GIANTS AND ELEPHANTS TOUR W/ KEAK, QUINN, DLO & MORE...
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gotta pay dues.....a lot of things are backwards these days.
People put out full albums, before they even put out demo's, Mixtapes or even a single....
People make like three or four beats and expect to sell them for $300....right out of the gate....without building a name for themselves.
People throw a showcase with no national talent on the bill and expect to make money by getting people to come to a show where they haven't heard anyone on the bill....yes...FREE...it's called a "showcase".....we are gonna show you some shit you have never heard.....see if you like it......you can't expect to try and sell me a box for $15 but not tell me whats in it...
show cases were a tool to introduce new music to the people, now they are used as a profitable venture for anyone smart enough to organize a show, and making people sell pre-sales for "showcases" is a motherfucking disgrace to hip hop music....
it's all backwards...
I understand the hustle though, but music sucks because of the hustle....
viable hip hop died once money got involved...
and I'm not aiming anything directly at you Chrymes, you know I got mad respect for you, just trying to drop some educational material for people to soak in....
People put out full albums, before they even put out demo's, Mixtapes or even a single....
People make like three or four beats and expect to sell them for $300....right out of the gate....without building a name for themselves.
People throw a showcase with no national talent on the bill and expect to make money by getting people to come to a show where they haven't heard anyone on the bill....yes...FREE...it's called a "showcase".....we are gonna show you some shit you have never heard.....see if you like it......you can't expect to try and sell me a box for $15 but not tell me whats in it...
show cases were a tool to introduce new music to the people, now they are used as a profitable venture for anyone smart enough to organize a show, and making people sell pre-sales for "showcases" is a motherfucking disgrace to hip hop music....
it's all backwards...
I understand the hustle though, but music sucks because of the hustle....
viable hip hop died once money got involved...
and I'm not aiming anything directly at you Chrymes, you know I got mad respect for you, just trying to drop some educational material for people to soak in....
I FEEL U TO SOME DEGREE MY DUDE. BUT U KNOW LIKE I KNOW, ITS COST MONEY TO THROW A "SHOWCASE". RENTING THE VENUE, HIRING A DJ, PRINTING PROMO, GAS TO PASS FLIERS OUT, THAT SHIT AINT FREE. NOT TO MENTION THE COUNTLESS MAN HOUR BEHIND THE COMPUTER. SO DAMN RIGHT IMMA MAKE ARTIST SELL PRESALE TICKETS AND PUT DOWN A DEPOSIT. GOTTA RECOUP AND AT LEAST BREAK EVEN. IF A ARTIST CANT MOVE AT LEAST TEN TICKETS, WHUT ARE WE WASTING OUR TIME FOR. BUT IF U WANNA THROW FREE SHOWCASES AND TOSS UR HARD EARNED CASH DOWN THE SINK.. THATS ON U. BUT A FREE "SHOWCASE" REALLY AINT FREE. SOMEONES COMIN OUT THE POCKET SOMEWHERE.
I definately feel you, don't get me wrong, U know i understand the turmoils of events...that's why i quit doing them so often.
I'm just saying...get the venue to waive the "rent" I know Rythm Lounge(just as an example) rent is only $50.
and we both know for damn sure that dude ain't getting any substantial money at the bar unless someone throws a show there.......(it's wrong for venues to charge unless your paying for a professional to do sound and lighting, one of the reasons shit is backwards, they all try to operate as Canes) and the sound and Lighting at RL is HORRIBLE...and the only reason he continues to charge is cause cats actually pay him the $50...if you have an established track record of filling up venues and getting good bar numbers fools will have no problem waiving the fee.....next few good shows you do, ask the venue manager to give you somesort of reciept or write up of the bar sales. show this to bars and clubs and they will understand you know what your doing. kind of keep a portoflio of sorts.
Sponsors will cover flyers if you give them a proper distro plan....I have done it numerous times, just got to grind to get them, and to be honest flyers are a waste of money unless you have a marketable headliner on them, otherwise they just get used as coasters and tossed into the trash. It's all the artist friends who show up at showcases anyway. So in essence at a showcase it's on the artist to fill up the venue, not you.
DJ's are fucking the game up too....it used to be the DJ was the one whom decided if the MC was good enough to introduce them, noone could touch the mic unless the DJ said so.....now DJ's are just tossed on the flyer and eveyone considers them as support, and you got actual DJ's with talent that get no play cause there is DJ's or shall I say dudes with expensive equipment who will spin for $50 a night.
