Butcher can be a retard but he does actually contribute to normal discussions on here on a regular basis. Plus Butcher is usually a retard to get a rise out of people where those two are retards because they are retards. It's different but I wouldn't say I 100% disagree with you either.
Just finished watching the complete series of the sopranos again. 86 eps. I still find the ending retarded as fuck and the fact that the simpsons and everybody loves chris made fun of it is lulz.