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Apr 1, 2004
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The shit i posted i got from a book written by a Nostradamian student (by the way most students of Nostradamus already speak french or they learn it, because learning a translated version would only screw up interpretations)....
My sentiments exactly, even though they learn french and speak it, it still is screwed up. Even some of his followers dispute the valitidy of his prophecies.

He believed himself to possess certain powers, although there is reason to believe he could not draw on these to order. They certainly sometimes let him down in the Prophecies (PON, p. 14).

in my post i refered to the rumors that Nostradamus predicted the fall of the twin towers, and how these rumors were false. So you were argueing a case that simply didn't exist.
Well first things first I do imagine if would have read your thread you submitted, It would have have probably removed the need for me to argue the case seeing that it was a rumor. Although this is debatable.

Their are many other claims that are false or misconstrued.
The prediction of Hitler, The End of the world prophecies and JFK assasanations.

Many have heard that Nostradamus accurately predicted the assassinations of JFK and RFK 400 years in advance, but did he really make such a prediction or are his fans trying to make his prophecies fit history and thereby unduly exalt his predictive powers? Dear reader, carefully ponder the following for yourself.
This is supposed to be the Kennedy assassination predictions:

The great man will be struck down in the day by a thunderbolt. An evil deed, foretold by the bearer of a petition.

According to the prediction another falls at night time. Conflict at Reims, London, and pestilence in Tuscany (PON, p. 33).

Please note that the facts reveal that there was no specific mention of the name Kennedy as you might have thought, or of his time frame or century, neither was it stated that it would be the brother or even a relative who would “fall at night time.” Furthermore, as we look back into history, how did the Kennedy assassinations trigger pestilence in Tuscany?

Nostradamus was an occultist who practiced a form of witchcraft to forsee events. Some of his practices were used by Egyptians prior to his existence. He was demon possessed, even his own writings prove this to be true.

He told his own child not to use these practices as they would lead one to hell.

He beseeches his infant son never to dabble in such practices for, he says, they desiccate the body, disturb the mind, and send the soul to perdition. For that reason he has reduced to ashes the ancient books in which he first discovered the techniques involved. They burned, he says, with an unnatural brilliance (NE, p. 64).
Finally what does God have to say about divination, withchcraft etc..

But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars--their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death. (Rev 21:8)

All the counsel you have received has only worn you out! Let your astrologers come forward, those stargazers who make predictions month by month, let them save you from what is coming upon you. Surely they are like stubble; the fire will burn them up. They cannot even save themselves from the power of the flame. Here are no coals to warm anyone; here is no fire to sit by. (Isa 47:13,14)

One day, as we were going to the place of prayer, we met a slave-girl who had a spirit of divination and brought her owners a great deal of money by fortune-telling.

While she followed Paul and us, she would cry out, “These men are slaves of the Most High God, who proclaim to you a way of salvation.” She kept doing this for many days. But Paul, very much annoyed, turned and said to the spirit, “I order you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her.”

And it came out that very hour. But when her owners saw that their hope of making money was gone ... (Acts 16:16-19, NRSV).

From the above Scripture, it should be clear that demon spirits can predict the future to some degree of accuracy or that demon possessed slave girl couldn’t have made a great deal of money for her owners.

We should remember this as we evaluate Nostradamus and his predictive powers, which came from spirit beings.

Moreover, remember this: a false prophet can make true prophecies (Dt. 13:1-10), but when a false prophecy is made, that person is always a false prophet (Dt. 18:21,22):
 
Jun 17, 2004
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I did not say anythign abotu the JFK assisination... yes many of the predictions are very vague and debatable, but i did not mention these ones. It's no question that he has some predictions that are so vague they can't even be considered, but it's the ones that are shockling accurate which can not be overlooked......

Century IX Quatrain 90 clearly predicts World War II Admiral Horthy accepting 'help' offered by Hitler to support Hungary....

