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Thanks to Cool Nutz and Non Stop and some of the other Portland folks for their thoughts, I'm interested in this kind of stuff obviously.
Question: It's going on a lot of places, but some a hell of a lot more than others. Why are Seattle and probably to an even greater extent, Portland, being hit with the gentrification of the hood? Why us and not Detroit, for example? Why us and not Memphis?
A) Yuppies/white people/politicians/police aren't as scared of black people in the NW as they are in other parts of the country?
B) Demographics (rather than half or two-thirds of our cities, these spots were smaller pockets, thereby making these communities more vulnerable?
C) The hoods were just bad enough to be affordable but not bad enough to avoid gentrification?
D) Other ideas.
Don't mean to take the attention away from the man who lost his life and one of our favorite rappers, I just know a lot of the Portland folks are very passionate about this discussion.
Question: It's going on a lot of places, but some a hell of a lot more than others. Why are Seattle and probably to an even greater extent, Portland, being hit with the gentrification of the hood? Why us and not Detroit, for example? Why us and not Memphis?
A) Yuppies/white people/politicians/police aren't as scared of black people in the NW as they are in other parts of the country?
B) Demographics (rather than half or two-thirds of our cities, these spots were smaller pockets, thereby making these communities more vulnerable?
C) The hoods were just bad enough to be affordable but not bad enough to avoid gentrification?
D) Other ideas.
Don't mean to take the attention away from the man who lost his life and one of our favorite rappers, I just know a lot of the Portland folks are very passionate about this discussion.
A) Yuppies/white people/politicians/police aren't as scared of black people in the NW as they are in other parts of the country?
B) Demographics (rather than half or two-thirds of our cities, these spots were smaller pockets, thereby making these communities more vulnerable?
C) The hoods were just bad enough to be affordable but not bad enough to avoid gentrification?
D) Other ideas.
Don't mean to take the attention away from the man who lost his life and one of our favorite rappers, I just know a lot of the Portland folks are very passionate about this discussion.
this has been spoke on before a lot my first record store was on mississippi and albina and back then white folx wouldnt be around only a few the t shirt lady and the light bulb lady or some random white crackhead before the meth epidemic' black folx owned there homes reminents of the black folx who got flooded out in the vanport flood when they got tired of blacks and poor whites bieng in portland after the war and they didnt need them to build ships anymore research (vanport flood)there was black stores and resturants but they (pdc) portland development commitee had there own plans and it didnt include black business when my lease was up after 5 years the owner came to me and was like octavius i have a offer from this white guy to pay me $2500 a month for the store front ,now mind you i was paying $500 for 5 years which aint bad but he did offer me a chance to pay 2500 but shit i had put in over 10k over those 5 yrs in upgrades and construction paint ,carpet,shit even killin a big ass rat that was living there for 12 years while it layed empty to but he knew at 2500 i would not be able to make a decent profit i could have stayed and been broke or move to another location and build my store back up,i offered a gee a month but he knew that that garanteed money was backed by the banks that wouldnt give me a loan even though i had a-1 credit back then and a 800 credit score they had a new face and a new direction they wanted to do with that area and it didnt include the black folx the ones that didnt sell out was harrassed the old man down the street from me had a church they killed him by going by his church begging him to sell his propertyevery other day they would just mess with him he came down and asked me for help one day it was 2 white dudes from new jerzey trying to offer him 16k for his church lol 10k sqr foot for 16k i told them to get the fuck outta here ,but they kept coming more and more different people with money making offers and driving out home owners and businesses we couldnt get loans or business loans i survived by a loyal costumer base and having the under ground rap shit first,the same success story would still be the same if they gave us loans and the city backed us with garanteed loans and police patrols like they have now,it would be a thriving commuinty like it is now mississippi looks like nw 23rd now the life and soul of mississipi st is gone its looks good on the outside but it has no substance it doesnt look or feel right to anybody well maybe a few hippies and dog lovers i have pits i love dogs to but not more than a human bieng ,if you need anymore info check out the independant movie called (n.e passage) it chronicalized the whole genderfercation of mississippi st,its a cold game,and big business...
p.s maniak lok hope you have a speedy recorvery brother,rest in peace to your folx,one love records for life (RIP MISSISSIPPI STREET)
B) Demographics (rather than half or two-thirds of our cities, these spots were smaller pockets, thereby making these communities more vulnerable?
