HITLER - The rise of evil

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Did anybody see this film on TV? It was a two part series on CBS on Sun and Tues. I thought it wasnt that bad for a TV movie.
I found the second part very interesting considering they actually showed how Hitler, just weeks after being ellected, burnt down the Reichstag and blamed it on Terrorists. Shortly after that he passed a bill, simular to the Patriot Act, that violated their constitution.
Does anyone else see a connection here?
 
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that image that you posted guaranteed was made by someone outside the goverment.......so who gives a fuck?? i dont, cause ive been hearing about this comparing USA to Nazi Germany way to fuckin long, get your head outta ur ass please
 
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Bush family funded Adolf Hitler
13.05.2003 [14:40]

Have you ever wondered how Adolph Hitler, a mediocre painter of Austrian origin, transformed himself into Germany's Fuhrer during the 1930s and 1940s?

The Nazi phenomenon was no historical coincidence, and far less a philosophical whim made real by just one man. Nazism had its followers, many of them exceptionally wealthy, veritable alchemists of the financial world back then.

According to research carried out over the last few years, Wall Street bankers (amongst others) financed Hitler's rise to power whilst making large profits at the same time. What is yet still more deplorable is the fact that relatives of the current U.S. president were amongst this group of individuals.

U.S. authors Webster G. Tarpley and Anton Cheitkin reveal in the recently published George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography that Prescott Bush (George W. Bush's grandfather) and other directors of the Union Banking Company (UBC) were Nazi collaborators.

The book relates how in 1922, when national socialism was emerging. Railroad impresario W. Averell Harriman traveled to Berlin and interviewed the Thyssen family with a view to founding a German-U.S. bank. The Thyssens were already behind-the-scenes owners of several financial institutions that allowed them to transfer their money from Germany to the Netherlands and from there onto the United States.

The banks in question were the August Thyssen Bank whose headquarters were located in Berlin; the Bank voor Handel (Netherlands) and the Union Banking Corporation (New York). At the beginning of the 1920s, one of the members of this family, Fritz Thyssen, author of "I Paid Hitler" contributed some $25,000 USD to the recently formed German National Socialist Workers Party, becoming the prime and most important financier of the Fuhrer in his ascent to power.

According to the book's authors, Thyssen was fascinated by Hitler, citing his talent as a public speaker and his ability to lead the masses. However, what impressed him most was the order that prevailed at his rallies and the almost military discipline of his followers.

And so, in 1931 Thyssen joined the Nazi party, becoming one of the most powerful members of the Nazi war machine.

At that time, the magnate presided over the German Steel Trust, a steel industry consortium founded by Clarence Dillon, one of Wall Street's most influential men. One of Dillon's most trustworthy collaborators was Samuel Bush: Prescott's father, George Senior's grandfather and great-grandfather of the current U.S. president George W. Bush.

In 1923, Harriman and the Thyssens decided to set up a bank and appointed George Herbert Walker. Prescott's father-in-law, as president. Later, in 1926, they established the Union Banking Corporation (UBC) with Prescott Bush at the helm. That same year, he was also named vice president and partner at Brown Brothers Harriman. Both firms allowed the Thyssens to send money to the United States from Germany via the Netherlands.

U.S. economist Victor Thorn has noted that although a large number of other corporations aided the Nazis (such as Standard Oil and Rockefeller's Chase Bank, as well as U.S. automobile manufacturers) Prescott Bush's interests were much more profound and sinister.

Thorn adds that UBC became a secret channel to protect Nazi capital leaving Germany for the United States via the Netherlands. When the Nazis needed to retrieve their funds, Brown Brothers Harriman sent them directly to Germany.

In this way, UBC received money from the Netherlands and Brown Brothers Harriman sent it back. And who was on the executive of both of these companies? Prescott Bush himself, the Nazis' first money launderer.

In their book, Tarpley and Cheitkin explain that in this way a significant part of the Bush family's financial base is related to supporting and aiding Adolph Hitler. Therefore, the current U.S. president, just like his father (former CIA director, vice president and president) reached the peak of the U.S. political hierarchy thanks to his great-grandfather and grandfather and generally his entire family, who financially aided and encouraged the Nazis.

Some time later, in October 1942, the U.S. authorities confiscated Nazi bank funds from the New York UBC, whose then president was Prescott. The firm was condemned as a financial and commercial collaborator with the enemy and all its assets were seized.

Later, the U.S. government also ordered the seizure of the assets of a further two leading financial agencies directed by Prescott through the accounts of the Harriman banking institution: the Holland-America Trading Corporation (a U.S.-Dutch commercial firm) and the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation.

Then on November 11, 1942, an embargo was imposed on the Silesian-American Corporation. Another firm headed by Bush and Walker, under the same Trading with the Enemy Act.

However, in 1951, the embargo was lifted and the enterprising businessman recovered some $1.5 million USD, earmarked for new investments largely to swell the Bush family's patrimony.

To this should be added a resume of files belonging to Dutch and U.S. information services confirming the direct links between Prescott Bush, the German Thyssen family and the blood money of a group of rich U.S. families from the Second World War.

Tarpley and Cheitkin affirm that the great financial crash of 1929-1931 affected the United States, Germany and Britain, weakening their respective governments. At the same time, Prescott Bush became even more diligent, still more desirous of doing everything that was necessary to safeguard his place in the world. It was during this crisis that some members of the Anglo-U.S wealthy class supported the installation of Hitler's regime in Germany.

To sum up, the authors categorically state that the Bush family's fortune arose as a result of its unconditional support for Adolph Hitler's political project.

