HITLER - The rise of evil

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Mcleanhatch said:
ya, a mexican in germany what a perfect fit. smarty

the german government wanted the mexican army to invade america during ww1 and ww2. the standing mexican government during revoultion in the early 1900s government had german weapons.


SMARTY :cheeky:
 
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ya know
being a jew(of ancestory and blood) the holocaust shit really really hurts me, i mean, my feelings get hurt just thinking about it, no lie, i'm not mr tough guy, sometimes shit hurts me too like everyone else

i hate hitler
but a holocaust survivor once said if she could say or ask hitler anything now she said "Repent" that's all, not i hope you die, not why, just she wanted him to repent for his wrong doings...man i wish i had her humility...

like i said "dude i'm not spacin, this jew is amazin
go back in time to find Adolf and put Eight In(bullets that is"
 
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^^^I feel you. My grandfather fought in WWII. And he had a picture of somebody else in our family (I think one of his cousins), from Austria or Hungary that was fighting for the Nazis. It has to be difficult knowing that you're out there fighting people that could be your own flesh and blood.
 
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YOUNGMOE said:
ya know
being a jew(of ancestory and blood) the holocaust shit really really hurts me, i mean, my feelings get hurt just thinking about it, no lie, i'm not mr tough guy, sometimes shit hurts me too like everyone else

i hate hitler
but a holocaust survivor once said if she could say or ask hitler anything now she said "Repent" that's all, not i hope you die, not why, just she wanted him to repent for his wrong doings...man i wish i had her humility...

like i said "dude i'm not spacin, this jew is amazin
go back in time to find Adolf and put Eight In(bullets that is"
I feel ya man. That shit must bring out some crazy emotions in some people.

I wonder, if native americans feel the same way when they look at white people or when they think of some of the american leaders that slaughtered thousands of indians. Or when cambodians look at Vietnamese folks or think of Pol Pot.

Its fucked up to realize that it didnt start or end with Hitler.
 
May 8, 2002
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YOuNg WiNo said:
the german government wanted the mexican army to invade america during ww1 and ww2. the standing mexican government during revoultion in the early 1900s government had german weapons.


SMARTY :cheeky:
ya, the note was sent by Zimmerman right???

http://www.disappearing-inc.com/Z/zimmermantelegram.html

Cyclopedia Cryptologia
Cyclopedia Cryptologia copyright 2001-2003 by Ray Dillinger

The Zimmerman Telegram

The Zimmerman Telegram was a message from the German Foreign Minister, Arthur Zimmerman, to the German Embassy in Mexico City, sent in January of 1917. It stated, briefly, German intentions to begin unrestricted submarine warfare against England while trying to keep the United States neutral, and proposed an alliance of Germany and Mexico against the United States if the US should be drawn into the war. It offered, among other things, generous financial support and the territories of New Mexico, Arizona, and Texas. California, evidently, was to be given to the Japanese, who were also being called upon to ally with Germany. The Mexican government was asked to mediate with the Japanese on behalf of Germany.

The Zimmerman telegram, in one of Germany's best codes, was intercepted in England and decrypted. Oddly, the Germans had worked out an agreement with the Americans that enabled them to use American diplomatic channels to send their messages, in their own code, to their operatives in Mexico. Thus, the message would be sent to Washington, then forwarded on to Mexico City.

The English, after deciphering the message, realized that this would be sufficient provocation to get the United States into the war, but did not want to reveal their capabilities to intercept and decrypt Germany's new diplomatic code, or their knowledge of the American diplomatic channel for German messages. If they had publicly made the accusation, German diplomatic codes would have been changed, the Americans would have known that their diplomatic correspondence was being monitored, and the English would have lost two very important sources of intelligence.

It being only shortly after Pershing's expedition into Mexico, anti-american sentiment was high among the mexicans. In Europe, World War I was dragging into its third year and in America, Wilson had just been reelected on the slogan "He kept us out of war". The Lusitania, an American civilian ship carrying many noncombatants and civilian passengers, but also military supplies bound for England, had been sunk a few months before.

The primary hope of the English was that the Americans were allowing the Germans to use American Diplomatic channels but were also, like themselves, able to decipher the German codes. In this event, the English would need to do nothing except wait for the Americans to notice the message and enter the war. However, if that turned out not to be the case, then what should they do?

