@ Gizmo and Cameron, regarding baptizmal
- Thread starter miggidy
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GOD=TITLE.
GOD=NOT A NAME.
GOD=POSITION/OFFICE.
GOD=NOT A NAME.
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YESHUA=NOT THE SAME AS HASHEM OR RAUCH
YESHUA=GOD (SON)
HASHEM=NOT THE SAME AS RAUCH OR YESHUA.
HASHEM=GOD (FATHER)
RAUCH HAKODESH=GOD (HOLY SPIRIT)
RAUCH HAKODESH=NOT THE SAME AS YESHUA OR HASHEM
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THIS IS IN ERROR. IF THIS IS THE CASE THE *ENTIRE* HEBREW LANGUAGE IS CORRUPT AND NEEDS TO BE DONE AWAY WITH. I SUGGEST YOU STUDY THE "SHEMA". PAY ATTENTION TO THE WORD *ONE* THAT IS USED N THE SHEMA.
"LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE"
"LET US GO DOWN AND CONFUSE THE PEOPLE"
"BEHOLD MAN IS AS ONE OF US"
WHO IS US?
NOW IF YOU HOLD A PENTACOSTAL OR ANY ONENESS VIEW YOU HAVE TO ANSWER THE FOLLOWING.
WHO WAS IN HEAVEN WHEN YESHUA WAS ON EARTH?!?
NOT ONLY THAT BUT IF THEY ARE THE *SAME* BEING BUT MANIFESTED IN A DIFFERENT WAY(DURING DIFFERENT PERIODS OF TIME)HOW CAN JOHN 8:28,8:42,8:54,8:29 AND 8:26 BE TRUE AND ACCURATE????
EITHER YOU HAVE A SCHIZOPHRENIC (SPELL CHECK) YESHUA OR YESHUA IS NOT THE SAME AS THE FATHER.
JOHN 6:46 IS ***VERY*** IMPORTANT. IN THIS VERSE YESHUA STATES THAT *NO* MAN HAS SEEN THE "FATHER".
SO WHO WAS SEEN IN EXODUS 6:2-3.? IN THESE PASSAGES A CERTAIN "NAME" IS REVEALED. YOU ARE INCORRECT. HE *NEVER* REFERRED TO HIMSELF AS THE FATHER HE ***DID*** REFER TO HIMSELF AS GOD.
John 8:58 (HE WAS ALMOST STONED FOR THIS)
John 8:24-42(HE WAS ALMOST STONED FOR THIS)
I CAN LIST MANY MORE AS AN EXAMPLE BUT I MUST MOVE ON TO SOMETHING ELSE. THANKYOU RAUCH HAKODESH.
PEOPLE OFTEN SAY OR ASK THE FOLLOWING. "IF JESUS IS GOD WHY DID HE SAY THAT GOD IS GREATER"? John 14:28 IS OFTEN LISTED.
"You heard me say, `I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.
TAKE YOUR TIME TO STUDY THE GREEK WORD GREATER. IT HAS ***NOTHING*** TO DO WITH BEING GREAT IN "NATURE".
makarios
audistis quia ego dixi vobis vado et venio ad vos si diligeretis me gauderetis utique quia vado ad Patrem quia Pater maior me est
Proverbs 30:4,Proverbs 30:4.
IN ORDER TO GRASP THE BIBLE AND ITS CONCEPTS YOU MUST STUDY THE GREEK,LATIN AND HEBREW VERSIONS. YOU MUST UNDERSTAND WHICH WORDS ARE USED,WHAT THEY ARE USED IN CONJUCTION WITH AND WHY.
IF NOT YOU CAN LISTEN TO THE WORDS OF YOUR SUIT WEARING 501 (C)3 PREACHER.........:dead:
HAVE A NICE 1
:h:
GOD=NOT A NAME.
GOD=POSITION/OFFICE.
GOD=NOT A NAME.
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YESHUA=NOT THE SAME AS HASHEM OR RAUCH
YESHUA=GOD (SON)
HASHEM=NOT THE SAME AS RAUCH OR YESHUA.
HASHEM=GOD (FATHER)
RAUCH HAKODESH=GOD (HOLY SPIRIT)
RAUCH HAKODESH=NOT THE SAME AS YESHUA OR HASHEM
-----------------------
THIS IS IN ERROR. IF THIS IS THE CASE THE *ENTIRE* HEBREW LANGUAGE IS CORRUPT AND NEEDS TO BE DONE AWAY WITH. I SUGGEST YOU STUDY THE "SHEMA". PAY ATTENTION TO THE WORD *ONE* THAT IS USED N THE SHEMA.
"LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE"
"LET US GO DOWN AND CONFUSE THE PEOPLE"
"BEHOLD MAN IS AS ONE OF US"
WHO IS US?
NOW IF YOU HOLD A PENTACOSTAL OR ANY ONENESS VIEW YOU HAVE TO ANSWER THE FOLLOWING.
WHO WAS IN HEAVEN WHEN YESHUA WAS ON EARTH?!?
NOT ONLY THAT BUT IF THEY ARE THE *SAME* BEING BUT MANIFESTED IN A DIFFERENT WAY(DURING DIFFERENT PERIODS OF TIME)HOW CAN JOHN 8:28,8:42,8:54,8:29 AND 8:26 BE TRUE AND ACCURATE????
EITHER YOU HAVE A SCHIZOPHRENIC (SPELL CHECK) YESHUA OR YESHUA IS NOT THE SAME AS THE FATHER.
JOHN 6:46 IS ***VERY*** IMPORTANT. IN THIS VERSE YESHUA STATES THAT *NO* MAN HAS SEEN THE "FATHER".
SO WHO WAS SEEN IN EXODUS 6:2-3.? IN THESE PASSAGES A CERTAIN "NAME" IS REVEALED. YOU ARE INCORRECT. HE *NEVER* REFERRED TO HIMSELF AS THE FATHER HE ***DID*** REFER TO HIMSELF AS GOD.
John 8:58 (HE WAS ALMOST STONED FOR THIS)
John 8:24-42(HE WAS ALMOST STONED FOR THIS)
I CAN LIST MANY MORE AS AN EXAMPLE BUT I MUST MOVE ON TO SOMETHING ELSE. THANKYOU RAUCH HAKODESH.
PEOPLE OFTEN SAY OR ASK THE FOLLOWING. "IF JESUS IS GOD WHY DID HE SAY THAT GOD IS GREATER"? John 14:28 IS OFTEN LISTED.
"You heard me say, `I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.
TAKE YOUR TIME TO STUDY THE GREEK WORD GREATER. IT HAS ***NOTHING*** TO DO WITH BEING GREAT IN "NATURE".
makarios
audistis quia ego dixi vobis vado et venio ad vos si diligeretis me gauderetis utique quia vado ad Patrem quia Pater maior me est
Proverbs 30:4,Proverbs 30:4.
IN ORDER TO GRASP THE BIBLE AND ITS CONCEPTS YOU MUST STUDY THE GREEK,LATIN AND HEBREW VERSIONS. YOU MUST UNDERSTAND WHICH WORDS ARE USED,WHAT THEY ARE USED IN CONJUCTION WITH AND WHY.
IF NOT YOU CAN LISTEN TO THE WORDS OF YOUR SUIT WEARING 501 (C)3 PREACHER.........:dead:
HAVE A NICE 1
:h:
MIggIDY,
YOU STRESSED, "How is the Holy Trinity a false doctrine?"
HOW IS A FALSE DOCTRINE SO HOLY? IF YOU WERE TO RESEARCH OTHA RELIgIONS, YOU WOULD SEE THAT THE HINDUS AND EgYPTIANS HAVE BELIEFS OF TRI-gODS, SOMETHIN' CHRIST NEVA TAUgHT HIS FOLLOWERS. AND THE WORD "TRINITY" AIN'T EVEN FOUND IN THE HOLY SCRIPTURES. OPEN YOUR MIND AND RESEARCH BRUH.
gIZMO,
YOU STRESSED, "What does YhWh mean?"
