Famous Crime Scenes: Tupac Shakur

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Sydal

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if you look at the shots in the car door the assassin who shot pac was a trained shooter. the bullet holes were so close together. so suge being in the car is what makes it seem like suge couldn't have set it up. thats the genius of the setup.
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If he was a trained shooter, at least half of the shots would have hit their target...but they didn't. Out of ALL of the bullets fired, only ONE life threatening shot hit 2Pac. A trained shooter would have nailed 2Pac's head when he shot through the window, and would have dumped quite a few more into his torso through the door panel.

Bullet holes being close together when you are THAT CLOSE to the car is not a difficult task...and hitting the mark at a close range like that should have produced a lot more wounds.
 
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i disagree. the shooter shot in a place where only pac could get hit not suge. he killed pac so he hit his target. if he aimed for the head the shot could have hit suge. why did suge lie and say he got grazed by a bullet? i think your idea of what a trained shooter would have done is just a desperate attempt to support your theory.
 
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I just hope before I die I get to see them solve Tupac and Biggies murders.

Tupac and Biggie died the same exact way, it's a trip. If I was Biggie's body guards and staff I would've had one car behind and one car on each side just to be safe.
 
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Yo sydal. Is that 3d imaging pic in ur sig of your baby? If so then congrats. I swear though when I see it It looks like a 30 year old with a dick on his face.
 
Sydal

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Artistic said:
i disagree. the shooter shot in a place where only pac could get hit not suge. he killed pac so he hit his target. if he aimed for the head the shot could have hit suge. why did suge lie and say he got grazed by a bullet? i think your idea of what a trained shooter would have done is just a desperate attempt to support your theory.
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How many shots were fired at 2Pac? How many hit him? A trained shooter would not have missed at all being only a few feet away. I'm not a trained shooter, and I average at LEAST 70% fatal shots from a lot further than 5 feet at the range.

About the head shots, it's obvious that he DID aim for the head because he dumped a few through the passenger side window...which is another one of my points. He could have missed and hit Suge, so why would Suge set that up? In fact, every bullet he shot through the window missed their mark.

And yes, he did kill 2Pac...but he got lucky. One shot out of a clip of rounds was fatal. ONE SHOT OUT OF A CLIP, and it hit the biggest part of 2Pac's body...not impressive and definitely not an indication of training.
 
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from what i remember all or the majority of the bullets were in the door. i think an expert that knows about trained shooters needs to analyze the evidence. i dont think either you or me are experts on trained shooters. do you have evidence that one of the bullets went through the window? why did suge lie about getting grazed by a bullet?(you skipped that question)
i just think you're jumping to the conclusion that anderson was behind the killing. i think if you look more closely at all the info thats come out about the shooting it was a much more elaborate plan. i think anderson was placed there on purpose at that time to create a possible motive for the murder to throw off the investigation. if you look at the videos anderson is waiting for someone to walk by and is seen looking at his watch several times before pac walks by with his entourage. whoever killed pac had to have some power because no-one gets away with murder on the las vegas strip like that. anderson was just a pawn in the scenario in my opinion.
 
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Cool bro. I'm glad you didn't take that the wrong way. I meant no disrespect at all. You had that random picture thread so I was just kinda trippin off that pic. Is that ur first son? Your gonna have hella fun wit ur little man. I can't wait to have a boy. I'm a keep tryin til I do.
 
Dana Dane

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Tupac was worth a hellauva lot more to Suge dead than he was alive. Pac's death row gig was just about up, and everything that Pac owned that was in Death Row's name was going to have to be signed over to him when the contract expired. That is an estimate of over 15 mil in material assets, along with something like between 25 and 35 mil CASH that Suge was going to have to hand over. There was a clause in Pacs contract that forfeited a certain (large) percentage of the assets/cash in case of Pacs death.

We can argue back and forth about this all day, but in the end, and this is the GREAT thing about living in America, we are ALL allowed to have our own opinions. NOTHING you say to me in argument will convince me of anything different, so please save your type.
 
Sydal

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Artistic said:
from what i remember all or the majority of the bullets were in the door. i think an expert that knows about trained shooters needs to analyze the evidence. i dont think either you or me are experts on trained shooters. do you have evidence that one of the bullets went through the window? why did suge lie about getting grazed by a bullet?(you skipped that question)
i just think you're jumping to the conclusion that anderson was behind the killing. i think if you look more closely at all the info thats come out about the shooting it was a much more elaborate plan. i think anderson was placed there on purpose at that time to create a possible motive for the murder to throw off the investigation. if you look at the videos anderson is waiting for someone to walk by and is seen looking at his watch several times before pac walks by with his entourage. whoever killed pac had to have some power because no-one gets away with murder on the las vegas strip like that. anderson was just a pawn in the scenario in my opinion.
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So you're saying Orlando wasn't the shooter? I think 'Pac just hit the wrong dude. A white cadillac was found in an L.A. chop shop...same caliber glock was found when they did the roundup in Compton and picked Orlando up.

