destroyed?
I don't know, there is this site www.google.com you might want to start your search there.
i have tried that search engine. i've also tried several others. not one of them has provided me with the info i seek. i have also contacted news stations in regards to this. i simply get the run around. have you saw these security tapes? if so when and how?
Probably in a similar place as the milllions of dollars that the U.S. government gave the Taliban before 9-11. Probably someone's pocket or in the form of some kind of weapons.
i asked *why* the money was transferred. not where the money went. can you explain to the board about the person or persons who owned the wtc buildings or funded construction?
No i'm a just socialist that has never heard of or is familiar with Hegel’s theories.
you may very well be a socialist. can you explain hegelain dialect to the board? thankyou.

If for no other reason than the US is the world Hegemonic power and has no reason to go that far just to go to war. They could have invaded and wiped out Afghanistan just because they wanted to, they didn't need the 9-11 shit to do that.
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I dislike Bush and his gang more than the average Joe Know-Nothing, but i don't think they would have willingly let these bombings take place to gain justification for their own political agenda.
after explaining hegelian dialect can you explain how/why new laws were created after 9-11 that *restricts* the rights of americans?

thankyou

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They could have invaded and wiped out Afghanistan just because they wanted to, they didn't need the 9-11 shit to do that.
Not true. There would have been a second revolution if the US did that. Invade another country without justification? Made up and driven by government controlled media outlets or not, the feds always need a "reason" to justify a "war".

Only with heavy public support will a war sustain life.
 

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Deep Thought said:
Not true. There would have been a second revolution if the US did that. Invade another country without justification? Made up and driven by government controlled media outlets or not, the feds always need a "reason" to justify a "war".

Only with heavy public support will a war sustain life.
this is why i asked him question #5.

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DAMN, I wish I could remember this european book that dealt with these fishy topics, it was a no.1 book over in europe for a few months, so it should be pretty to find if ya put in the effort that i don't want to. but the book had some interesting points like this one with the pentagon where there wasn't ant photographic proof that a plane actually hit it??? kind of fishy i thought after looking at the pictures and not seeing any thing that resmbled a plane...could it be the biggest conspiricy to start a war that the U.S. has concieved??? your guess is as good as mine.
 
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HERESY said:
are you familiar with black box design? how would they be destroyed?
Yes all the armor plating and fireproofing and all that. You crash a plane into a building creating a fire hot enough to melt that shit and then a building that big dropping on it i can see them being destroyed. It's also possible they weren't, but are you gunna find it in all the rubble? You know what i bet one of those free masons picked it up and is using it for some kind of ritual in his local Masonic temple right now.

HERESY said:
have you saw these security tapes? if so when and how?
Nope, i haven't seen them either. But you've got a good point with that. In a way.

HERESY said:
i asked *why* the money was transferred. not where the money went.
Cuz there has been a long-standing relationship between the Bushes and the US government with Islamic Fascists. And to be cliché money ain't a thang when it comes to a few million for the US at least.


HERESY said:
can you explain to the board about the person or persons who owned the wtc buildings or funded construction?
They can look it up or watch a film about the WTC or whatever they want, but i don't have the time to post up the history of the WTC, its not to hard to find, people can do it if they are interested.


HERESY said:
can you explain hegelain dialect to the board? thankyou.
This is another thing people can research on their own, not to hard to find. But is long and my time is too valuable. But i expect you're looking for something along the lines that:

to enforce something, you create a problem, you create a fear of that problem, and then you present a solution. The solution will be something you were going to do anyway, but now that the problem is there, the masses accept the solution because they feel they have no other alternative.

What you were lookin for?


HERESY said:
how/why new laws were created after 9-11 that *restricts* the rights of americans?
Well see there is this thing called Congress . . . But people can look up how all that works too.

The just if it is there are numerous reactionary right-wing semi and full fledged fascist elements with positions of power in the U.S. government and they used 9-11 as their jump off to created "the patriot act" and all those other bullshit bills to keep an eye on the populace and to repress dissent for what is to come.



Deep Thought said:
Not true. There would have been a second revolution if the US did that. Invade another country without justification? Made up and driven by government controlled media outlets or not, the feds always need a "reason" to justify a "war".

Only with heavy public support will a war sustain life.
How is that not true?

Justification does not have to be substantial. Most of the U.S. interventions over the past several decades have lacked any real justification. Shit most in the country's entire history of intervention has lacked any real justification.

They kick around some shit to the people to justify their imperialism, but it's all still bullshit.