IT MEANS "HE WHO CAUSES TO BECOME".
THEN YOU STRESSED, "It does have one in the Bible."
WHAT IS THE "IT" YOU'RE REFERRIN' TO?
THEN YOU STRESSED, "Yes I do think Gad has a name. It is Jesus. No other name given under Heavan or earth."
WHO IS gAD? LOL BUT IF YOU MEANT TO SAY (gOD), gOD IS NOT JESUS. JESUS IS A gOD JUST LIKE SATAN IS, AND BUDDHA, AND THE 30 MILLION gODS THE HINDU gOT. THAT DON'T MEAN THEY ARE THE SOVEREIgN gOD OF THE UNIVERSE WHO'S PERSONAL NAME IS YHWH A.KA JHVH, A.K.A YAHWEH, A.K.A JEHOVAH.
HERESY,
NOW YOU MY BROTHA AND YOU HAVE A VAST KNOWLEDgE OF THANgS AND SCRIPTURE BUT I FEEL THAT YOU MISINTERPRET TRANSLATIONS IN SOME INSTANCES, JUST LIKE THE "HELL" ISSUE.
BUT I'LL ADDRESS YOUR ANSWERS AND SEE WHERE WE gO FROM HERE.
YOU STRESSED, "THIS IS IN ERROR. IF THIS IS THE CASE THE *ENTIRE* HEBREW LANGUAGE IS CORRUPT AND NEEDS TO BE DONE AWAY WITH. I SUGGEST YOU STUDY THE "SHEMA". PAY ATTENTION TO THE WORD *ONE* THAT IS USED N THE SHEMA."
HOW IS THAT AN ERROR? WHAT EXACTLY IS THE SHEMA? AND WHY IS THE SHEMA SO IMPORTANT TO BIBLICAL SCRIPTURE, TRANSLATION, AND IF IT DETERMINES IF YAHWEH AND JESUS IS THE SAME?
THEN YOU STRESSED, ""LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE"
"LET US GO DOWN AND CONFUSE THE PEOPLE"
"BEHOLD MAN IS AS ONE OF US"
WHO IS US?"
US IS JEHOVAH AND JESUS IN PRE-HUMAN EXISTENCE. JESUS IS THE ONLY BEgOTTEN SON SO HE WAS THE FIRST OF ALL CREATION. HE HELPED (gOD) CREATE THE OTHA THANgS THAT WERE CREATED IN THE SIX DAYS.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "WHO WAS IN HEAVEN WHEN YESHUA WAS ON EARTH?!?"
YAHWEH(JEHOVAH) AND HIS CELESTIAL BEINgS WERE.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "IN ORDER TO GRASP THE BIBLE AND ITS CONCEPTS YOU MUST STUDY THE GREEK,LATIN AND HEBREW VERSIONS."
WHAT THE FUK LATIN gOT TO DO WITH THE BIBLE?
SO HERESY,
I'M UNCLEAR TO YOUR BELIEFS ON JESUS AND (gOD) BEIN' THE SAME. CAUSE YOU'RE NAMIN' TEXTS THAT SUPPORT THAT JESUS AIN'T YAHWEH(JEHOVAH) AND THAT HE NEVA CLAIMED TO BE BUT EVERYTIME I HOLLA AT YOU ABOUT THIS, YOU SEEM LIKE YOU FOLLOWIN' CONVENTIONAL CHURCH DOgMA. CLEAR MY VISION CUZZ.
YOU STRESSED, "How is the Holy Trinity a false doctrine?"
HOW IS A FALSE DOCTRINE SO HOLY? IF YOU WERE TO RESEARCH OTHA RELIgIONS, YOU WOULD SEE THAT THE HINDUS AND EgYPTIANS HAVE BELIEFS OF TRI-gODS, SOMETHIN' CHRIST NEVA TAUgHT HIS FOLLOWERS. AND THE WORD "TRINITY" AIN'T EVEN FOUND IN THE HOLY SCRIPTURES. OPEN YOUR MIND AND RESEARCH BRUH.
gIZMO,
YOU STRESSED, "What does YhWh mean?"
IT MEANS "HE WHO CAUSES TO BECOME".
THEN YOU STRESSED, "It does have one in the Bible."
WHAT IS THE "IT" YOU'RE REFERRIN' TO?
THEN YOU STRESSED, "Yes I do think Gad has a name. It is Jesus. No other name given under Heavan or earth."
WHO IS gAD? LOL BUT IF YOU MEANT TO SAY (gOD), gOD IS NOT JESUS. JESUS IS A gOD JUST LIKE SATAN IS, AND BUDDHA, AND THE 30 MILLION gODS THE HINDU gOT. THAT DON'T MEAN THEY ARE THE SOVEREIgN gOD OF THE UNIVERSE WHO'S PERSONAL NAME IS YHWH A.KA JHVH, A.K.A YAHWEH, A.K.A JEHOVAH.
HERESY,
NOW YOU MY BROTHA AND YOU HAVE A VAST KNOWLEDgE OF THANgS AND SCRIPTURE BUT I FEEL THAT YOU MISINTERPRET TRANSLATIONS IN SOME INSTANCES, JUST LIKE THE "HELL" ISSUE.
BUT I'LL ADDRESS YOUR ANSWERS AND SEE WHERE WE gO FROM HERE.
YOU STRESSED, "THIS IS IN ERROR. IF THIS IS THE CASE THE *ENTIRE* HEBREW LANGUAGE IS CORRUPT AND NEEDS TO BE DONE AWAY WITH. I SUGGEST YOU STUDY THE "SHEMA". PAY ATTENTION TO THE WORD *ONE* THAT IS USED N THE SHEMA."
HOW IS THAT AN ERROR? WHAT EXACTLY IS THE SHEMA? AND WHY IS THE SHEMA SO IMPORTANT TO BIBLICAL SCRIPTURE, TRANSLATION, AND IF IT DETERMINES IF YAHWEH AND JESUS IS THE SAME?
THEN YOU STRESSED, ""LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE"
"LET US GO DOWN AND CONFUSE THE PEOPLE"
"BEHOLD MAN IS AS ONE OF US"
WHO IS US?"
US IS JEHOVAH AND JESUS IN PRE-HUMAN EXISTENCE. JESUS IS THE ONLY BEgOTTEN SON SO HE WAS THE FIRST OF ALL CREATION. HE HELPED (gOD) CREATE THE OTHA THANgS THAT WERE CREATED IN THE SIX DAYS.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "WHO WAS IN HEAVEN WHEN YESHUA WAS ON EARTH?!?"
YAHWEH(JEHOVAH) AND HIS CELESTIAL BEINgS WERE.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "IN ORDER TO GRASP THE BIBLE AND ITS CONCEPTS YOU MUST STUDY THE GREEK,LATIN AND HEBREW VERSIONS."
WHAT THE FUK LATIN gOT TO DO WITH THE BIBLE?
SO HERESY,
I'M UNCLEAR TO YOUR BELIEFS ON JESUS AND (gOD) BEIN' THE SAME. CAUSE YOU'RE NAMIN' TEXTS THAT SUPPORT THAT JESUS AIN'T YAHWEH(JEHOVAH) AND THAT HE NEVA CLAIMED TO BE BUT EVERYTIME I HOLLA AT YOU ABOUT THIS, YOU SEEM LIKE YOU FOLLOWIN' CONVENTIONAL CHURCH DOgMA. CLEAR MY VISION CUZZ.
John 8:58 - Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
John 8:42 - Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
*NEITHER* John 8:58 or John 8:24-42 are examples of Jesus saying that he *IS* God.
