Fossil Fish Sheds Light on Transition
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Hutch if you got time to kill you might want to see what your fellow scientists have to say www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Science/scientists.html
I like to refer to it as a “crusade against ignorance.”
Clearly you should continue to hold it.
It just so happens that Christianity is the most popular religion in Amerika. If I lived in Saudi Arabia I would be harder on Muslims.
But I’d like to ask you where in this thread did I bash ANY religion? I only mentioned creationists; I did not call out any religion in particular nor did I insult any religion.
WTF is wrong with you?
I am tolerant when it comes to people’s right to believe in whatever they want but when it comes to ignorance I am not tolerant. I posted a news article related to evolution. If people want to enter the thread and debate or challenge the topic I will defend it, as I did and am continuing to do.
Now, if you have something related to the topic please feel free to discuss it, if not I suggest you take your personal beefs to PM or email.
The laws of thermo dynamics have been rewritten to read; matter can neither be created nor destroyed unless Chuck Norris roundhouse kicks it then it is damn sure going to be destroyed.
Seriously though, if something cannot come out of nothing than would that suggest the universe, in some form or another, has always existed? If something cannot come out of nothing than how do you explain god? The same rule must also apply to him.
Also, the big bang and the laws of thermo dynamics have nothing to do with evolution. Biological evolution, which is what we’re talking about, does not attempt to explain the origin of our universe.
If the universe is “unending” than your 1 in 100,000,000,000 (which is b/s) is not that unlikely, now is it?
What is more farfetched? Evolution which is backed by scientific data or the belief that an unknowable, all-powerful being created the universe, which I remind you has absolutely zero supporting evidence?
Here is where I have a problem. I don’t care if you refuse to belief in evolution but as soon as you make ignorant statements like this I have issues.
Evolution is a change in the genetic characteristics of a population over time. This is not disputable and is considered fact. It has been researched, observed both directly and indirectly and the evidence is so overwhelming only two types of people can deny it – 1) The ignorant (lack of information regarding evolution) and 2) The religious, who refuse to it because it contradicts their religion. No respectful member of the scientific community denies evolution.
Plus, you must learn the difference between a theory and a scientific theory. Evolution is the latter, creationism or intelligent design the former. Evolution has withstood the test of time and not one scientific test or experiment has contradicted this scientific theory. Unfortunately for creationists there is no science involved in their "theory" and cannot be tested.
What? Please elaborate because I can sit here and list tons of “transitional” findings if you'd like.
LMAO! The Darwin deathbed story is false and one of the worst attempts to discredit evolution. Even if the story was true and Darwin denounced his work, it is irrelevant. A scientific theory survives by supporting data, scientific research, observation, experiments, etc., not according to who believes it to be true or false.
Please provide supporting data that supports the belief in a god or jesus walking on water, other than a 2000 year old book.
Verily, it can be tested by science. Once again, you are not paying attention and you are assuming things that you have no knowledge of.
I am not understanding this, friend. What exactly is your problem? Why do you continue to speak about this subject you know nothing about? How many times must this be pointed out to you?
You doing what you are doing, would be like me reading 7 pages of Darwin's hundred-plus-page books, and then proclaiming that I know all about him and his theories. It makes no sense.
For you to be someone that is so proud of his open-mind and ability to analyze things, you really are letting your hatred for organized religion interfere with your ability to practice SIMPLE LOGIC.
I am not understanding this, friend. What exactly is your problem? Why do you continue to speak about this subject you know nothing about? How many times must this be pointed out to you?
You doing what you are doing, would be like me reading 7 pages of Darwin's hundred-plus-page books, and then proclaiming that I know all about him and his theories. It makes no sense.
For you to be someone that is so proud of his open-mind and ability to analyze things, you really are letting your hatred for organized religion interfere with your ability to practice SIMPLE LOGIC.
If you’re going to quote me it would be nice to also include a link, but I’ll do it for you regardless, here is where I made those comments, in regards to your so called “proof” of Islam and your shameless copy & paste spam attacks.
I later go on to say “Your posts are a complete joke” which I still stand by 100%. Your spam attacks in that thread and several others are unparallel to any other GOM regular.
Was I scientifically incorrect to say if you cut a pregnant bitch open you will find a fetus? Please Bill Nye, explain to me how that statement exhibits my lack of scientific understanding.
Sure, here are a few I stumbled across many moons ago.
Haha, sure because we all know about the thousands of Darwin temples and churches that are scattered across the world.
Tadou, evolution isn't limited to Darwin. Darwin is credited for first proposing the scientific theory of evolution. Thousands upon thousands of scientists have since contributed and confirmed the theory. Once again evolution has scientific data backing it, religion does not.
