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[Legman]

Ex-fugitive is triggerman suspect
Back from Mexico, charged withgang-related slaying in Newman



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Fugitive murder suspect caught

Witnesses paint picture of deadly confrontation

Mistrial in attempted murderBy EVE HIGHTOWER
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Last Updated: July 8, 2007, 09:46:26 AM PDT



After traveling more than 3,000 miles to Mexico and back, Cesar Perez had his first day in court Friday.
Perez, 19, and four other men are suspected of murdering a Newman man on July 10, 2004.

FBI agents brought Perez back to Stanislaus County from Michoacán, Mexico, so he could stand trial.

Last month, he joined the other suspects being held in Stanislaus County jail for possible involvement in Ruben "Joey" Neuman's murder.

Perez faces first-degree murder along with gang and firearm charges.

Prosecutors say Neuman, 21, was targeted because he wore red pants, the color associated with Norteño street gangs. Neuman's mother and stepfather acknowledged after his death that he had been affiliated with the gang.

Witnesses told police that the five men got out of two cars about 10:30 p.m. and surrounded and beat Neuman as he tried to walk his bike to the corner of Kern and P streets in Newman.

Perez is said to have pulled a handgun from his waistband and shot Neuman several times.

A sixth man, Raul Javier Peña Jr., 23, of Modesto was accused of driving the getaway car. He had been charged with aiding the murder and a list of other crimes not associated with it, including running a chop shop for stolen vehicles. Peña opted to serve 14 years and four months in prison in exchange for pleading guilty and testifying against his friends.

Perez will return to court Thursday for a pretrial hearing. He has yet to hire a lawyer.

Once that has happened, Perez could be brought up to speed with the other four men — Rogelio Maciel Garcia Jr., 19; Francisco Javier Gomez, 23; and Sergio Javier Felix Jr., 20, all of Ceres; and Alvaro Javier Arellano Jr., 21, of Modesto, Deputy District Attorney Marlisa Ferreira said.

The four men facing second-degree murder are scheduled to start a jury trial Sept. 11.

It took authorities 2½ years to find Perez. After receiving a tip about his whereabouts, Mexican authorities arrested Perez in January. In June, FBI agents brought him to Los Angeles, where Stanislaus County authorities assumed custody. He was booked on a murder and assault with a deadly weapon warrant.

Bee staff writer Eve Hightower can be reached at 578-2382 or [email protected].

 

[Rusto]

whats the question?

 

[Legman]

My Question Is To All Norteno Gang Affiliates, And Dont Take This The Wrong Way Cuz I Dont Intend On Causing An Argument Or One Siding Things

But Does This Lifestyle Ever Look Un-Hopeful?

Does The Possibility Of Not Raising Your Children Ever Cross Your Mind?

And Last But Not Least, We Know The Benefits Of The Gang Life, But Aside 4rm Close Bonds And Always Havin Sumone To Roll With, Does Gang Bangin Help Benefit Life Outside Of The Hood Life?

The Reason I Ask Is Cuz This Is The Second Murder Outta The Newman Area, One Which Left A 15 Year Old Gurl Dead After She Was Shot By Surenos. I Understand That Theres A Blood In Blood Out Agenda To Be Followed And Never Disobeyed, But How Much Is Too Much? What Keeps You Going Along With All The Violence

Lets Not Turn This Into A "Your A Hater, Go Hang Out With Non Bangers You Bitch" Thread. Im Askin A Few Honest Question Juss To Better Understand Peoples Ideas About This Shit, Ya Feel Me?

 

[DAT NIGGA TAZZ]

why did u pick this to ask those questions about that incident? gang killings happen everywhere, all the time

 

[REdRUM]

And this is the WRONG forum to ask a question like that; you'll be labeled a hater, skrampa, bitch, faggot, etc.

You're asking questions that you don't need anyone else to answer; YOU know how YOU feel about the subject; don't be a fool. You seem more intelligent than that, Armen.

BTW...girls look hot in red pants; guys look like Bozo the clown.

 

[Legman]

I Dunno, Maybe Cuz This Article Relates To The 15 Year Old Gurl Who Died, Plus This Guy Whos Features In It, And I Dunno, Maybe Cuz This Is A Norteno Forum And I Wanna Know What The Fuck Nortenos Think When They See Shit Like This

I Wanted Sumone Who Can Relate To The Lifestyle To Answer, Not Have Sumone Question Me

 

[Monstaville Music]

i stay in newman.. i remeber that nite that shit happen. That was my homies boy. I didnt know him too well but my homies did, but from what i seen he was a good dude. Im glad they got they finally got the other suspect.

 

[DAT NIGGA TAZZ]

I Dunno, Maybe Cuz This Article Relates To The 15 Year Old Gurl Who Died, Plus This Guy Whos Features In It, And I Dunno, Maybe Cuz This Is A Norteno Forum And I Wanna Know What The Fuck Nortenos Think When They See Shit Like This

I Wanted Sumone Who Can Relate To The Lifestyle To Answer, Not Have Sumone Question Me

nortenos are used to shit like that... most of them have had that shit happen to people they actually know. and if they didnt quit bangin when a freind/fam member dies, then theyre not really gonna have a change of heart just cuz random dude in modesto died.

 

[Rusto]

gangbanging will lead to you being dead or in jail.....some life that is

 

[Legman]

nortenos are used to shit like that... most of them have had that shit happen to people they actually know. and if they didnt quit bangin when a freind/fam member dies, then theyre not really gonna have a change of heart just cuz random dude in modesto died.