He perfectly stated that he comes *FROM* God, and that he speaks *OF* God. That is a distinctly different thing from claiming to *BE* God, and it is only a false DOCTRINE which has twisted the pure message of Jesus (who claimed that he was the SON of, and the SERVANT of God) into him *being* God.
I come from God and I speak of God, but I am not God. You come from God and you speak of God, but you are not God. Jesus came from God and spoke of God, but he is not God. Only God is God.
John 8:42 - Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
*NEITHER* John 8:58 or John 8:24-42 are examples of Jesus saying that he *IS* God.
He perfectly stated that he comes *FROM* God, and that he speaks *OF* God. That is a distinctly different thing from claiming to *BE* God, and it is only a false DOCTRINE which has twisted the pure message of Jesus (who claimed that he was the SON of, and the SERVANT of God) into him *being* God.
I come from God and I speak of God, but I am not God. You come from God and you speak of God, but you are not God. Jesus came from God and spoke of God, but he is not God. Only God is God.
John 8:58
"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered,
"before Abraham was born, I am!"
Jesus also claims that he is the Alpha and Omega in Revelations.
V, here Jesus claims to be God.
Or eternal at the very least.
John 17
After Jesus said this, he looked torward heaven and prayed:
"Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those who have given him.
Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
I have brought you glory on Earth by completing the work you gave me to do.
And now, Father, glorify me in your pressence with the glory I had with you before the world began.
EDJ, here Jesus makes refference to him being seperate from God the Father.
"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered,
"before Abraham was born, I am!"
Jesus also claims that he is the Alpha and Omega in Revelations.
V, here Jesus claims to be God.
Or eternal at the very least.
John 17
After Jesus said this, he looked torward heaven and prayed:
"Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those who have given him.
Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
I have brought you glory on Earth by completing the work you gave me to do.
And now, Father, glorify me in your pressence with the glory I had with you before the world began.
EDJ, here Jesus makes refference to him being seperate from God the Father.
i suggest YOU take the advice you gave him.
the majority of "tri-gods" have something in common that the trinity of the bible does not. they have a MOTHER figure involved. equate that to SUN (MALE) MOON (FEMALE) AND STAR (CHILD) WORSHIP. TRINITY IS NOT FOUND IN THE BIBLE. MAYBE THE HEBREWS HAD NO WORD FOR IT. TELEVISION IS NOT FOUND IN THE BIBLE. DOES THAT MEAN WE DONT HAVE TELEVISION? no im not misinterpreting anything. you are. ***keber*** is THE word used for GRAVE and DIRT. i suggest you grasp HEBREW before you go deeper into this. EVEN THE JEWS TOOK HELL AS A *LITERAL* PLACE. ONLY THIS HELL WAS A PLACE THAT ONE GOES FOR 12 MONTHS (TO PURIFY THE SOUL).
NOW IF HELL DOES NOT EXIST YOU HAVE TO ANSWER THE FOLLOWING (SOMETHING YOU DID NOT DO).
1.WHERE ARE THE REBEL ANGELS WHO ARE BOUND?
2.WHEN YESHUA CAST OUT DEVILS WHY WERE THEY AFRAID AND SPOKE OF TORTURE?
3.IF HELL IS NOT LITERAL WHY DID YESHUA USE A PARABLE (SOMETHING NOT LITERAL) TO EXPLAIN SOMETHING ELSE THATS NOT LITERAL??????????? 1.no one was bringing in a false doctrine. priests were STRICT and followed monotheism. some did branch out and worship other gods but thats another topic.
2.we are dealing with TRANSLATIONS. gods name is NOT ommited from every bible.
3.THE SHEMA IS A PRAYER. ITS FOUND IN THE BIBLE. ITS ***VERY*** IMPORTANT TO THE SCRIPTURE YHWH AND YESHUA. IT STATES THAT GOD IS ***ONE*** BUT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE WORD ***ONE***. ITS *NOT* THE NUMERIC "ONE".
1.YESHUA ALWAYS WAS. THE ***ONLY*** THING THAT WAS CREATED *FOR* YESHUA WAS HIS *FLESH* BODY.
2.YESHUA WAS NOT CREATED. LOOK UP CREATE, BEGOTTEN AND MAKE IN HEBREW AND GREEK.
3."ONLY BEGOTTEN SON" IS A ***TITLE***. IT HAS *NOTHING* TO DO WITH CHRONOLOGICAL (CHECK SPELLING) ORDER OR BIRTH. WHEN YOU BELIEVE THAT JESUS WAS CREATED WHAT YOU ARE BELIEVING IS "ARIANISM".
4. 2 Peter 1:17. John 1:1; 20:28. Acts 5:4.Hebrews 1:3.Hebrews 1:8, 10.Matthew 7:21; Luke 23:42. READ THOSE VERSES.
5.SINCE YOU STATE THAT JESUS WAS A *CREATED* BEING YOU ARE MAKING A CLEAR DISTINCTION THAT HE AND YHWH ARE NOT THE SAME.
6.IF HE WAS CREATED *WHEN* DID THIS HAPPEN? JOHN 1-14 CLEARY STATES THAT HE WAS *NOT* CREATED.
7.IF HE WAS CREATED JESUS IS A LIAR.
GOD IS A TITLE. YESHUA AND YHWH ARE NOT THE SAME. MY BELIEFS ARE IN THE SHEMA.
SO THAT WOULD MEAN THAT YHWH AND YESHUA ARE TWO DISTINCT FORMS. HAS A LOT TO DO WITH IT MY FRIEND. THE MAJORITY OF BIBLES ARE TRANSLATED FROM GREEK OR LATIN (LIKE THE VULGATE). THE WORDS AND MEANINGS THAT ***THEY*** USED ARE SOMETIMES (A LOT OF TIMES) DIFFERENT THAN OURS. WHAT IS CONVENTIONAL CHURCH DOGMA? I ENDORSE THE SHEMA. THAT IS WHAT I BELIEVE.
@V YOU SAID THE FOLLOWING.
1. I SUGGEST THAT YOU GET A BIBLE AND READ IT.
2.I SUGGEST THAT YOU GET A HEBREW TORRAH AND READ IT.
3.I SUGGEST YOU LEARN ABOUT JUDAISM AND VARIOUS CUSTOMS OF THE RELIGION AND HEBREW PEOPLE.
4. I AM IS GOD. THE JEWS NEW ***EXACTLY*** WHAT YESHUA MEANT WHEN HE SAID WHAT HE SAID. "I AM" IS THE NAME THAT WAS GIVEN TO MOSES WHEN HE WAS AT THE BURNING BUSH. TO MAKE THAT CLAIM IS ACTUALLY ***DEEPER*** AND MORE MEANINGFUL THAN SAYING "IM GOD".
"*BEFORE* ABRAHAM *WAS* I AM"
WHAT HE IS **CLEARLY** DOING IS TWO FOLD.
1.STATING THE HE *PRE EXISTED BEFORE ABRAHAM*.
2.SAYING THAT *HE* IS "I AM" (NAME OF GOD).
SO YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT JOHN 8:58.
IN REGARDS TO JOHN 8:24-42 THAT WAS *MY* FAULT. I POSTED THE WRONG SCRIPTURES. HOWEVER IT CLEARLY SUPPORTS THAT YESHUA AND YHWH ARE NOT THE SAME.
WHAT I MEANT TO POST WAS JOHN *10* 24-42.
VERSE 29 WAS EXPLAINED IN MY PREVIOUS POST.
IN VERSE 30 HE MAKES A *SERIOUS* CLAIM (REFER TO THE SHEMA). IN VERSE 31 THEY PICK UP STONES TO STONE HIM. IN 33 IT IS *CLEARLY* SHOWN *WHY* THEY PICKED UP STONES TO STONE HIM.