I later go on to say “Your posts are a complete joke” which I still stand by 100%. Your spam attacks in that thread and several others are unparallel to any other GOM regular.
Was I scientifically incorrect to say if you cut a pregnant bitch open you will find a fetus? Please Bill Nye, explain to me how that statement exhibits my lack of scientific understanding.
Sure, here are a few I stumbled across many moons ago.
Haha, sure because we all know about the thousands of Darwin temples and churches that are scattered across the world.
Tadou, evolution isn't limited to Darwin. Darwin is credited for first proposing the scientific theory of evolution. Thousands upon thousands of scientists have since contributed and confirmed the theory. Once again evolution has scientific data backing it, religion does not.
So now its only a fetus? What happened to the embryo? The Quran quotes were describing the Embryo, and its development. The Embryo cannot be seen with the eye. Keith Moore is the publisher of the most used Human Embryo development book used in universities. In his introduction he has about two pages relating on how the Quran was so accurate about the development of the embryo so long ago. Yet this information has been barely discovered through the use of fiber optics.
You are using sites made by Christian missionaries as proof to discredit the Quran? You want answers visit www.answering-christianity.com
I mistook the age of the universe and earth with the speed of light. In the Quran the exact speed of light can be calculated, with the age of the earth and the universe the exact numbers cannot be calculated but the ratio and theory of relativity explain it its in this link. scroll down www.speed-light.info/angels_speed_of_light.htm
You are using sites made by Christian missionaries as proof to discredit the Quran? You want answers visit www.answering-christianity.com
I mistook the age of the universe and earth with the speed of light. In the Quran the exact speed of light can be calculated, with the age of the earth and the universe the exact numbers cannot be calculated but the ratio and theory of relativity explain it its in this link. scroll down www.speed-light.info/angels_speed_of_light.htm
lmao
Didn’t we go over this already? Yes, we did, click the link.
Here is what you stated the Quran states:
[23:14] ...We made the drop into an ALAQAH (leech-like structure), and then We changed the ALAQAH into a MUDGHAH (chewed-like substance), then We changed the MUDGHAH into IDHAAM (bones, skeleton), then We clothed the IDHAAM with LAHM (flesh, muscles), then We caused him to grow and come into being as another creation.
[22:5] ...We created you out of dust, then out of a drop, then out of a MUDGHAH, partly formed and partly unformed...
Wow, chewed-link substance. I’m a true believer now! I never knew Allah was such a great scientist.
Hmm. What? So on one hand you say the exact speed of light can be calculated, but on the other you say the exact numbers cannot be calculated?
Hmm, that link you provided is stretching shit just a bit, don’t you think?
From your link:
[Quran 22.47] They challenge you to bring forth that torture [in Hell] and Allah will not break His promise; a day of your Lord [Paradise/Hell promise] is like a thousand years of what you count.
Here God promises those who do not believe in Hell and punishment that each day of their torture in Hell will measure a thousand years on Earth. So according to the Quran, time passes faster on Earth than in Paradise/Hell. But this agrees with the theory of general relativity which says that time passes slower near bigger mass. Paradise and Hell are much more massive than Earth and time should pass there much slower than on Earth.
LMAO, seriously bro, come on now!
And the other shit is even worse.
[Quran 50.38] We [Allah] created the heavens and the Earth and all what's between them in six days, and We were not touched by fatigue.
[Quran 41.9] Say: "Is it that you deny Him [Allah] who created the Earth in two days? And you claim others to be equal to Him? He is the Lord of (all) the Worlds."
Yeah, I can definitely see how that means 13.5 billion years, definitely.
The link you posted was a waste of my time, I'm sorry. Some guy takes some simple ass line in the Quran and tries to stretch it as far as he can.
It's like taking any Nostradamus line and making it refer to 9.11 or some other event.
Didn’t we go over this already? Yes, we did, click the link.
Here is what you stated the Quran states:
[23:14] ...We made the drop into an ALAQAH (leech-like structure), and then We changed the ALAQAH into a MUDGHAH (chewed-like substance), then We changed the MUDGHAH into IDHAAM (bones, skeleton), then We clothed the IDHAAM with LAHM (flesh, muscles), then We caused him to grow and come into being as another creation.
[22:5] ...We created you out of dust, then out of a drop, then out of a MUDGHAH, partly formed and partly unformed...
Wow, chewed-link substance. I’m a true believer now! I never knew Allah was such a great scientist.
Hmm. What? So on one hand you say the exact speed of light can be calculated, but on the other you say the exact numbers cannot be calculated?
Hmm, that link you provided is stretching shit just a bit, don’t you think?