The UBC, under Prescott Bush's direction and with the long-term cooperation of Fritz Thyssen's German Steel Trust participated in the emergence, preparation and financing of the Nazi war machine through the manufacture of armored vehicles, fighter planes, guns and explosives.

The Bush family's habit of dominating territories and wealth is nothing new. Their fascist genes were generated during the 1930s. Therefore defining the occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq and the threats to other countries as a continuance of blitzkreig offensives as fascist is no blunder. Neither is convening an anti-fascist front is a rhetorical exercise.


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2-0-Sixx said:
Did anybody see this film on TV? It was a two part series on CBS on Sun and Tues. I thought it wasnt that bad for a TV movie.
I found the second part very interesting considering they actually showed how Hitler, just weeks after being ellected, burnt down the Reichstag and blamed it on Terrorists. Shortly after that he passed a bill, simular to the Patriot Act, that violated their constitution.
Does anyone else see a connection here?
Good points.
Hitler passed some gun control laws right before he struck.
Pretty clever if you ask me....

Oh yeah, did you know Hitler was gay?
Kubachec was his "partner"....
 
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Good points.
Hitler passed some gun control laws right before he struck.
Pretty clever if you ask me....

Oh yeah, did you know Hitler was gay?
Kubachec was his "partner"....
I never heard hitler was gay...I've heard hundreds of stories about hitler that probably are not true, like he only had one testicle, he was half jewish, and not to mention all the disgusting sex fetishes. I think people cant imagine a human being causing so much terror on this planet so they make up stories and rumors to make that human seem a lot less human. But the fact is, he was human and it shows us what people are capable of.
 
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off the subject kinda but intresting at the same time, but my sociology teacher was talking about World War 2, when Franklin D. Roosevelt was in office. When the press asked him why the American war planes didn't knock out the railroad tracks, which transported the Jews to the concentration camps. He told the press that, the United States was a Protastant country and the Jews were of no concern to them.

Fucked up huh?
 
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off the subject kinda but intresting at the same time, but my sociology teacher was talking about World War 2, when Franklin D. Roosevelt was in office. When the press asked him why the American war planes didn't knock out the railroad tracks, which transported the Jews to the concentration camps. He told the press that, the United States was a Protastant country and the Jews were of no concern to them.

Fucked up huh?
Very fucked up. He also knew the exact date of the Pearl Harbor bombings weeks if not months before the attacks.
 
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Very fucked up. He also knew the exact date of the Pearl Harbor bombings weeks if not months before the attacks.
I was unaware of that. Makes you think if Japan didn't attack Pearl Harbor I highly doubt, the United States would of entered the war.
 
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2-0-Sixx said:


I never heard hitler was gay...I've heard hundreds of stories about hitler that probably are not true, like he only had one testicle, he was half jewish, and not to mention all the disgusting sex fetishes. I think people cant imagine a human being causing so much terror on this planet so they make up stories and rumors to make that human seem a lot less human. But the fact is, he was human and it shows us what people are capable of.
I was watching a documentary on the History channel last night and they talked about these gay "rumors".
They interviewed a dude who worked at his house, and his wife worked there as well. She was a maid, they were all curious about Hitler's sexuality since it was known to just about everyone that he didn't seem too interested in women.
Hitler had a wife, but the maid went as far as checking their PJ's and bed sheets. And according to her, there was no sign of sex in them.....
 
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I was unaware of that. Makes you think if Japan didn't attack Pearl Harbor I highly doubt, the United States would of entered the war.
The day before the attack on Pearl Harbor, Roosevelt got a decoded message telling Japan's peace envoy to reject all American peace proposals. He responded, "This means war." He also said that America had to wait for Japan to attack first because America was full of peaceful people and they had to live up to that expectation.
 
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The day before the attack on Pearl Harbor, Roosevelt got a decoded message telling Japan's peace envoy to reject all American peace proposals. He responded, "This means war." He also said that America had to wait for Japan to attack first because America was full of peaceful people and they had to live up to that expectation.

President Roosevelt provoked the attack, knew about it in advance and covered up his failure to warn the Hawaiian commanders. FDR needed the attack to sucker Hitler to declare war, since the public and Congress were overwhelmingly against entering the war in Europe. It was his backdoor to war.

The US was warned by, at least, the governments of Britain, Netherlands, Australia, Peru, Korea and the Soviet Union that a surprise attack on Pearl Harbor was coming. Most, if not all, Japanese codes were broken. FDR and Marshall and others knew the attack was coming, allowed it and covered up their knowledge. It's significant that both the the chief of OP-20-G Safford and Friedman of Army SIS, the two people in the world that knew what we decoded, said that FDR knew Pearl Harbor was going to be attacked.
 
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I'm getting my information from a history book, so I'll quote it:

"The US military had broken Japan's secret communication codes and knew that Japan was preparing for a strike. What it didn't know was where the attack would come. Late in November, Roosevelt sent out a 'war warning' to military commanders in Hawaii, Guam, and the Philippines. If war could not be avoided, the warning said, 'the United States desires that Japan commit the first overt act.' And the nation waited."

That's what the book says. I think that Roosevelt may have known where it was going to be, but I'm not sure because I've never seen any evidence of this. Then again, the only evidence that I've seen that he didn't know where the attack was going to take place was in history books. So I don't really know.

I don't know a lot about war, but isn't the president allowed to go to war for 30 days without the permission of Congress, or something like that? Couldn't he have done that instead of waiting for the attacks?