NOT ONLY THAT BUT YESHUA WAS ***WORSHIPPED***. ON SEVERAL OCASSIONS ALSO. PROSKUNEO IS THE GREEK WORD FOR WORSHIP. IT CAN BE USED AS FALLING DOWN,BOWING, TO PROSTRATE OR TO SHOW RESPECT. THE OTHER MEANING OF TEH WORD WOULD BE *OUR* WORSHIP (OUR DEFINITION).14 TIMES THIS WORD IS USED IN RESPECT TO YESHUA.
6 TIMES ITS SHOWN AS RESPECT,COURTESY ETC ETC ETC.
8 TIMES ITS USED AS *WORSHIP* (THE WORSHIP WE USED)
2 TIMES THE MEANING IS VAGUE. (THE ROMAN GUARDS AND THE DEMON POSSESSED MAN)
ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS YESHUA HEALED PEOPLE AND GAVE THEM SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS. TO GO AND TELL THE GOOD THINGS THAT THE LORD HAD DONE. HERE IS AN EXAMPLE:
MARK 6:1-20. IN VERSE 19 JESUS STATES "GO HOME TO THY FRIENDS, AND TELL THEM HOW GREAT THINGS THE LORD HATH DONE FOR THEE, AND HATH HAD COMPASSION ON THEE.
JESUS *SPECIFICALLY* SAID TO TELL WHAT THE *LORD* HAD DONE.
WHAT DOES THE MAN GO AND DO?
VERSE 20 AND HE DEPARTED, AND BEGIN TO PUBLISH IN DECAPOLIS HOW GREAT THINGS *JESUS* HAD DONE FOR HIM: AND ALL MEN DID MARVEL.
WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS ANOTHER CASE OF EITHER OR.
1.EITHER YESHUA IS NOT LORD AND THE MAN *DISOBEYED* BY TELLING WHAT YESHUA HAD DONE.
OR
2.YESHUA IS LORD AND THE MAN DID EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS TOLD. I HAVE SHOWN THAT THIS IS INCORRECT. FOR HIM TO SAY "I AM" IS BLASPHEMY. FOR HIM TO SAY HE IS ALPHA OMEGA IS BLASHPHEMY, FOR HIM TO RECEIVE WORSHIP IS BLASPHEMY. ITS BLASHPHEMY *IF* IT ISNT TRUE.
WELL HE MUST HAVE TWISTED IT HIMESELF BECAUSE HE CLEARLY STATES THAT HE IS "I AM" AND THAT HE IS THE "LORD" AND THAT HE IS "THE ALPHA OMEGA".
BLASPHEMY WAS THE CHARGE THAT THE JEWS BROUGHT AGAINST HIM. HE IS THE "SERVENT" BECAUSE HE ***CHOOSES*** TO BE SERVENT. I SUGGEST THAT YOU READ THE TORRAH AND BECOME FAMILIAR WITH JUDAISM AND THE MASHIACH.
GOD IS A TITLE. FOR YESHUA TO SAY THAT HE IS "I AM" IS AN ACT OF BLASPHEMY......UNLESS HE IS SPEAKING THE TRUTH. I *ENCOURAGE* YOU TO BECOME FAMILIAR WITH THE DIFFERENT NAMES OF GOD IN THE BIBLE.
LET ME GO BACK TO SOMETHING ELSE. THANKYOU RAUCH.
THAT BEING THE FIRST BORN AND FIRST CREATED ETC ETC ETC.
Revelation 3:14. "And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write, 'These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God.'
look up the greek word arche. arche implies the active role of creating. it has nothing to do with inactivity or not having anything to do with ones OWN creation (how we were not involved when our parenst made us).
john 1:1-14 painst yeshua as being GOD and being WITH GOD. IT ALSO STATES THAT GOD WAS MADE *FLESH* AND DWELLED AMONG MAN.
EITHER YESHUA WAS A NUTCASE. OR HE HELD THE OFFICE OF GOD.
TO UNDERSTAND *WHY* HE WAS SENT YOU MUST UNDERSTAND SIN AND YHWH'S VIEW ON SIN.
:h:
PS EXCUSE ALL TYPOS.
the majority of "tri-gods" have something in common that the trinity of the bible does not. they have a MOTHER figure involved. equate that to SUN (MALE) MOON (FEMALE) AND STAR (CHILD) WORSHIP. TRINITY IS NOT FOUND IN THE BIBLE. MAYBE THE HEBREWS HAD NO WORD FOR IT. TELEVISION IS NOT FOUND IN THE BIBLE. DOES THAT MEAN WE DONT HAVE TELEVISION? no im not misinterpreting anything. you are. ***keber*** is THE word used for GRAVE and DIRT. i suggest you grasp HEBREW before you go deeper into this. EVEN THE JEWS TOOK HELL AS A *LITERAL* PLACE. ONLY THIS HELL WAS A PLACE THAT ONE GOES FOR 12 MONTHS (TO PURIFY THE SOUL).
NOW IF HELL DOES NOT EXIST YOU HAVE TO ANSWER THE FOLLOWING (SOMETHING YOU DID NOT DO).
1.WHERE ARE THE REBEL ANGELS WHO ARE BOUND?
2.WHEN YESHUA CAST OUT DEVILS WHY WERE THEY AFRAID AND SPOKE OF TORTURE?
3.IF HELL IS NOT LITERAL WHY DID YESHUA USE A PARABLE (SOMETHING NOT LITERAL) TO EXPLAIN SOMETHING ELSE THATS NOT LITERAL??????????? 1.no one was bringing in a false doctrine. priests were STRICT and followed monotheism. some did branch out and worship other gods but thats another topic.
2.we are dealing with TRANSLATIONS. gods name is NOT ommited from every bible.
3.THE SHEMA IS A PRAYER. ITS FOUND IN THE BIBLE. ITS ***VERY*** IMPORTANT TO THE SCRIPTURE YHWH AND YESHUA. IT STATES THAT GOD IS ***ONE*** BUT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE WORD ***ONE***. ITS *NOT* THE NUMERIC "ONE".
1.YESHUA ALWAYS WAS. THE ***ONLY*** THING THAT WAS CREATED *FOR* YESHUA WAS HIS *FLESH* BODY.
2.YESHUA WAS NOT CREATED. LOOK UP CREATE, BEGOTTEN AND MAKE IN HEBREW AND GREEK.
3."ONLY BEGOTTEN SON" IS A ***TITLE***. IT HAS *NOTHING* TO DO WITH CHRONOLOGICAL (CHECK SPELLING) ORDER OR BIRTH. WHEN YOU BELIEVE THAT JESUS WAS CREATED WHAT YOU ARE BELIEVING IS "ARIANISM".
4. 2 Peter 1:17. John 1:1; 20:28. Acts 5:4.Hebrews 1:3.Hebrews 1:8, 10.Matthew 7:21; Luke 23:42. READ THOSE VERSES.
5.SINCE YOU STATE THAT JESUS WAS A *CREATED* BEING YOU ARE MAKING A CLEAR DISTINCTION THAT HE AND YHWH ARE NOT THE SAME.
6.IF HE WAS CREATED *WHEN* DID THIS HAPPEN? JOHN 1-14 CLEARY STATES THAT HE WAS *NOT* CREATED.
7.IF HE WAS CREATED JESUS IS A LIAR.
GOD IS A TITLE. YESHUA AND YHWH ARE NOT THE SAME. MY BELIEFS ARE IN THE SHEMA.
SO THAT WOULD MEAN THAT YHWH AND YESHUA ARE TWO DISTINCT FORMS. HAS A LOT TO DO WITH IT MY FRIEND. THE MAJORITY OF BIBLES ARE TRANSLATED FROM GREEK OR LATIN (LIKE THE VULGATE). THE WORDS AND MEANINGS THAT ***THEY*** USED ARE SOMETIMES (A LOT OF TIMES) DIFFERENT THAN OURS. WHAT IS CONVENTIONAL CHURCH DOGMA? I ENDORSE THE SHEMA. THAT IS WHAT I BELIEVE.
@V YOU SAID THE FOLLOWING.