The Englishmen hit upon a plan, which was to make it look as though the Americans had intercepted the telegram as it traversed further communications links in North America and Mexico. The message had to be forwarded from the American embassy to the German embassy in Washington, and from the German embassy in Washington to the German embassy in Mexico City. England and America owned the transatlantic cables at the time, so since the English had cut off german access to them, this type of circuitous route had become necessary.

If the English could could procure a copy of the message as it appeared on one of the other legs of its journey -- with the different date, serial number, etc, so that the Germans would know a point of interception other than London, then the message could be delivered to the Americans without compromising England's intelligence.

The English managed to actually do this; one of their agents actually walked in and took a copy of the message directly from the western Union office where it was sent -- a truly remarkable feat of timing and subterfuge. The English still did not reveal the message, thinking that the US would be drawn into the war anyway as the German blockade of England and France caused it to lose valuable international markets.

However, finally the message was disclosed to the Americans on February 17 1917, at the American embassy in London. Once the Americans were convinced of its genuine nature, they spent several hours working out how best to explain its existence, interception, and decipherment. Eventually they told the US government the half-truth that an English spy operating in Mexico had intercepted the message and sent it back to London, where it was decrypted. The code used by the Germans in Mexico was a more obsolete code, one which the Germans already knew the English could decrypt. Thus even if the Germans discovered this cover story, it wouln't reveal English capabilities that the Germans didn't already know about. To the general public, however, no information was given except a statement that the US Government had solid evidence that the telegram was genuine.

However, Germany, Japan, and Mexico were all steadfast in denying it. Rumors and doubt abounded. Eventually Arthur Zimmerman, the German Foreign Minister who had sent the message in the first place, simply acknowledged it. "I cannot deny it", he said. "It is true." American public opinion swung around wildly, in two scant months going from isolationism to entering the war on the side of the allies. On april 2, Wilson asked the US congress to enter the war.

That is why the Zimmerman telegram is one of the most famous cryptograms in existence, and why the United States entered World War I when it did, just in time to save the English from destruction.
 
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Re: Re: HITLER - The rise of evil

miggidy said:
Bush family funded Adolf Hitler
13.05.2003 [14:40]

Have you ever wondered how Adolph Hitler, a mediocre painter of Austrian origin, transformed himself into Germany's Fuhrer during the 1930s and 1940s?

The Nazi phenomenon was no historical coincidence, and far less a philosophical whim made real by just one man. Nazism had its followers, many of them exceptionally wealthy, veritable alchemists of the financial world back then.

According to research carried out over the last few years, Wall Street bankers (amongst others) financed Hitler's rise to power whilst making large profits at the same time. What is yet still more deplorable is the fact that relatives of the current U.S. president were amongst this group of individuals.

U.S. authors Webster G. Tarpley and Anton Cheitkin reveal in the recently published George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography that Prescott Bush (George W. Bush's grandfather) and other directors of the Union Banking Company (UBC) were Nazi collaborators.

The book relates how in 1922, when national socialism was emerging. Railroad impresario W. Averell Harriman traveled to Berlin and interviewed the Thyssen family with a view to founding a German-U.S. bank. The Thyssens were already behind-the-scenes owners of several financial institutions that allowed them to transfer their money from Germany to the Netherlands and from there onto the United States.

The banks in question were the August Thyssen Bank whose headquarters were located in Berlin; the Bank voor Handel (Netherlands) and the Union Banking Corporation (New York). At the beginning of the 1920s, one of the members of this family, Fritz Thyssen, author of "I Paid Hitler" contributed some $25,000 USD to the recently formed German National Socialist Workers Party, becoming the prime and most important financier of the Fuhrer in his ascent to power.

According to the book's authors, Thyssen was fascinated by Hitler, citing his talent as a public speaker and his ability to lead the masses. However, what impressed him most was the order that prevailed at his rallies and the almost military discipline of his followers.

And so, in 1931 Thyssen joined the Nazi party, becoming one of the most powerful members of the Nazi war machine.

At that time, the magnate presided over the German Steel Trust, a steel industry consortium founded by Clarence Dillon, one of Wall Street's most influential men. One of Dillon's most trustworthy collaborators was Samuel Bush: Prescott's father, George Senior's grandfather and great-grandfather of the current U.S. president George W. Bush.

In 1923, Harriman and the Thyssens decided to set up a bank and appointed George Herbert Walker. Prescott's father-in-law, as president. Later, in 1926, they established the Union Banking Corporation (UBC) with Prescott Bush at the helm. That same year, he was also named vice president and partner at Brown Brothers Harriman. Both firms allowed the Thyssens to send money to the United States from Germany via the Netherlands.