C) The hoods were just bad enough to be affordable but not bad enough to avoid gentrification?
D) Other ideas.
Don't mean to take the attention away from the man who lost his life and one of our favorite rappers, I just know a lot of the Portland folks are very passionate about this discussion.
this has been spoke on before a lot my first record store was on mississippi and albina and back then white folx wouldnt be around only a few the t shirt lady and the light bulb lady or some random white crackhead before the meth epidemic' black folx owned there homes reminents of the black folx who got flooded out in the vanport flood when they got tired of blacks and poor whites bieng in portland after the war and they didnt need them to build ships anymore research (vanport flood)there was black stores and resturants but they (pdc) portland development commitee had there own plans and it didnt include black business when my lease was up after 5 years the owner came to me and was like octavius i have a offer from this white guy to pay me $2500 a month for the store front ,now mind you i was paying $500 for 5 years which aint bad but he did offer me a chance to pay 2500 but shit i had put in over 10k over those 5 yrs in upgrades and construction paint ,carpet,shit even killin a big ass rat that was living there for 12 years while it layed empty to but he knew at 2500 i would not be able to make a decent profit i could have stayed and been broke or move to another location and build my store back up,i offered a gee a month but he knew that that garanteed money was backed by the banks that wouldnt give me a loan even though i had a-1 credit back then and a 800 credit score they had a new face and a new direction they wanted to do with that area and it didnt include the black folx the ones that didnt sell out was harrassed the old man down the street from me had a church they killed him by going by his church begging him to sell his propertyevery other day they would just mess with him he came down and asked me for help one day it was 2 white dudes from new jerzey trying to offer him 16k for his church lol 10k sqr foot for 16k i told them to get the fuck outta here ,but they kept coming more and more different people with money making offers and driving out home owners and businesses we couldnt get loans or business loans i survived by a loyal costumer base and having the under ground rap shit first,the same success story would still be the same if they gave us loans and the city backed us with garanteed loans and police patrols like they have now,it would be a thriving commuinty like it is now mississippi looks like nw 23rd now the life and soul of mississipi st is gone its looks good on the outside but it has no substance it doesnt look or feel right to anybody well maybe a few hippies and dog lovers i have pits i love dogs to but not more than a human bieng ,if you need anymore info check out the independant movie called (n.e passage) it chronicalized the whole genderfercation of mississippi st,its a cold game,and big business...
p.s maniak lok hope you have a speedy recorvery brother,rest in peace to your folx,one love records for life (RIP MISSISSIPPI STREET)
damn, yall is right though i guess i never noticed it all crazy like that. half of the mugs i know got there money and got out the hood.....well stopped livin here anyway, they still be posted onda block but they reside out there, even my studio is out in the numbers. errbody mom moved out there too. now 162 lookin like a cleaner 18th and dekum.
the number streets dont even stop where i thought they did. i thought they stopped at 257th in troutdale, but i was at the homegirl house in sandy and the numbers stop all the way out there. i think the highest number is like 415th.
startin to look like the more "urban" parts of the city is spreading, shifting, or moving.(possibly shrinking perhalps?)
10 years ago everything in the NE looked atleast a lil different, i miss the old 5 minute getaway rule....now cameras invade every street corner and parking lot......anyone ever seen demolition man????well sum big companies and corporations are already requiring their employees to be chipped(a small micro chip implanted either on your wrist or back of your hand)
select bodegas in amsterdamn are using retinal scanning and london has the big brother system(24 hour survellanced cameras with loud speakers attached so they can yell at you and direct the authorities attention twards you)
p.s. get well soon maniak
the number streets dont even stop where i thought they did. i thought they stopped at 257th in troutdale, but i was at the homegirl house in sandy and the numbers stop all the way out there. i think the highest number is like 415th.
startin to look like the more "urban" parts of the city is spreading, shifting, or moving.(possibly shrinking perhalps?)