I def feel you on the bread aspect, thats why I don't do showcases anymore....It's impossible to do them efficiently by yourself without a team....and cats just expect to get put on the bill and have people show up....I believe it's a promoters job to inform the public of a marketable headliner he has paid for an engagment, but it's the artists job to inform the public they will be performing at a showcase.
showcases used to be a tool to inform people of new talent.....does anyone atleast agree with that statement????? hahaha....now they are kind of exploited for revenue.
but because of the nature of the game at the moment, showcases are the only way to get alot of people on to a stage.
im just on some " why can't it be the way it USED to be" rant type shit right now...my bad.
I'm just saying...get the venue to waive the "rent" I know Rythm Lounge(just as an example) rent is only $50.
and we both know for damn sure that dude ain't getting any substantial money at the bar unless someone throws a show there.......(it's wrong for venues to charge unless your paying for a professional to do sound and lighting, one of the reasons shit is backwards, they all try to operate as Canes) and the sound and Lighting at RL is HORRIBLE...and the only reason he continues to charge is cause cats actually pay him the $50...if you have an established track record of filling up venues and getting good bar numbers fools will have no problem waiving the fee.....next few good shows you do, ask the venue manager to give you somesort of reciept or write up of the bar sales. show this to bars and clubs and they will understand you know what your doing. kind of keep a portoflio of sorts.
Sponsors will cover flyers if you give them a proper distro plan....I have done it numerous times, just got to grind to get them, and to be honest flyers are a waste of money unless you have a marketable headliner on them, otherwise they just get used as coasters and tossed into the trash. It's all the artist friends who show up at showcases anyway. So in essence at a showcase it's on the artist to fill up the venue, not you.
DJ's are fucking the game up too....it used to be the DJ was the one whom decided if the MC was good enough to introduce them, noone could touch the mic unless the DJ said so.....now DJ's are just tossed on the flyer and eveyone considers them as support, and you got actual DJ's with talent that get no play cause there is DJ's or shall I say dudes with expensive equipment who will spin for $50 a night.
I def feel you on the bread aspect, thats why I don't do showcases anymore....It's impossible to do them efficiently by yourself without a team....and cats just expect to get put on the bill and have people show up....I believe it's a promoters job to inform the public of a marketable headliner he has paid for an engagment, but it's the artists job to inform the public they will be performing at a showcase.
showcases used to be a tool to inform people of new talent.....does anyone atleast agree with that statement????? hahaha....now they are kind of exploited for revenue.
but because of the nature of the game at the moment, showcases are the only way to get alot of people on to a stage.
im just on some " why can't it be the way it USED to be" rant type shit right now...my bad.
YEA I CANT LIE 30 BUX IS A LIL BIT MUCH FOR SUM DOES THATS NOT EVEN HEADLINERS ESPECIALLY WIT THE ECONOMY LOL, IMMA BAY DUDE SO I KNOW DUDES ARE BIG IN THAT AREA, BUT TO BRING THAT SHOW ON THE ROAD FOR DUDES THAT AINT SELLIN HELLA RECORDS(EXCEPT KEAK) IS CRAZY ADD 10 MORE DOLLARS AND ITLL BE THE SAME PRICE AS A E-40 CONCERT. I RESPECT THE HUSTLE BUT IF IT WAS LIKE 20 BUX I WOULD MESS WIT IT
Smoke Shops, Specialty Boutiques like 5 & A Dime, Street Machine, etc...any business that has a need for marketing to the Urban Community. just got to sell it to them and make them believe that coughing up $50 for a space on the flyers is worth it to them....I will admit that I am a well spoken, friendly looking white dude, and thats probably a big reason it comes pretty easy to me.
whats the capacity you are looking for as far as a venue....have you ever tried to work with the Mira Mesa Epicentre?? That's an all ages venue...or the Beauty Bar on El Cajon Blvd??? Maybe the Stage downtown next to Red C Lounge...
one thing I forgot to mention in my tirade from earlier, is sometimes the venue rent is good, if it offers incentives... the rack you give to Cane's when throwing a show covers promotion in the reader, and the proffesional sound and lighting....I like to think of venue rent as like HOA fees...they ain't aint bad if there have a purpose, but if they are just charging it because other venues do...no bueno.
whats the capacity you are looking for as far as a venue....have you ever tried to work with the Mira Mesa Epicentre?? That's an all ages venue...or the Beauty Bar on El Cajon Blvd??? Maybe the Stage downtown next to Red C Lounge...
one thing I forgot to mention in my tirade from earlier, is sometimes the venue rent is good, if it offers incentives... the rack you give to Cane's when throwing a show covers promotion in the reader, and the proffesional sound and lighting....I like to think of venue rent as like HOA fees...they ain't aint bad if there have a purpose, but if they are just charging it because other venues do...no bueno.