U.S. economist Victor Thorn has noted that although a large number of other corporations aided the Nazis (such as Standard Oil and Rockefeller's Chase Bank, as well as U.S. automobile manufacturers) Prescott Bush's interests were much more profound and sinister.

Thorn adds that UBC became a secret channel to protect Nazi capital leaving Germany for the United States via the Netherlands. When the Nazis needed to retrieve their funds, Brown Brothers Harriman sent them directly to Germany.

In this way, UBC received money from the Netherlands and Brown Brothers Harriman sent it back. And who was on the executive of both of these companies? Prescott Bush himself, the Nazis' first money launderer.

In their book, Tarpley and Cheitkin explain that in this way a significant part of the Bush family's financial base is related to supporting and aiding Adolph Hitler. Therefore, the current U.S. president, just like his father (former CIA director, vice president and president) reached the peak of the U.S. political hierarchy thanks to his great-grandfather and grandfather and generally his entire family, who financially aided and encouraged the Nazis.

Some time later, in October 1942, the U.S. authorities confiscated Nazi bank funds from the New York UBC, whose then president was Prescott. The firm was condemned as a financial and commercial collaborator with the enemy and all its assets were seized.

Later, the U.S. government also ordered the seizure of the assets of a further two leading financial agencies directed by Prescott through the accounts of the Harriman banking institution: the Holland-America Trading Corporation (a U.S.-Dutch commercial firm) and the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation.

Then on November 11, 1942, an embargo was imposed on the Silesian-American Corporation. Another firm headed by Bush and Walker, under the same Trading with the Enemy Act.

However, in 1951, the embargo was lifted and the enterprising businessman recovered some $1.5 million USD, earmarked for new investments largely to swell the Bush family's patrimony.

To this should be added a resume of files belonging to Dutch and U.S. information services confirming the direct links between Prescott Bush, the German Thyssen family and the blood money of a group of rich U.S. families from the Second World War.

Tarpley and Cheitkin affirm that the great financial crash of 1929-1931 affected the United States, Germany and Britain, weakening their respective governments. At the same time, Prescott Bush became even more diligent, still more desirous of doing everything that was necessary to safeguard his place in the world. It was during this crisis that some members of the Anglo-U.S wealthy class supported the installation of Hitler's regime in Germany.

To sum up, the authors categorically state that the Bush family's fortune arose as a result of its unconditional support for Adolph Hitler's political project.

The UBC, under Prescott Bush's direction and with the long-term cooperation of Fritz Thyssen's German Steel Trust participated in the emergence, preparation and financing of the Nazi war machine through the manufacture of armored vehicles, fighter planes, guns and explosives.

The Bush family's habit of dominating territories and wealth is nothing new. Their fascist genes were generated during the 1930s. Therefore defining the occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq and the threats to other countries as a continuance of blitzkreig offensives as fascist is no blunder. Neither is convening an anti-fascist front is a rhetorical exercise.


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President Roosevelt provoked the attack, knew about it in advance and covered up his failure to warn the Hawaiian commanders. FDR needed the attack to sucker Hitler to declare war, since the public and Congress were overwhelmingly against entering the war in Europe. It was his backdoor to war.

The US was warned by, at least, the governments of Britain, Netherlands, Australia, Peru, Korea and the Soviet Union that a surprise attack on Pearl Harbor was coming. Most, if not all, Japanese codes were broken. FDR and Marshall and others knew the attack was coming, allowed it and covered up their knowledge. It's significant that both the the chief of OP-20-G Safford and Friedman of Army SIS, the two people in the world that knew what we decoded, said that FDR knew Pearl Harbor was going to be attacked.

Just curious, but what do u mean the US was warned by the government of Korea??? At the time we were still annexed by the japanese and we had no government. Just curious.

And about the statements of natives and the jews and how they feel towards the people responsible for their attempted genocide, i feel that. To this day the japanese government will not admit any wrongdoings they committed in Korea. To this day they maintain that they were "helping" our nation and they have a hella bad case of "revisionist history".
 
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Jae iLL said:
Just curious, but what do u mean the US was warned by the government of Korea???
A Korean Agent named Kilsoo Haan, decoded Japanese information which uncovered the plans for Pearl Harbor. He contacted numerous people in the State Department and got no where.

All the other countries I listed also had solid intelligence of the attack and contacted the US.