A captain of Greater Germany(Hitler perhaps),

Will deliver counterfeit help(help offered to Admiral Horthy),

A King of Kings to support Hungary(Hitler's help to Hungary),

Yet his war will cause great bloodshed,


Similar predictions pretained to the 1933-1939 period tells of preparations to invade France....

The bird of prey flying to the left ('to the left' could be looked at as an expression geographically from Germany to France or perhaps politically),

Makes preparations before combating France (obviously pre-war preparations),

Some will regard him as good, some as evil, some as ambiguous (reflects mixed attitudes of Hitler),

The weaker part will regard him as a good augury (the weaker part could be pretaining to the lower class, which in Germany regarded him as good),


In Century I Quatrain 64 Nostradamus could be trying to describe the use of combat aircraft in warfare......

At night they will think they have seen the sun (ever see ground to air missiles fired at fighter jets at night? it lights up the whole sky),

When they see the pig-like, half-man, (scince Nostradamus would have been seeing this without knowing what it is, a fighter pilot in a jet could be easily mistaken as 'pig-like' because of his oxigen mask and 'half-man' because you can only see their upper half),

Noise, shouts, battles seen in the heavens (noise from aircraft, shouts within planes over radio, battles in the air),

Brute beasts can be heard speaking (to someone who has never heard communication over a radio a human's voice could sound quite inhuman) , ......

See how they can be seen as pig-like half-men when they have oxigen masks on^^^^^^^^^^

I did not get these off some website I copied these from a book i have.. "Nostradamus: Prophecies Fulfilled and Future Predictions"
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and the reason for Nostradamus's way of writing the Centuries in different languages and deliberately putting some things out of order and making it into poetry is simply because the man feared persecution for his writings, he could have been executed for publishing such outrageous writings.



i'll post more in a bit.......
 
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....my post continues with more nostradamus predictions......




A detailed fulfilled prophecy.... Century IX, Quatrain 16 which reads....

From Castel (i.e. Castille, Spain)
Franco will bring about the Assembly
The Ambassadors will not agree and cause splitting,
The people of Ribiere will be in the crowd
And the great man will be denied entry to the Gulf

This quatrain obviously pretains to the diplomatic differences which arouse in 1940 between Adolf Hitler and Spanish dictator, General Franco. General Franco denied 'the great man' Hitler, entry into the Gulf (control of the Straits of Gibraltar). This caused relations between Spain and Nazi Germany to split thus, The Ambassadors will not agree and cause splitting. The people of Ribieri would be the fascists in Spain at the time, the murdered founder of Spanish fascism, Jose Primo de Rivera's followers were certainly 'amongst the crowd' at the time when the negotiations were held between Hitler and Franco.
 
Apr 1, 2004
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I did not say anythign abotu the JFK assisination... yes many of the predictions are very vague and debatable, but i did not mention these ones. It's no question that he has some predictions that are so vague they can't even be considered, but it's the ones that are shockling accurate which can not be overlooked......
Niether was my post directed at trying to prove that you did mention the JFK assasinations. I do however remember you saying that Nostradamus's prohecies surpassed that of the bible in both accuracy and quantity. This is what I was disputing.

We can easily match the biblical prophecies that have been fulfilled 100% with that of Nostradamus's quatrains which are vauge, questionable and that are somewhat accurate in some cases.

He was capable of the same things that people who performed witchcraft, majic and sorcery back in the OLd Testament were.

and the reason for Nostradamus's way of writing the Centuries in different languages and deliberately putting some things out of order and making it into poetry is simply because the man feared persecution for his writings, he could have been executed for publishing such outrageous writings.
It doesn't really matter why he wrote the Centuries at all. Like I stated previously once a person claims the prophetic role and then makes false accounts he will always be a false prophet.

It'ts not shocking at all to know that anyone can be possesed, go into trances and rely on demonic divination to make prophetic utterances. On the other hand if all of the accounts of his proclimations were proven to be 100% accurate it would just add to the notion that he was divinely inspired by God.

Once again "Every knee will bow, and Every tongue will confess Jesus as Lord." Even Nostradumus my friend.