You don't have to be an expert when evidence says the window was shot out, a bullet was fired through the back of the car, the door, the front passenger window, and the windshield. And it would have been stupid planning on their part to tell a dude to wait outside of a boxing match when the fight could have gone for a minute or for 12 rounds.

A shot through the back of the car, through the window, and through the door definitely makes it seem like both cats in the car were targeted.

And I don't know why Suge lied about the bullet. He got grazed by something. Was it a fragment? Was it glass? Who knows...but something did hit him.
 
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Cool bro. I'm glad you didn't take that the wrong way. I meant no disrespect at all. You had that random picture thread so I was just kinda trippin off that pic. Is that ur first son? Your gonna have hella fun wit ur little man. I can't wait to have a boy. I'm a keep tryin til I do.
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HAHA, naww I wouldn't take that the wrong way. When we got home I told my fiance that it looked like he had a huge dick hiding his face. lol.
 
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i cant prove who killed him right here in this thread. i usually dont even comment on stuff about pacs assassination because i get frustrated at how misinformed people are about it. My main point to Sydal is that anderson was just a pawn in an elaborate plan. Tyson fights were commonly over that quick. the white cadillac in a chop shop in la could be placed there on purpose to make it seem even moreso that anderson was involved. theres a lot of shit that wasn't investigated connected to this murder. also stretch got killed 1 year after the shooting in n.y. i don't think that's been solved either.
i don't have all the answers but i try to share what i know.
 
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Ever since '96, I've believed everything from Suge being the mastermind, to the cops setting everything up, to even the government setting it up. Today, right now, I believe that it was Orlando Anderson that killed him over retaliation over the beatdown.

For years I thought that the murder was an elaborate, orchestrated hit. I thought that since he was such a high profile figure, his murder would of course have to be part of some huge scheme. Right now though, I really think he was killed over retaliation, the same kind of violent street shit that is behind the deaths of people everywhere.

Love live Tupac, he'll always be my favorite artist.
 
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Today, right now, I believe that it was Orlando Anderson that killed him over retaliation over the beatdown.
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im a just be honest for a moment and say it really pisses me off that you think that. i just typed hella trying to disprove that shit. i understand everyone has their own opinon but still.
 
Sydal

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i cant prove who killed him right here in this thread. i usually dont even comment on stuff about pacs assassination because i get frustrated at how misinformed people are about it. My main point to Sydal is that anderson was just a pawn in an elaborate plan. Tyson fights were commonly over that quick. the white cadillac in a chop shop in la could be placed there on purpose to make it seem even moreso that anderson was involved. theres a lot of shit that wasn't investigated connected to this murder. also stretch got killed 1 year after the shooting in n.y. i don't think that's been solved either.
i don't have all the answers but i try to share what i know.
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You're right, I can't prove anything either. It's all good to debate it though...gets the motors running. I'm not saying Suge didn't set it up, 'cause I really have no idea. I'm just saying it would be damn stupid to have somebody shoot up a car that you're sitting in, and I'd like to think that Suge is smarter than that.

Anything is possible, and until it's solved it's all speculation on both sides of the fence. Suge driving away from the hospital, and the security team having no phones or weapons is indeed suspicious...but who knows?

At the end of the day, the crime wasn't investigated properly and somebody got away with murder. And I know 2Pac was just a person like the rest of us, and he could have been (and probably was) killed over stupid street shit just like the next man. If it was this big elaborate set up, somebody would have slipped and said something by now. Two can keep a secret if one is dead.

They say when you talk about death so much, death is going to come...because you'll do something to make it happen. Self-fulfilled prophecy.
 
Dana Dane

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Last thing I am goin to say on this subject (for now).........

If you had a chance to save or pocket $50 mil, and all you had to do was sit in a car and maybe get grazed by a professional marksman, and had a pretty high chance of survival, would you take that risk, or walk away from all that money?
 
Sydal

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Dana Dane said:
Last thing I am goin to say on this subject (for now).........

If you had a chance to save or pocket $50 mil, and all you had to do was sit in a car and maybe get grazed by a professional marksman, and had a pretty high chance of survival, would you take that risk, or walk away from all that money?
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Suge Knight owned what, at least half of 2Pac's publishing and all of his masters? He wouldn't have lost much if 2Pac left Death Row. And like I said earlier, a professional marksman wouldn't have missed as many times as this shooter did.

And don't forget, $50 Mil doesn't mean shit when a company is worth, what, $300 Mil? Definitely not worth 9 years in prison and many more years of payouts from ASCAP or BMI.
 
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