1. I SUGGEST THAT YOU GET A BIBLE AND READ IT.
2.I SUGGEST THAT YOU GET A HEBREW TORRAH AND READ IT.
3.I SUGGEST YOU LEARN ABOUT JUDAISM AND VARIOUS CUSTOMS OF THE RELIGION AND HEBREW PEOPLE.
4. I AM IS GOD. THE JEWS NEW ***EXACTLY*** WHAT YESHUA MEANT WHEN HE SAID WHAT HE SAID. "I AM" IS THE NAME THAT WAS GIVEN TO MOSES WHEN HE WAS AT THE BURNING BUSH. TO MAKE THAT CLAIM IS ACTUALLY ***DEEPER*** AND MORE MEANINGFUL THAN SAYING "IM GOD".
"*BEFORE* ABRAHAM *WAS* I AM"
WHAT HE IS **CLEARLY** DOING IS TWO FOLD.
1.STATING THE HE *PRE EXISTED BEFORE ABRAHAM*.
2.SAYING THAT *HE* IS "I AM" (NAME OF GOD).
SO YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT JOHN 8:58.
IN REGARDS TO JOHN 8:24-42 THAT WAS *MY* FAULT. I POSTED THE WRONG SCRIPTURES. HOWEVER IT CLEARLY SUPPORTS THAT YESHUA AND YHWH ARE NOT THE SAME.
WHAT I MEANT TO POST WAS JOHN *10* 24-42.
VERSE 29 WAS EXPLAINED IN MY PREVIOUS POST.
IN VERSE 30 HE MAKES A *SERIOUS* CLAIM (REFER TO THE SHEMA). IN VERSE 31 THEY PICK UP STONES TO STONE HIM. IN 33 IT IS *CLEARLY* SHOWN *WHY* THEY PICKED UP STONES TO STONE HIM.
NOT ONLY THAT BUT YESHUA WAS ***WORSHIPPED***. ON SEVERAL OCASSIONS ALSO. PROSKUNEO IS THE GREEK WORD FOR WORSHIP. IT CAN BE USED AS FALLING DOWN,BOWING, TO PROSTRATE OR TO SHOW RESPECT. THE OTHER MEANING OF TEH WORD WOULD BE *OUR* WORSHIP (OUR DEFINITION).14 TIMES THIS WORD IS USED IN RESPECT TO YESHUA.
6 TIMES ITS SHOWN AS RESPECT,COURTESY ETC ETC ETC.
8 TIMES ITS USED AS *WORSHIP* (THE WORSHIP WE USED)
2 TIMES THE MEANING IS VAGUE. (THE ROMAN GUARDS AND THE DEMON POSSESSED MAN)
ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS YESHUA HEALED PEOPLE AND GAVE THEM SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS. TO GO AND TELL THE GOOD THINGS THAT THE LORD HAD DONE. HERE IS AN EXAMPLE:
MARK 6:1-20. IN VERSE 19 JESUS STATES "GO HOME TO THY FRIENDS, AND TELL THEM HOW GREAT THINGS THE LORD HATH DONE FOR THEE, AND HATH HAD COMPASSION ON THEE.
JESUS *SPECIFICALLY* SAID TO TELL WHAT THE *LORD* HAD DONE.
WHAT DOES THE MAN GO AND DO?
VERSE 20 AND HE DEPARTED, AND BEGIN TO PUBLISH IN DECAPOLIS HOW GREAT THINGS *JESUS* HAD DONE FOR HIM: AND ALL MEN DID MARVEL.
WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS ANOTHER CASE OF EITHER OR.
1.EITHER YESHUA IS NOT LORD AND THE MAN *DISOBEYED* BY TELLING WHAT YESHUA HAD DONE.
OR
2.YESHUA IS LORD AND THE MAN DID EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS TOLD. I HAVE SHOWN THAT THIS IS INCORRECT. FOR HIM TO SAY "I AM" IS BLASPHEMY. FOR HIM TO SAY HE IS ALPHA OMEGA IS BLASHPHEMY, FOR HIM TO RECEIVE WORSHIP IS BLASPHEMY. ITS BLASHPHEMY *IF* IT ISNT TRUE.
WELL HE MUST HAVE TWISTED IT HIMESELF BECAUSE HE CLEARLY STATES THAT HE IS "I AM" AND THAT HE IS THE "LORD" AND THAT HE IS "THE ALPHA OMEGA".
BLASPHEMY WAS THE CHARGE THAT THE JEWS BROUGHT AGAINST HIM. HE IS THE "SERVENT" BECAUSE HE ***CHOOSES*** TO BE SERVENT. I SUGGEST THAT YOU READ THE TORRAH AND BECOME FAMILIAR WITH JUDAISM AND THE MASHIACH.
GOD IS A TITLE. FOR YESHUA TO SAY THAT HE IS "I AM" IS AN ACT OF BLASPHEMY......UNLESS HE IS SPEAKING THE TRUTH. I *ENCOURAGE* YOU TO BECOME FAMILIAR WITH THE DIFFERENT NAMES OF GOD IN THE BIBLE.
LET ME GO BACK TO SOMETHING ELSE. THANKYOU RAUCH.
THAT BEING THE FIRST BORN AND FIRST CREATED ETC ETC ETC.
Revelation 3:14. "And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write, 'These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God.'
look up the greek word arche. arche implies the active role of creating. it has nothing to do with inactivity or not having anything to do with ones OWN creation (how we were not involved when our parenst made us).
john 1:1-14 painst yeshua as being GOD and being WITH GOD. IT ALSO STATES THAT GOD WAS MADE *FLESH* AND DWELLED AMONG MAN.
EITHER YESHUA WAS A NUTCASE. OR HE HELD THE OFFICE OF GOD.
TO UNDERSTAND *WHY* HE WAS SENT YOU MUST UNDERSTAND SIN AND YHWH'S VIEW ON SIN.
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PS EXCUSE ALL TYPOS.
Suggestions noted.
"I AM" is not God. What "I AM" is, is identifying the spiritual *IDENTITY* as eternal. "I AM" means eternally existing as "I". No past, no future, only eternal AM (now).
1. Yes, since he is eternal, he existed before the formation of the material body of Abraham.
2. No, "I AM" is not a name, it is a declaration of existence.
No, I just don't accept faulty interpretations and doctrines.
Yes, they are not the same. That is my point. They are of the same quality, but not the same quantity. Jesus is Lord, but he is not the Supreme Lord.
This is all well and good. And I AGREE that Jesus is to be worshipped. He is to be worshipped as the son of God and the servant of God, he is the pure medium THROUGH WHOM we reach God. But this does not make him EQUAL with God. They are not equal, they are distinct.
You must have a different Bible than me because in mine Mark 6:1-20 doesn't say anything about Decapolis or Jesus.
And even if you just look at the story, there is an obvious third option you are leaving out, which is that when Jesus said to go tell what the "Lord" had done, Jesus said the the Lord meaning the Father, but the man misunderstood Jesus to mean that Jesus had done for him and all men.
After all, even Jesus said that he was sent *by* the father and not by himself. So any work which he did was the work of the father, for the father worked through and in him.
It is blasphemy only to the unintelligent mind, and obviously that is who Jesus was dealing with at the time. Jesus is eternal, you are eternal, I am eternal. Jesus is part and parcel of God, you are part and parcel of God, and I am part and parcel of God.
We are not a pure spiritual being like Jesus who is sinless and perfectly serving the Lord, therefore if WE receive worship it is blasphemy. Jesus is worthy of accepting worship.
There is no "The I AM". That phrase is nonse,se. "I AM" simply signifies eternality, unchanging, spiritual identity. You are "I AM", and I am "I AM". It is not a name, it is a depiction of a state (eternal existence). God is eternal and we are eternal. The twist comes in when people raise Jesus up to *BE* God. He is NOT GOD. He is treated as God is treated, and he is worshipped as God is worshipped, but he *is not* God.