Man in his finite wisdom and comprehension has always tried to out think the Infinite mind of God. The awesome parallel is that the one that breathed the breath of life in you, also allows you to question his existence, his power etcc.. And he will still love you, seek to have a relationship with you and assist you with circumstances that you can't control.

He will never leave nor forsake you, His ways are higher than our ways, and his thoughts are higher than ours. His peace passeth all understanding, And he would rather you spend eternity with him than not. His love is not predicated on whether or not you return it back to him.

He's beyond magnificent.
 

EDJ

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INFERNO,

YOU STRESSED, "Thank you for the compliment, my parents as well as God are responsible for the strong influence on the respect I have.

NO PROBLEM HOMIE.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Not at all, actually I have used those versions and have done alot of comparisons. Although it was what I was first introduced to. I still have like few other books of different beliefs that i reference and study to try and see where they stand on certain issues."

DO YOU COMPARE THEM TO THE DEAD SEA SCROLLS AND THE gREEK SEPTAgUINT AND THE TORAH?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "What I meant was, I've heard alot of friends tell me they can't understand it because of the Old English style, which I understand. And that for me I have no trouble comprehending it.

The translations of the King James Version was translated in a certain manner much different than other translations. The methods in which the scholars translated the manuscripts was word for word to come to the closest account. Other methods that were used was by paraphrasing and making revisions that seemed suitable to the others that attempted also to translate the word.

This is not the sole reason I use it, but It doesn't hurt to know it is the most accurate translation, Although others may see this as debatable, I still will cross-reference other version."

I'M AWARE HOW THE KINg JAMES BIBLE WAS TRANSLATED AND DONE SOME READIN' ON SOME OF THE TRANSLATORS THAT WERE ON THE BOARD APPOINTED BY KINg JAMES. I DO QUESTION SOME OF THE INNACCURACIES IN IT, DO TO SOME POPULAR BELIEFS OF THAT TIME.
BUT I STILL DON'T SEE WHY YOU HAVE TO SAY IT OR UNDA-STAND IT IN OLD ENgLISH IF YOU DON'T TALK LIKE THAT.


THEN YOU STRESSED, "As a kid there were many parts of the bible that were easily comprehended. When I began to read Ezekiel, Daniel and Leviticus etcc... I had a had time with the comprehension of a lot of the text. Not the Old English itself, just like any other book that could have been overwhelming to a degree, based on the level of my comprehension"

SO HOW IS YOUR COMPREHENSION TODAY?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "In reference to both, with them being interchangable. ie.. faith, teachings belief system."

PERSONALLY I ONLY SEE IT AS SOME TYPE OF BELIEF IN REFERENCE TO A CERTAIN TOPIC AND MORE IMPORTANTLY THAT IT IS MAN-MADE.
 
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DO YOU COMPARE THEM TO THE DEAD SEA SCROLLS AND THE gREEK SEPTAgUINT AND THE TORAH?
I haven't compared them to the references above as much as Iv'e compared them to each other.
I'M AWARE HOW THE KINg JAMES BIBLE WAS TRANSLATED AND DONE SOME READIN' ON SOME OF THE TRANSLATORS THAT WERE ON THE BOARD APPOINTED BY KINg JAMES. I DO QUESTION SOME OF THE INNACCURACIES IN IT, DO TO SOME POPULAR BELIEFS OF THAT TIME.
BUT I STILL DON'T SEE WHY YOU HAVE TO SAY IT OR UNDA-STAND IT IN OLD ENgLISH IF YOU DON'T TALK LIKE THAT.
I think any version that breaks down the text, or for that matter takes away the Old English is fine. The easier it is to understand the better.
SO HOW IS YOUR COMPREHENSION TODAY?
I believe it has grown and I feel like its sufficient. I have done alot of studying which seems to help me out.
 
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God has final judgement. He accepts and rejects. If heaven only existed, then why would someone "evil" be rewarded to live in eternal paradise. Shouldn't they be punished for their sins? Yea, I'm going to commit genocide then sit back and relax in heaven with the ones I just murdered. Shit don't make sense.
Hmmmmm... sounds about right.