Granada, Panama, whatever you like you can come up with an excuse to do anything.

And i'm interested in this second revolution thing, you mean in the U.S.? Is this true? Where would this revolution come from? The unorganized masses? The Bush supporters? Maybe the soccer moms? Please. They like to see bombs drop on CNN just as much as everyone else, kick em a good excuse and they'll go with it for a decent amount of time.
 
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HERESY said:
can you please define "conspiracy theory"?

Using the term very loosely for all these secret societies of 10 WASP Men control the world or Bush is an alien or the planes on 9-11 were remote controlled. Shit like that. 90%(atleast) of the things i see you post i would class under this term.


 

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Yes all the armor plating and fireproofing and all that. You crash a plane into a building creating a fire hot enough to melt that shit and then a building that big dropping on it i can see them being destroyed. It's also possible they weren't, but are you gunna find it in all the rubble? You know what i bet one of those free masons picked it up and is using it for some kind of ritual in his local Masonic temple right now.
1.how is freemasonry or masons relevent to this discussion?

2.they found bodies in the rubble. why not find the black box?

3.where is the black box of the plane that hit the pentagram oops i meant pentagon?
Nope, i haven't seen them either. But you've got a good point with that. In a way.
why is it that no one i have EVER asked has directed me to this footage. no search engine,no web site,no human. why havent we been shown the footage?
Cuz there has been a long-standing relationship between the Bushes and the US government with Islamic Fascists. And to be cliché money ain't a thang when it comes to a few million for the US at least.
by your own words america AND the bush family has had a long standing relationship with islamic fascists. that being said how can you make this statement:

why do people invent or insist upon elaborate conspiracy theories to justify actions that have simple and far more realistic causes and answers?
1.we have no black boxes

2.we have no security footage of teh hijackers

3.we have NO evidence to say that a man named "osama bin laden" did these attacks.

4.we DO know that the KARLYLE corp handled a VERY LARGE sum of money between the bush and bin laden family 2 weeks before 9-11 and one week prior to 9-11

5.we DO know that osamas family members helped fun ARBUSTO ENERGY (a bush owned company).

6.we have video tapes that show different looking osama bin ladens. why is it that people who speak the mid eastern dialects (such as arabic and aramaic) have stated that the tapes contain nonsense and words that cant be heard?
They can look it up or watch a film about the WTC or whatever they want, but i don't have the time to post up the history of the WTC, its not to hard to find, people can do it if they are interested.
if you dont know its ok. just say so.
This is another thing people can research on their own, not to hard to find. But is long and my time is too valuable.
so why are you partaking in this thread?
What you were lookin for?
yes and no.
to enforce something, you create a problem, you create a fear of that problem, and then you present a solution. The solution will be something you were going to do anyway, but now that the problem is there, the masses accept the solution because they feel they have no other alternative.
1.what alternative have we had besides osama bin laden?

2.would it be possible to implement "T.I.P.S",the patriot bill and various other terrorist laws and acts if 9-11 had not occured?

Well see there is this thing called Congress . . . But people can look up how all that works too.
i know about congress. however im asking YOU to explain yourself and your views for people on the board. this is something that you arent very good at.......
The just if it is there are numerous reactionary right-wing semi and full fledged fascist elements with positions of power in the U.S. government and they used 9-11 as their jump off to created "the patriot act" and all those other bullshit bills to keep an eye on the populace and to repress dissent for what is to come.
its funny how one would blame the right wingers or anyone else.......yet at the end of the day ALL of these people hold membership with the council on foreign relations and the trilaterals......."to keep an eye on the populace"?????? why does america need to keep an eye on its on population? america wouldnt do such a thing. you sound like one of those conspiracy guys.....yeah thats what you sound like. the american government has no reason to watch its own people. the american government has no need to endorse mondex or things of that nature........


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Using the term very loosely for all these secret societies of 10 WASP Men control the world or Bush is an alien or the planes on 9-11 were remote controlled. Shit like that. 90%(atleast) of the things i see you post i would class under this term.


i have never posted anything about bush being an alien. i dont believe in aliens. demons yes aliens no way. secondly these so called "secret societies" publish membership lists and various members are open about it. btw your president and his father are "bonesmen". secondly i dont believe "ten men" control the world. nor have i ever posted such a theory.

now considering that you would consider 90% of the things i post as a "conspiracy" why dont explain the council on foreign relations,the wolfenshones and the world conservation bank.....

someone else already did.........

no "conspiracy" buddy. everything "THEY" do is in the open.

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