Of course he chooses to be the servant of God. We are have a little independence and we can use that independence to serve God or to serve an illusion. Jesus chooses to serve God.
Suggestion noted.
It is only blasphemy to someone who has no spiritual knowledge.
He is speaking the truth when he says "I AM".
I am familiar with a great many names of God. Your encouragement is noted.
Yes, he held the office. He is the representative. He is the authoritative placeholder. But he *IS NOT* equal to that which he is holding office of, or representing. He is not equal to God, but he is to be worshipped AS God. The spiritual master is as good as God, and so he is treated as we would treat God.
I understand both quite well.
"I AM" is not God. What "I AM" is, is identifying the spiritual *IDENTITY* as eternal. "I AM" means eternally existing as "I". No past, no future, only eternal AM (now).
1. Yes, since he is eternal, he existed before the formation of the material body of Abraham.
2. No, "I AM" is not a name, it is a declaration of existence.
No, I just don't accept faulty interpretations and doctrines.
Yes, they are not the same. That is my point. They are of the same quality, but not the same quantity. Jesus is Lord, but he is not the Supreme Lord.
This is all well and good. And I AGREE that Jesus is to be worshipped. He is to be worshipped as the son of God and the servant of God, he is the pure medium THROUGH WHOM we reach God. But this does not make him EQUAL with God. They are not equal, they are distinct.
You must have a different Bible than me because in mine Mark 6:1-20 doesn't say anything about Decapolis or Jesus.
And even if you just look at the story, there is an obvious third option you are leaving out, which is that when Jesus said to go tell what the "Lord" had done, Jesus said the the Lord meaning the Father, but the man misunderstood Jesus to mean that Jesus had done for him and all men.
After all, even Jesus said that he was sent *by* the father and not by himself. So any work which he did was the work of the father, for the father worked through and in him.
It is blasphemy only to the unintelligent mind, and obviously that is who Jesus was dealing with at the time. Jesus is eternal, you are eternal, I am eternal. Jesus is part and parcel of God, you are part and parcel of God, and I am part and parcel of God.
We are not a pure spiritual being like Jesus who is sinless and perfectly serving the Lord, therefore if WE receive worship it is blasphemy. Jesus is worthy of accepting worship.
There is no "The I AM". That phrase is nonse,se. "I AM" simply signifies eternality, unchanging, spiritual identity. You are "I AM", and I am "I AM". It is not a name, it is a depiction of a state (eternal existence). God is eternal and we are eternal. The twist comes in when people raise Jesus up to *BE* God. He is NOT GOD. He is treated as God is treated, and he is worshipped as God is worshipped, but he *is not* God.
Of course he chooses to be the servant of God. We are have a little independence and we can use that independence to serve God or to serve an illusion. Jesus chooses to serve God.
Suggestion noted.
It is only blasphemy to someone who has no spiritual knowledge.
He is speaking the truth when he says "I AM".
I am familiar with a great many names of God. Your encouragement is noted.
Yes, he held the office. He is the representative. He is the authoritative placeholder. But he *IS NOT* equal to that which he is holding office of, or representing. He is not equal to God, but he is to be worshipped AS God. The spiritual master is as good as God, and so he is treated as we would treat God.
I understand both quite well.
thankyou.
you are PARTUALLY correct. "i am" is a NAME. IN EXODUS 3:13-15 YOU HAVE MOSES AT THE BURNING BUSH. IN VERSE 13 MOSES ASKS GOD A SPECIFIC QUESTIONS(IM GOING TO PARAPHRASE THIS):
WHEN I GO TO THE PEOPLE AND TELL THAT YOU SENT ME AND THEY ASK ME YOUR ***NAME*** WHAT SHALL I TELL THEM?
IN VERSE 14 GOD ANSWERS MOSES AND TELLS HIM WHAT TO SAY. FIRST YHWH DECLARES "I AM THAT I AM" TO MOSES. HE PROCEEDS TO TELL MOSES TO TELL THE PEOPLE "I AM" HAS SENT HIM. IN VERSE 15 HE GIVES ANOTHER NAME.
SO HERE IS ANOTHER CASE OF EITHER OR.
1.EITHER I AM IS A *NAME* THAT GOD TOLD MOSES TO USE.
OR
2.GOD FAILED TO ANSWER MOSES QUESTION.
TWO NAMES WERE GIVEN. HAYAH AND YHWH.
I ENCOURAGE YOU TO BECOME FAMILIAR WITH THE HEBREW LANGUAGE. IF YOU CANNOT OR DONT HAVE THE TIME START STUDYING WITH A CONCORDENCE. 1. CORRECT. I SUGGEST YOU STUDY JUDAISM AND THE CONCEPTS OF PRE EXISTENCE FOUND IN IT. 2.YOUA RE INCORRECT THAT "I AM" IS NOT A NAME. SEE THE ABOVE.
I ***SERIOUSLY*** DOUBT THAT YOU HAVE N UNDERSTANDING OF THE HEBREW LANGUAGE,HEBREW CANON AND SECTARIAN WRITINGS. I ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK INTO THE SOURCE MATERIAL BEFORE YOU SAY WHAT IS AND ISNT. I DONT ACCEPT FAULTY INTERPRETATIONS AND DOCTRINES EITHER. THATS WHY I RESEARCHED THE OLD SCRIPTURES FOR MYSELF.I SUGGEST YOU DO THE SAME. UP FOR DEBATE. THIS CAN BE DEBATED AS WELL. ANOTHER TYPO MY BAD. AT LEAST YOU ARE LOOKING INTO. THATS A GOOD THING. ITS 5 1-20. WHEN IM TYPING REPLIES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE BIBLE I HAVE AT LEAST 2 BOOKS OPEN. SO I OFTEN LOOSE TRACK AND PUT THE WRONG SCRIPTURE REFERENCE DOWN. IN THE FUTURE IF I POST SOMETHING AND YOU LOOK IT UP,BUT ITS OFF. JUST CHECK DIFFERENT CHAPTERS. ACCORDING TO JUDAISM THE MASHIACH IS TO BE FROM THE LINE OF DAVID AND *LORD*. HERE IS WHAT DAVID HAD TO SAY ABOUT THE MASHIAVH (LORD).Psalm 110:1. HERE IS WHAT YESHUA HAD TO SAY ABOUT THAT Mark 12:35-36. IN John 13:12-14 JESUS STATES THAT THOSE WHO CALL HIM LORD ARE CORRECT. HE SAYS THAT HE IS LORD AND HE EXPLAINS SERVITUDE. WE HAVE AN *ORIGIN*. WE HAVE A TIME THAT WE CAME INTO EXISTENCE. NOT SO WITH YESHUA. I SUGGEST YOU STUDY THE BOOK OF LEVITICUS AND LEVITICAL LAW/ORDINANCES. YOU WILL UNDERSTAND *WHY* THEY ACCUSED HIM OF BLASPHEMY. I AGREE WITH THIS HOWEVER YESHUA WAS *NOT* ACCUSED OF BLASPHEMY BECAUSE HE RECEIVED WORSHIP. IF THAT WAS THE CASE THOSE WHO WORSHIPPED HIM WOULD BE PUT TO DEATH ALSO. YESHUA WAS ACCUSED OF BLASPHEMY BECAUSE OF THE CLAIMS HE USED AND WHO HE SAID HE WAS. YESHUA HOLDS THE OFFICE OF "GOD". YOU ARE VERY INCORRECT. "GOD" IS NOT THE NAME. GOD IS A TITLE. THE FATHERS ANME IS NOT "GOD". "I AM" **IS** A NAME AND IT WAS THE NAME GIVE TO MOSES. RE READ THE START OF THIS THREAD. AFTER THAT STUDY TORRAH.
