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Hutch

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WHITE DEVIL said:
This entire thread could have been deleted and no one would be any further forward or behind in the discussion.
lol, it's true. The same would also apply to every religious thread ever posted in GOM. Then again, this is a harmless way for people to express their beliefs and that's got to be a good thing - even if it does get extremely repetitive!
 
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ThaG said:
It doesn't lose its purpose for scientists and people of high inteligence as most of them have found it in studying life and the universe and how we happened to be here and ask these questions.
here you create kinda own religion... Man, don't try it again...
 
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hmmmmm.....lets use our brains here..

did animals evolve? and do they still evolve?

answer this.

now...did we evolve?
do we still evolve?

answer this.

Evolutions is very real...it is not up for debate....

5000
 
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Hutch said:
Let me rephrase your statement: What distinguishes humans from other animals is their arrogance, the belief in their superiority based on some illusory concept of 'trancendental nature of self', or 'the absolute'. Their one-eyed, unwavering anthropocentric view of nature which invokes embarassment at the mere thought of sharing evolutionary descendants with great apes.

Humans can write extremely convincing fictional novels, such as 2001 a space odyssey and 1984 - something that apes cannot do. In fact, these stories are quite similar to the one that's playing out in your mind re: 'trancendental nature of self' and 'the absolute'. Paradoxical, that.
1) This is only as anthropocentric as reality is. In reality, humans have the capacity to understand what is self and what is absolute (if even only in theory). This does NOT mean that only humans have this self. It simply means that humans have the capacity to understand it's existence. In other words, the same type of self (or soul) can be understood to exist in all living organisms. Ergo, no anthropocentricism.

2) However convincing a fictional novel is, the result is either to feed the animal propensities or it is to spark the intellect into considering the nature of self. Most of the time it is the former and not the latter. For example, author X writes neato-convincing, sci-fi novel, makes money selling it, then uses money to enhance his sleeping, eating, mating and defending capacities.
 

ThaG

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n9newunsixx5150 said:
1) This is only as anthropocentric as reality is. In reality, humans have the capacity to understand what is self and what is absolute (if even only in theory). This does NOT mean that only humans have this self. It simply means that humans have the capacity to understand it's existence. In other words, the same type of self (or soul) can be understood to exist in all living organisms. Ergo, no anthropocentricism.

2) However convincing a fictional novel is, the result is either to feed the animal propensities or it is to spark the intellect into considering the nature of self. Most of the time it is the former and not the latter. For example, author X writes neato-convincing, sci-fi novel, makes money selling it, then uses money to enhance his sleeping, eating, mating and defending capacities.
he told you not to use the "self" and "the absolute"....

I don't know if you're aware of this but apes, dolphins and maybe even elephants can recognize themselves in the mirror

does this mean they have the notion of "self" according to your definition (which I haven't seen yet ) and whatever "self" is supposed to mean???
 

Hutch

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ThaG said:
I don't know if you're aware of this but apes, dolphins and maybe even elephants can recognize themselves in the mirror
I was just thinking the same thing. Some animals appear to have the capacity to understand self - so that leaves the absolute.

Do you understand the absolute 916, even in theory? I don't think you do. After all, your definition of what the absolute consists of differs from mine, which differs from almost everyone elses. What makes you think yours is right - even in theory? Humans have the capacity to devise their own 'reality', producing a world picture that suits their own understanding and desire. Thus, there are millions of different 'realities' (Well, there is only one reality, but people interpret it differently and construct highly variable patterns).

That is not absolute.
 

Cmoke

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JLMACN said:
are you serious?

evolution is still considered a theory in america? hahahahahahahahaha

no wonder why the world thinks we are so dumb...

5000

Without assuming i support evolution could you please tell me which theory am i supposed to consider?