Its Not The Random Dude Im Talkin About, And I Understand What Your Sayin

Im Askin Where Do You Draw A Line In The Sand? That Guy Had Family And Friends And Possibly Kids, I Would Ask Them If They Were Bangers And Such

By The Way, I Didnt Mean To Snap At You Like That Rose Town, I Juss Been Dealin With A Mess Of Shit And Lettin It Itch My Bones. Sorry If I Sounded Offensive

but Im Askin Yall, What Makes You Continue, Even Tho You Could Have Kids And A Family To Take Care Of? Wouldnt You Think Protecting Your Loved Ones And Stayin Alive To Feed/Clothe/Bathe/Love Them Comes First?

 

[TROLL]

I Dunno, Maybe Cuz This Article Relates To The 15 Year Old Gurl Who Died, Plus This Guy Whos Features In It, And I Dunno, Maybe Cuz This Is A Norteno Forum And I Wanna Know What The Fuck Nortenos Think When They See Shit Like This

I Wanted Sumone Who Can Relate To The Lifestyle To Answer, Not Have Sumone Question Me

I see articles about car accidents all day. doesnt mean imma stop driving.

"if you live today fearing death. Your wasting your life tomarrow."

 

[TROLL]

gangbanging will lead to you being dead or in jail.....some life that is

living any life of crime will lead to that, not just bangin. U mite as well hole yourself up inside the house all day if u think life isnt about risks and taking everyday gambles.

 

[Rusto]

living any life of crime will lead to that, not just bangin. U mite as well hole yourself up inside the house all day if u think life isnt about risks and taking everyday gambles.

yes, but gangbanging was the topic at hand.
All it does is unecessarily increase the risks of jail/death.

 

[Legman]

I see articles about car accidents all day. doesnt mean imma stop driving.

"if you live today fearing death. Your wasting your life tomarrow."

Its Not The Fear Of Death That Concerns Me Tho Troll, As You Know I Spent Time In A Coma And Came Out Sayin Fuck If I Die, Shit Happens

But Later I Realized That I Have Things To Handle While Im Alive, I Owe It To Those People I Have Around Me

This Isnt Juss About Gang Bangin, I Was Watchin A Documentary About Suicide Bombers That Are Young, Have Familys And Purpose In Life Aside 4rm Dealing Death

I Wanna Know At What Point Do You Draw The Line And Consider Family Over The Hood, And What Makes You Keep Tickin, As Far As Your Normal Routine With The Hood? Whats The Benefit Besides The Love 4rm The Gang And The Money To Be Had?

 

[LiL LoC 415]

@ RUSTO..NO DISRESPECT BUT UR SUPPORTIN' NIGGAZ WHO GANG BANGIN'..SO IF U TALKIN DOWN ON IT WHY U LISTEN TO NORTENO RAP?

 

[Legman]

^^^People Are Entitled To An Opinion, I Highly Doubt Hes Talkin Down On It, Plus I Dont Gang Bang, Should I Stop Listening To Norteno Related Music?

 

[Rusto]

@ RUSTO..NO DISRESPECT BUT UR SUPPORTIN' NIGGAZ WHO GANG BANGIN'..SO IF U TALKIN DOWN ON IT WHY U LISTEN TO NORTENO RAP?

wood was smart enough to know the consequences of his actions. He was also above gangbangin towards the end of his career and had a lot of other shit to talk about.
east co co/sav it out is the only norteno rap i listen to

 

[L.K.D]

I Don't think there is a line to draw, i believe they become selfish like the ganglife style is more important than family, yeah life has it risks but once you choose this type of lifestyle everyone involve in your circle becomes part of it. alot of gang members don't want their kids to become what they have become, alot of parents think like that they want their kids to be sucessfull. but how can you push your seeds to be sucessfull when youre not. i mean what kind of example are you setting to push your family forward when youre not living right. armen i think youre question is solid. and this thing takes alot of years of youre life, but at the end i feel that the hood consumes you end up shot or in jail and not your homies. but your family suffers. in jail your son is graduating highschool but you can't make it cause you decided to make a bad choice and miss the most important day of his life.

 

[LiL LoC 415]

IT JUS SEEM LIKE U SAID GANG BANGIN' WAZ ALL BAD BUT U BUYING THE MUSIC SO IT SEEMED SILLY TO ME CUZ IN A WAY UR SAYIN' UR GOOD WIT THAT KINDA LIFE STYLE OR THAT UR AGREEING WIT IT BY BUYING THOSE ALBUMZ BUT REALLY UR NOT OK WIT THAT LIFE STYLE

 

[MataSkonkas]

FOR THOSE OF US WHO ARE ABOUT THEIR SHIT THERE IS NO LINE TO DRAW. yOU DONT WAKE UP EVERY DAY THINKING OK TODAY IMA BE GANGSTER AND WAKE UP ANOTHER DAY THINKIN NAH IM NOT FEELING IT TODAY. THERES WAYS OF GETTING OVER EVERY OBSTACLE LIFE OR THE HOOD CAN BRING YOU WHETHER YOU HAVE A FAMILY OR NOT. YOU JUST HAVE TO BE SMART ABOUT THE DECISIONS YOU MAKE WHETHER THEYRE GOOD OR BAD.