NOT ONLY THAT BUT YHWH (I REFER TO THE FATHER AS YHWH) STATED THAT "GOD" ALONE IS TO BE WORSHIPPED. YESHUA HIMSELF STATED THAT GOD ALONE IS TO BE WORSHIPED. THE ANGEL THAT APPEARED IN REVALTION AND SPOKE TO JOHN TOLD HIM THAT ONLY GOD IS TO BE WORSHIPPED. ANOTHER CASE OF EITHER OR.
EACH TIME IN THE BIBLE WHEN AN ANGEL WAS WORSHIPPED THE PERSON WHO WORSHIPS WAS REBUKED. EACH TIME IN THE BIBLE WHEN SOMEONE WORSHIPS ANYTHING OTHER THAN "GOD" THEY ARE REBUKED.
1. EITHER YESHUA IS GOD AND WORSHIPPING HIM IS WORSHIPPING GOD.
OR
2.YESHUA ACCEPTED WORSHIP THAT HE WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO.
Hebrews 1:8-10 HAS "GOD" CALLING SOMEONE/SOMETHING ELSE "GOD".
Philippians 2:5-11
John 5:18 SO YOU SAY.
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you are PARTUALLY correct. "i am" is a NAME. IN EXODUS 3:13-15 YOU HAVE MOSES AT THE BURNING BUSH. IN VERSE 13 MOSES ASKS GOD A SPECIFIC QUESTIONS(IM GOING TO PARAPHRASE THIS):
WHEN I GO TO THE PEOPLE AND TELL THAT YOU SENT ME AND THEY ASK ME YOUR ***NAME*** WHAT SHALL I TELL THEM?
IN VERSE 14 GOD ANSWERS MOSES AND TELLS HIM WHAT TO SAY. FIRST YHWH DECLARES "I AM THAT I AM" TO MOSES. HE PROCEEDS TO TELL MOSES TO TELL THE PEOPLE "I AM" HAS SENT HIM. IN VERSE 15 HE GIVES ANOTHER NAME.
SO HERE IS ANOTHER CASE OF EITHER OR.
1.EITHER I AM IS A *NAME* THAT GOD TOLD MOSES TO USE.
OR
2.GOD FAILED TO ANSWER MOSES QUESTION.
TWO NAMES WERE GIVEN. HAYAH AND YHWH.
I ENCOURAGE YOU TO BECOME FAMILIAR WITH THE HEBREW LANGUAGE. IF YOU CANNOT OR DONT HAVE THE TIME START STUDYING WITH A CONCORDENCE. 1. CORRECT. I SUGGEST YOU STUDY JUDAISM AND THE CONCEPTS OF PRE EXISTENCE FOUND IN IT. 2.YOUA RE INCORRECT THAT "I AM" IS NOT A NAME. SEE THE ABOVE.
I ***SERIOUSLY*** DOUBT THAT YOU HAVE N UNDERSTANDING OF THE HEBREW LANGUAGE,HEBREW CANON AND SECTARIAN WRITINGS. I ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK INTO THE SOURCE MATERIAL BEFORE YOU SAY WHAT IS AND ISNT. I DONT ACCEPT FAULTY INTERPRETATIONS AND DOCTRINES EITHER. THATS WHY I RESEARCHED THE OLD SCRIPTURES FOR MYSELF.I SUGGEST YOU DO THE SAME. UP FOR DEBATE. THIS CAN BE DEBATED AS WELL. ANOTHER TYPO MY BAD. AT LEAST YOU ARE LOOKING INTO. THATS A GOOD THING. ITS 5 1-20. WHEN IM TYPING REPLIES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE BIBLE I HAVE AT LEAST 2 BOOKS OPEN. SO I OFTEN LOOSE TRACK AND PUT THE WRONG SCRIPTURE REFERENCE DOWN. IN THE FUTURE IF I POST SOMETHING AND YOU LOOK IT UP,BUT ITS OFF. JUST CHECK DIFFERENT CHAPTERS. ACCORDING TO JUDAISM THE MASHIACH IS TO BE FROM THE LINE OF DAVID AND *LORD*. HERE IS WHAT DAVID HAD TO SAY ABOUT THE MASHIAVH (LORD).Psalm 110:1. HERE IS WHAT YESHUA HAD TO SAY ABOUT THAT Mark 12:35-36. IN John 13:12-14 JESUS STATES THAT THOSE WHO CALL HIM LORD ARE CORRECT. HE SAYS THAT HE IS LORD AND HE EXPLAINS SERVITUDE. WE HAVE AN *ORIGIN*. WE HAVE A TIME THAT WE CAME INTO EXISTENCE. NOT SO WITH YESHUA. I SUGGEST YOU STUDY THE BOOK OF LEVITICUS AND LEVITICAL LAW/ORDINANCES. YOU WILL UNDERSTAND *WHY* THEY ACCUSED HIM OF BLASPHEMY. I AGREE WITH THIS HOWEVER YESHUA WAS *NOT* ACCUSED OF BLASPHEMY BECAUSE HE RECEIVED WORSHIP. IF THAT WAS THE CASE THOSE WHO WORSHIPPED HIM WOULD BE PUT TO DEATH ALSO. YESHUA WAS ACCUSED OF BLASPHEMY BECAUSE OF THE CLAIMS HE USED AND WHO HE SAID HE WAS. YESHUA HOLDS THE OFFICE OF "GOD". YOU ARE VERY INCORRECT. "GOD" IS NOT THE NAME. GOD IS A TITLE. THE FATHERS ANME IS NOT "GOD". "I AM" **IS** A NAME AND IT WAS THE NAME GIVE TO MOSES. RE READ THE START OF THIS THREAD. AFTER THAT STUDY TORRAH.
NOT ONLY THAT BUT YHWH (I REFER TO THE FATHER AS YHWH) STATED THAT "GOD" ALONE IS TO BE WORSHIPPED. YESHUA HIMSELF STATED THAT GOD ALONE IS TO BE WORSHIPED. THE ANGEL THAT APPEARED IN REVALTION AND SPOKE TO JOHN TOLD HIM THAT ONLY GOD IS TO BE WORSHIPPED. ANOTHER CASE OF EITHER OR.
EACH TIME IN THE BIBLE WHEN AN ANGEL WAS WORSHIPPED THE PERSON WHO WORSHIPS WAS REBUKED. EACH TIME IN THE BIBLE WHEN SOMEONE WORSHIPS ANYTHING OTHER THAN "GOD" THEY ARE REBUKED.
1. EITHER YESHUA IS GOD AND WORSHIPPING HIM IS WORSHIPPING GOD.
OR
2.YESHUA ACCEPTED WORSHIP THAT HE WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO.
Hebrews 1:8-10 HAS "GOD" CALLING SOMEONE/SOMETHING ELSE "GOD".
Philippians 2:5-11
John 5:18 SO YOU SAY.
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(John 1: 1 – 5)
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being by Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light shines in the darkness …”
Jesus is the word....
That's what Christians claim, at least....
Here's an article I found.....
Jehovah’s Witnesses state that there is no Trinity, that Jesus is not Almighty God, and that there is no personal Holy Spirit. However, over sixty times in the New Testament the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are associated together in creation, salvation, the Christian life, and future judgement. This shows that a basic trinitarianism was already present in the New Testament and that the Bible teaches the fundamental elements of the Trinity. Scripture states: There is one God, the Father is God, the Son, Jesus Christ, is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. Christ, moreover, in the Bible, possesses all of God’s essential characteristics. He is unchangeable, eternal, all-powerful, all-knowing, all-present, beyond human comprehension, He is to be feared, or revered, He is to be loved unconditionally, worshipped, called upon, and He is to receive divine honours. Whenever the word spirit is used in Scripture, the presumption is that it refers to a person unless context proves otherwise. He is sent in Jesus’ name. He is contrasted with unclean, unholy, or wicked spirits. He spoke to the disciples and guided them in their ministry. He has God’s attributes. He is eternal. He is all-knowing and all-present. He is God.