10 years ago everything in the NE looked atleast a lil different, i miss the old 5 minute getaway rule....now cameras invade every street corner and parking lot......anyone ever seen demolition man????well sum big companies and corporations are already requiring their employees to be chipped(a small micro chip implanted either on your wrist or back of your hand)
select bodegas in amsterdamn are using retinal scanning and london has the big brother system(24 hour survellanced cameras with loud speakers attached so they can yell at you and direct the authorities attention twards you)
p.s. get well soon maniak
Thank you very much for the detailed response, fascinating stuff. I'll grab that DVD if I ever see it (where could I find it?). Portland and Seattle definitely market themselves as pretty vanilla places, whereas other places do the opposite (hell, Washington DC's nickname is "Chocolate City", it'll be interesting to see if the black people there will be able to survive the barrage of gentrification going on there, Anacostia will always be fine but parts of Northeast are experiencing the same shit that you've described going on in Portland).
Part of it I understand, it's just a fact that there are less black people in Seattle and Portland than there are in the majority of the other major cities. But if what's going in is mostly involuntary like it sounds like, then it's sad. And I know this issue has gotten some attention from the media (hell some of what I talk about I read in the Seattle Times) but I also feel like if it was young, white, granola, hippie types getting pushed out by BMW driving white folks, the media would be all over it even more. In Seattle that'd be if Fremont got taken over, people would be up in arms. B/C for whatever reason, the distinctive feature our cities seem to want to be known for is the presence of those granola hippie types.
For that guy who was talking about the numbers, sounds a lot like what's been going on up in Seattle. Places in South King County and Pierce County and parts of Snohomish County looking more like the city than ever before.
Part of it I understand, it's just a fact that there are less black people in Seattle and Portland than there are in the majority of the other major cities. But if what's going in is mostly involuntary like it sounds like, then it's sad. And I know this issue has gotten some attention from the media (hell some of what I talk about I read in the Seattle Times) but I also feel like if it was young, white, granola, hippie types getting pushed out by BMW driving white folks, the media would be all over it even more. In Seattle that'd be if Fremont got taken over, people would be up in arms. B/C for whatever reason, the distinctive feature our cities seem to want to be known for is the presence of those granola hippie types.
For that guy who was talking about the numbers, sounds a lot like what's been going on up in Seattle. Places in South King County and Pierce County and parts of Snohomish County looking more like the city than ever before.
grab the "killingsworth "documentary we talk about the gentrifacation an the vanport flood, witch eventaully majority of the ship yard workers siblings landed in the rose garden area the city decided to build the meorial coliseme an the community was moved to the columbia villa witch gave birth to one of portlands first gang sets "columbia villa crips" witch ended up being the sight of portlands first drive-by gang killing "Ray Ray" winston.theres actual footage in the KILLINSWORTH DOCUMETARY..R.i.p zo maniak get well soon .an to the shooter josh keep your head up i know all of them.gambled with'em a bout a week ago .thats portland for you a friend one day your killa the next R.I.P city.............................
Yeah...he cool man! He'll make a full recovery! Go hit his myspace page! They got a lil blog on there thanking erybody for they support and sayin' that he's ok. 4 in the back though. You know the homie gone be sore for a min yada.
But he's cool. Keep prayin for Zo's family and the family of Josh as well. It's just sad to see 2 lives wasted over some dumb shit! One person dead, one shot up, and a kid ruins the rest of his life! It's a cold world out there!
ONE!
But he's cool. Keep prayin for Zo's family and the family of Josh as well. It's just sad to see 2 lives wasted over some dumb shit! One person dead, one shot up, and a kid ruins the rest of his life! It's a cold world out there!
ONE!
Damn I didn't even hear bout this...don't really watch too much tv or nuthin...sorry to hear about dumb shit like that. Glad Maniaks doin alright.
All the gentrification shit is hella crazy...shit is way different now. My bruh was like damn white folks walkin up and down the streets...ridin in convertibles n shit. Like shit is all gravy...wtf? Its kinda weird seeing it like that...definitely odd.
All the gentrification shit is hella crazy...shit is way different now. My bruh was like damn white folks walkin up and down the streets...ridin in convertibles n shit. Like shit is all gravy...wtf? Its kinda weird seeing it like that...definitely odd.