From your link:
[Quran 22.47] They challenge you to bring forth that torture [in Hell] and Allah will not break His promise; a day of your Lord [Paradise/Hell promise] is like a thousand years of what you count.
Here God promises those who do not believe in Hell and punishment that each day of their torture in Hell will measure a thousand years on Earth. So according to the Quran, time passes faster on Earth than in Paradise/Hell. But this agrees with the theory of general relativity which says that time passes slower near bigger mass. Paradise and Hell are much more massive than Earth and time should pass there much slower than on Earth.
LMAO, seriously bro, come on now!
And the other shit is even worse.
[Quran 50.38] We [Allah] created the heavens and the Earth and all what's between them in six days, and We were not touched by fatigue.
[Quran 41.9] Say: "Is it that you deny Him [Allah] who created the Earth in two days? And you claim others to be equal to Him? He is the Lord of (all) the Worlds."
Yeah, I can definitely see how that means 13.5 billion years, definitely.
The link you posted was a waste of my time, I'm sorry. Some guy takes some simple ass line in the Quran and tries to stretch it as far as he can.
It's like taking any Nostradamus line and making it refer to 9.11 or some other event.
You dont find it amazing (an internet moderator) but keith moore (the worlds leading embryologist) does. Whos opinion holds more weight? or should i ask what are your credentials?
What contradictions? these people are reading english translations and screaming contradictions, One of their main goals is trying to discredit Islam, why? look at all the christians who are converting, if you really want to know you might want to hear the other side of the story www.answering-christianity.com it will answer everyone of those "contradictions"
Yeah, but the fact is i mistook the one for the other, the Quran didnt make a mistake
The Exact speed of light can be calculated from the Quran.
The Exact age of the universe cannot from the Quran.
The author made it seem that the Quran said 13.5 billion years, but it didnt, the fact remains that the ratio given in the Quran is equal to what is scientifically believed today, so why not us muslims believe in it? But he had it in there to compare the 13.5 billion years(age of universe) to the 4.5 billion years (age of the earth) that scientists believe in. Meaning the earth is 1/3 the age of the universe. In the Quran the earth took 1/3 of the time to create the universe (see the quotes he used). Also the statements are backed by the theory of relativity. In the end it comes down to the Quran not being wrong, the Quran proving the speed of light, the ratio of the earth vs. the universe in age, and general relativity, and what this thread was mainly about, evolution.
What contradictions? these people are reading english translations and screaming contradictions, One of their main goals is trying to discredit Islam, why? look at all the christians who are converting, if you really want to know you might want to hear the other side of the story www.answering-christianity.com it will answer everyone of those "contradictions"
That's a pretty easy mistake to make, isn't it?
The Exact speed of light can be calculated from the Quran.
The Exact age of the universe cannot from the Quran.
The author made it seem that the Quran said 13.5 billion years, but it didnt, the fact remains that the ratio given in the Quran is equal to what is scientifically believed today, so why not us muslims believe in it? But he had it in there to compare the 13.5 billion years(age of universe) to the 4.5 billion years (age of the earth) that scientists believe in. Meaning the earth is 1/3 the age of the universe. In the Quran the earth took 1/3 of the time to create the universe (see the quotes he used). Also the statements are backed by the theory of relativity. In the end it comes down to the Quran not being wrong, the Quran proving the speed of light, the ratio of the earth vs. the universe in age, and general relativity, and what this thread was mainly about, evolution.
Ahem.....Link War!!!
http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran/my_04.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran/ma_h_e.htm
etc etc, and on and on. This site has hundreds of articles.
Its the same thing with throwing mud at the Bible. 99% of the time, things are taken out of context, words are translated wrong in one version but not in another, and so on. The difference is, the Bible has always been full of imperfected nonsense that cannot be defended. The Quran is not the same.
The bottom line is that the Quran has no place in this discussion. And if you are going to speak on it, be prepared to get slapped around by the people who have BEEN DOING THE RESEARCH for DECADES.....not just inbetween their 10 and 12 o'clock History and Math classes.
http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran/my_04.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran/ma_h_e.htm
etc etc, and on and on. This site has hundreds of articles.
Its the same thing with throwing mud at the Bible. 99% of the time, things are taken out of context, words are translated wrong in one version but not in another, and so on. The difference is, the Bible has always been full of imperfected nonsense that cannot be defended. The Quran is not the same.
The bottom line is that the Quran has no place in this discussion. And if you are going to speak on it, be prepared to get slapped around by the people who have BEEN DOING THE RESEARCH for DECADES.....not just inbetween their 10 and 12 o'clock History and Math classes.