(John 16: 13 – 14)
“‘I tell you the truth,’ Jesus answered, ‘before Abraham was born, I am!’” (John 8: 58) “In answer Thomas said to Him: ‘My Lord and my God!’” (John 20: 28) “All things came into existence through Him, and apart from Him not even one thing came into existence.” (John 1: 3) “However, when that one arrives, the spirit of the truth, He will guide you into all truth, for He will not speak on His own impulse, but what things He hears He will speak, and He will declare to you the things coming. That one will glorify me, because He will receive from what is mine and will declare it to you.”
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being by Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light shines in the darkness …”
Jesus is the word....
That's what Christians claim, at least....
Here's an article I found.....
Jehovah’s Witnesses state that there is no Trinity, that Jesus is not Almighty God, and that there is no personal Holy Spirit. However, over sixty times in the New Testament the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are associated together in creation, salvation, the Christian life, and future judgement. This shows that a basic trinitarianism was already present in the New Testament and that the Bible teaches the fundamental elements of the Trinity. Scripture states: There is one God, the Father is God, the Son, Jesus Christ, is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. Christ, moreover, in the Bible, possesses all of God’s essential characteristics. He is unchangeable, eternal, all-powerful, all-knowing, all-present, beyond human comprehension, He is to be feared, or revered, He is to be loved unconditionally, worshipped, called upon, and He is to receive divine honours. Whenever the word spirit is used in Scripture, the presumption is that it refers to a person unless context proves otherwise. He is sent in Jesus’ name. He is contrasted with unclean, unholy, or wicked spirits. He spoke to the disciples and guided them in their ministry. He has God’s attributes. He is eternal. He is all-knowing and all-present. He is God.
(John 16: 13 – 14)
“‘I tell you the truth,’ Jesus answered, ‘before Abraham was born, I am!’” (John 8: 58) “In answer Thomas said to Him: ‘My Lord and my God!’” (John 20: 28) “All things came into existence through Him, and apart from Him not even one thing came into existence.” (John 1: 3) “However, when that one arrives, the spirit of the truth, He will guide you into all truth, for He will not speak on His own impulse, but what things He hears He will speak, and He will declare to you the things coming. That one will glorify me, because He will receive from what is mine and will declare it to you.”
LIKE I STRESSED HERESY,
THIS TOPIC DEALS WITH MISTRANSLATIONS AND MISINTERPRETATIONS OF THE HOLY SCRIPTURES AND THE ORIgINAL LANgUAgES THEY WERE WRITTEN IN. I CAN'T JUST gO BAK AND FORTH CAUSE I SEE WE gOIN' IN CIRCLES. I'LL RESEARCH MORE HEBREW WORDS AND PHRASES AND THE SHIT YOU THROWIN' AT ME AND TAKE IT FROM THERE.
V,
I SEE I AIN'T THE ONLY ONE TO SEE THE SHIT FOR WHAT IT IS.
MIggIDY,
THANKS FOR THE AKNOWLEDgEMENT
THIS TOPIC DEALS WITH MISTRANSLATIONS AND MISINTERPRETATIONS OF THE HOLY SCRIPTURES AND THE ORIgINAL LANgUAgES THEY WERE WRITTEN IN. I CAN'T JUST gO BAK AND FORTH CAUSE I SEE WE gOIN' IN CIRCLES. I'LL RESEARCH MORE HEBREW WORDS AND PHRASES AND THE SHIT YOU THROWIN' AT ME AND TAKE IT FROM THERE.
V,
I SEE I AIN'T THE ONLY ONE TO SEE THE SHIT FOR WHAT IT IS.
MIggIDY,
THANKS FOR THE AKNOWLEDgEMENT
Isaiah 42:8
Genesis 12:8
Exodus 6:3
NOW LETS TAKE A LOOK AT THE NAME OF YESHUA. ITS A COMPOUND OF 2 HEBREW WORDS.
Ya=YAH. ITS SHORT FOR YAHWEH
shuwah/yasha=SALVATION
YAHWEH SALVATION.
Lo tisah et Shem YHVH Eloheicha l'shav
IF YHWH OR YHVH IS **NOT** THE NAME OF "GOD" THAN YESHUA IS NOT THE NAME OF THE MASHIACH AND IS RENDERED POWERLESS.
Ex 33:19
ISA 47:4
JER 16:21
ehyeh asher ehyeh
:classic:
Hebrews 1:4
:h:
Genesis 12:8
Exodus 6:3
NOW LETS TAKE A LOOK AT THE NAME OF YESHUA. ITS A COMPOUND OF 2 HEBREW WORDS.
Ya=YAH. ITS SHORT FOR YAHWEH
shuwah/yasha=SALVATION
YAHWEH SALVATION.
Lo tisah et Shem YHVH Eloheicha l'shav
IF YHWH OR YHVH IS **NOT** THE NAME OF "GOD" THAN YESHUA IS NOT THE NAME OF THE MASHIACH AND IS RENDERED POWERLESS.
Ex 33:19
ISA 47:4
JER 16:21
ehyeh asher ehyeh
:classic:
Hebrews 1:4
:h:
OK.
YOU MIGHT BE GOING IN CIRCLES IM NOT.
WHEN DEALING WITH NT CANON STUDY GREEK AND LATIN.
NOW I MUST REPEAT THIS:
"GOD" IS NOT THE NAME. GOD IS A TITLE. THE FATHERS NAME IS NOT "GOD". "I AM" **IS** A NAME AND IT WAS THE NAME GIVEN TO MOSES. RE READ THE START OF THIS THREAD. AFTER THAT STUDY TORRAH.
NOT ONLY THAT BUT YHWH (I REFER TO THE FATHER AS YHWH) STATED THAT "GOD" ALONE IS TO BE WORSHIPPED. YESHUA HIMSELF STATED THAT GOD ALONE IS TO BE WORSHIPED. THE ANGEL THAT APPEARED IN REVALTION AND SPOKE TO JOHN TOLD HIM THAT ONLY GOD IS TO BE WORSHIPPED.
EACH TIME IN THE BIBLE WHEN AN ANGEL WAS WORSHIPPED THE PERSON WHO WORSHIPS WAS REBUKED. EACH TIME IN THE BIBLE WHEN SOMEONE WORSHIPS ANYTHING OTHER THAN "GOD" THEY ARE REBUKED.
1. EITHER YESHUA IS GOD AND WORSHIPPING HIM IS WORSHIPPING GOD.
OR
2.YESHUA ACCEPTED WORSHIP THAT HE WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO.
:H:
NOW I MUST REPEAT THIS:
"GOD" IS NOT THE NAME. GOD IS A TITLE. THE FATHERS NAME IS NOT "GOD". "I AM" **IS** A NAME AND IT WAS THE NAME GIVEN TO MOSES. RE READ THE START OF THIS THREAD. AFTER THAT STUDY TORRAH.
NOT ONLY THAT BUT YHWH (I REFER TO THE FATHER AS YHWH) STATED THAT "GOD" ALONE IS TO BE WORSHIPPED. YESHUA HIMSELF STATED THAT GOD ALONE IS TO BE WORSHIPED. THE ANGEL THAT APPEARED IN REVALTION AND SPOKE TO JOHN TOLD HIM THAT ONLY GOD IS TO BE WORSHIPPED.
EACH TIME IN THE BIBLE WHEN AN ANGEL WAS WORSHIPPED THE PERSON WHO WORSHIPS WAS REBUKED. EACH TIME IN THE BIBLE WHEN SOMEONE WORSHIPS ANYTHING OTHER THAN "GOD" THEY ARE REBUKED.
1. EITHER YESHUA IS GOD AND WORSHIPPING HIM IS WORSHIPPING GOD.
OR
2.YESHUA ACCEPTED WORSHIP THAT HE WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO.
:H: