Essential Rules to being a Norteno
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WTF???
Since you don't know of your bloodline exactly, it's safe to say your are of indigenous ancestry. Why the name WHITE Devil? You lead us on for sometime there.
I noticed but I wonder if Whites on this board ever noticed without it being pointed out.
Yes, Whites have enslaved entire races but I'm not sure if you include the Mexicas in there, because Whites did not enslave them. African Americans were enslaved, the indigenous people of Mesoamerica and South America served the Whites in exchange for holy salvation. The term is called encomienda. The indigenous people and the White Spaniards shared a reciprocal relationship known as encomienda. But the Whites looted the land of most if not all mineral wealth. I'm not saying the indigenous people didn't suffer from Spanish rule, I'm just saying they weren't enslaved like the Africans; where they (Africans) were bought and sold, captured from another continent and forced be slaves in another continent.
As for the dying breed of the Mexica, the Whites didn't kill them per se, most died from the diseases the Spaniards brought from Europe. Although Cortes killed many Mexicas and Tlatelocos, he had help from the Tlaxcalans and could have not done it without their help. I wouldn't necessarily say the Spanish were responsible for the bloody massacre of the Mexicas because Cortes was a wanted outlaw and commited those crimes from his own rule. The King of Spain sent soldiers to capture Cortes but Cortes prevailed. Anyway, just what I learned recently. Cortes covered up his crimes by saying it was a good thing and it was for mineral wealth (king gets good percentage) and the people will be converted (main reason why he was released from a wanted man). White Spaniards are not as ruthless as White English where the W.E. slaughtered the indigenous people of North America and commited genocide. Where as the W.S. wanted to "save" the indigenious of South America by converting them to their religion.
I understand your frustration though, the Mexica culture disappeared and the Nahua language is damn near non-existant; all because the Whites wanted mineral wealth and more subjects for their religion.
Very good point on "latino" gangs contain White blood. But I do see some dark ass Mexicans out there that don't seem to have their blood tainted by Whites. However there are as many White Mexican gangsters as there are Dark Mexican gangsters.
What do you mean by outsider? The majority of this country is White and the majority of this board is White. However I feel the same racism you feel, but the difference is I see more than a handful of people who don't like Asians (most discrimated on this board from Whites, Blacks and Browns, because we are the minorities on this site believe it or not). But I do agree with ya, using those racial terms aren't cool. However I think people use the term white boy on here when they're referring to a specific person and not the all Whites but still it ain't cool. "White boy" IS a racial term, imagine someone calling you Black boy, Brown boy or Yellow boy, for real EVERYBODY gotta stop that racial shit if we ever want to advance. But you gotta keep in mind that this is a gangsta rap site and ignorance is prevalent not bliss. People are accustomed to the term White boy, and they need to change the racial term to White guy or White dude or whatever. I know you as a White man hate being stereotyped as funny as it sounds compared to us minorites; but we are sick of being stereotyped as well, which we have been for centuries by Whites. When minorities use the race card, it's not to cry or whine it's to express our true painful feelings. And Whites get angry and want to shut us up ALL THE TIME. I presume Whites think racism is a cop out or that it doesn't exist as prevalent as it once was, and that that's the reason why it shouldn't be talked about. The fact is it exists today as much as it did a century ago just not as violent, trust me open up your minds. How are Whites gonna understand if they don't listen with an open-mind?
Anyway, on this issue of Nortenos you can't dismiss the Surenos. I pretty much agree with Naner, you can't blame the causes of gangs and their actions on Whites. Although it is understandable to blame the Whites with authority and power (When minorities say Whites, we mean the older generation and those with authority and power) to a certain extent, we as minorities have to stop this racism and hatred amongst ourselves first. One man can't stop gangs, he can help out those that are in his community but he can only do so much. Most gangsters are shallow and closed-minded it's hard to get them to change. What can you do? I also like to point out that rap is mainstream and youngins are easily influenced. What can WE do?
We need more minority leaders, where are the Malcolm X's and the Martin Luther King's in today's society? Why aren't there any? Wasn't it harder to become educated as those past leaders did than it is today? If so then where are these people at if it's not as hard to get educated?
Since you don't know of your bloodline exactly, it's safe to say your are of indigenous ancestry. Why the name WHITE Devil? You lead us on for sometime there.
I noticed but I wonder if Whites on this board ever noticed without it being pointed out.
Yes, Whites have enslaved entire races but I'm not sure if you include the Mexicas in there, because Whites did not enslave them. African Americans were enslaved, the indigenous people of Mesoamerica and South America served the Whites in exchange for holy salvation. The term is called encomienda. The indigenous people and the White Spaniards shared a reciprocal relationship known as encomienda. But the Whites looted the land of most if not all mineral wealth. I'm not saying the indigenous people didn't suffer from Spanish rule, I'm just saying they weren't enslaved like the Africans; where they (Africans) were bought and sold, captured from another continent and forced be slaves in another continent.
As for the dying breed of the Mexica, the Whites didn't kill them per se, most died from the diseases the Spaniards brought from Europe. Although Cortes killed many Mexicas and Tlatelocos, he had help from the Tlaxcalans and could have not done it without their help. I wouldn't necessarily say the Spanish were responsible for the bloody massacre of the Mexicas because Cortes was a wanted outlaw and commited those crimes from his own rule. The King of Spain sent soldiers to capture Cortes but Cortes prevailed. Anyway, just what I learned recently. Cortes covered up his crimes by saying it was a good thing and it was for mineral wealth (king gets good percentage) and the people will be converted (main reason why he was released from a wanted man). White Spaniards are not as ruthless as White English where the W.E. slaughtered the indigenous people of North America and commited genocide. Where as the W.S. wanted to "save" the indigenious of South America by converting them to their religion.
I understand your frustration though, the Mexica culture disappeared and the Nahua language is damn near non-existant; all because the Whites wanted mineral wealth and more subjects for their religion.
Very good point on "latino" gangs contain White blood. But I do see some dark ass Mexicans out there that don't seem to have their blood tainted by Whites. However there are as many White Mexican gangsters as there are Dark Mexican gangsters.
What do you mean by outsider? The majority of this country is White and the majority of this board is White. However I feel the same racism you feel, but the difference is I see more than a handful of people who don't like Asians (most discrimated on this board from Whites, Blacks and Browns, because we are the minorities on this site believe it or not). But I do agree with ya, using those racial terms aren't cool. However I think people use the term white boy on here when they're referring to a specific person and not the all Whites but still it ain't cool. "White boy" IS a racial term, imagine someone calling you Black boy, Brown boy or Yellow boy, for real EVERYBODY gotta stop that racial shit if we ever want to advance. But you gotta keep in mind that this is a gangsta rap site and ignorance is prevalent not bliss. People are accustomed to the term White boy, and they need to change the racial term to White guy or White dude or whatever. I know you as a White man hate being stereotyped as funny as it sounds compared to us minorites; but we are sick of being stereotyped as well, which we have been for centuries by Whites. When minorities use the race card, it's not to cry or whine it's to express our true painful feelings. And Whites get angry and want to shut us up ALL THE TIME. I presume Whites think racism is a cop out or that it doesn't exist as prevalent as it once was, and that that's the reason why it shouldn't be talked about. The fact is it exists today as much as it did a century ago just not as violent, trust me open up your minds. How are Whites gonna understand if they don't listen with an open-mind?
Anyway, on this issue of Nortenos you can't dismiss the Surenos. I pretty much agree with Naner, you can't blame the causes of gangs and their actions on Whites. Although it is understandable to blame the Whites with authority and power (When minorities say Whites, we mean the older generation and those with authority and power) to a certain extent, we as minorities have to stop this racism and hatred amongst ourselves first. One man can't stop gangs, he can help out those that are in his community but he can only do so much. Most gangsters are shallow and closed-minded it's hard to get them to change. What can you do? I also like to point out that rap is mainstream and youngins are easily influenced. What can WE do?
We need more minority leaders, where are the Malcolm X's and the Martin Luther King's in today's society? Why aren't there any? Wasn't it harder to become educated as those past leaders did than it is today? If so then where are these people at if it's not as hard to get educated?
Hmm, I don't know how I feel about what you stated. At first I was just going to post "SPIT THAT SHIT BOY" and end it with that. I agree for the most part of what's been said, but how can you explain minorities who sell to their own people? And brag about it on songs and movies like it's the thang to do?
I feel your argument about how the drugs are brought back into the minority communities but aren't Whites the biggest consumer in drugs? Or am I trippin? Is it even relevent that if Whites are the biggest consumers in drugs? Ok I guess I figured it out, drugs are brought into the minority communities and sold to minorities but Whites are a large part of the sales as well. It's not like you can get drugs from the corner of the suburbs or a white neighborhood. Ok I got it, drugs are readily available in minority neighborhoods where it is not in White neighborhoods making minorities more susceptible to the use of drugs.
The term "Whites" is being used a bit too broad here and I can see some of the White members of the siccness frustrated and when one get's frustrated their mind becomes closed. But is it possible to describe those Whites without being too broad? At least I don't think so...
On yet another note, don't y'all HATE it when one does something wrong and all of a sudden it reflects on the whole race? Well, minorities go through that type of BULLSHIT EVERY FUCKING DAY EVERY FUCKING DAY EVERY FUCKIN DAY GOT DAMMIT.
I feel your argument about how the drugs are brought back into the minority communities but aren't Whites the biggest consumer in drugs? Or am I trippin? Is it even relevent that if Whites are the biggest consumers in drugs? Ok I guess I figured it out, drugs are brought into the minority communities and sold to minorities but Whites are a large part of the sales as well. It's not like you can get drugs from the corner of the suburbs or a white neighborhood. Ok I got it, drugs are readily available in minority neighborhoods where it is not in White neighborhoods making minorities more susceptible to the use of drugs.
The term "Whites" is being used a bit too broad here and I can see some of the White members of the siccness frustrated and when one get's frustrated their mind becomes closed. But is it possible to describe those Whites without being too broad? At least I don't think so...
On yet another note, don't y'all HATE it when one does something wrong and all of a sudden it reflects on the whole race? Well, minorities go through that type of BULLSHIT EVERY FUCKING DAY EVERY FUCKING DAY EVERY FUCKIN DAY GOT DAMMIT.
Cmoke, you're probably wondering why Heresy said what he said. Well, to us when reading your response, the first sentence was enough to say what you had to say. 2nd sentence was unnecessary and you put a lil too much emphasis on those (minorities) using the racial slurs you stated. Yet you didn't put any emphasis on the one individual (most likely White) who started the racial slurs. So although you think there's nothing offensive, there absolutely is. I think you're a good dude with good intentions though.
Really?
Encomiendas is to Aztec/indigenous slavery as plantation/sharecropping/tenant farming is to African slavery. First came slavery in the form of the requirimiento. Encomiendas were then put into place so that you would be freed once you converted to Catholocism. But once you converted to Catholocism you were forced to work the Spanish plantations by the Spanish practice of repartimiento or forced to mine the silver mines. That is slavery. And what happened to the Indians that did not convert?
Have you heard about Padre Miguel Hidalgo? The Mexican declaration of Independance abolished slavery. Or what about the "encomiendas" did to the west indies and cuban populations?
The natives were forced to work. The repartamiento system actually forced native tribes to give a percent of their population to work for the whites. That is enslavement.
Spanish brought disease. Natives died from disease. indirectly or not the Spanish killed the Mexica.
I doubt the Tlaxcalans would be able to take out an empire of MILLIONS with a few hundred Spaniards. It was definitely the disease, not a militaristic alliance that killed the Aztec Civilizartion. Read up on "La noche triste." The aztecs repelled Spanish attacks more than once.
Actually the White English wanted to "save" the Natives via Protestantism. Which was all bunk because all they really wanted was gold, fertile land, and cheap labor. The English killed the "American Indians" the same way the Spanish killed the Mexica. Disease. But I would welcome any proof othewise, because as of yet I have personally found none.
Sell outs. They're doing the white man's work. It's like a house nigger. A house nigger isn't an educated black man. A "gangsta rapper" is more of a house nigger than a black collegiate. Because the gangsta rapper is the one that promotes white ideals. Black on black crime, misogyny, wealth over knowledge, and the spreading of drugs into black communities.
I don't know if you're being facetious or not. But I really don't care what happens in a white community or what they consume.
I am using white as the collective. It's probably unfair, but it's done all the time. Ala the atheist using the collective "Christian."
No collective minority race has ever perpetrated the crimes of the collective white man. My only point.
Encomiendas is to Aztec/indigenous slavery as plantation/sharecropping/tenant farming is to African slavery. First came slavery in the form of the requirimiento. Encomiendas were then put into place so that you would be freed once you converted to Catholocism. But once you converted to Catholocism you were forced to work the Spanish plantations by the Spanish practice of repartimiento or forced to mine the silver mines. That is slavery. And what happened to the Indians that did not convert?
Have you heard about Padre Miguel Hidalgo? The Mexican declaration of Independance abolished slavery. Or what about the "encomiendas" did to the west indies and cuban populations?
The natives were forced to work. The repartamiento system actually forced native tribes to give a percent of their population to work for the whites. That is enslavement.
Spanish brought disease. Natives died from disease. indirectly or not the Spanish killed the Mexica.
I doubt the Tlaxcalans would be able to take out an empire of MILLIONS with a few hundred Spaniards. It was definitely the disease, not a militaristic alliance that killed the Aztec Civilizartion. Read up on "La noche triste." The aztecs repelled Spanish attacks more than once.
Actually the White English wanted to "save" the Natives via Protestantism. Which was all bunk because all they really wanted was gold, fertile land, and cheap labor. The English killed the "American Indians" the same way the Spanish killed the Mexica. Disease. But I would welcome any proof othewise, because as of yet I have personally found none.
Sell outs. They're doing the white man's work. It's like a house nigger. A house nigger isn't an educated black man. A "gangsta rapper" is more of a house nigger than a black collegiate. Because the gangsta rapper is the one that promotes white ideals. Black on black crime, misogyny, wealth over knowledge, and the spreading of drugs into black communities.
I don't know if you're being facetious or not. But I really don't care what happens in a white community or what they consume.
I am using white as the collective. It's probably unfair, but it's done all the time. Ala the atheist using the collective "Christian."
No collective minority race has ever perpetrated the crimes of the collective white man. My only point.
Ok Commando I got ya. Since I'm not an expert and haven't been doing my reading in the texts regarding the happenings post aztec defeat; I'll take your word for it. Can't argue with the disease because it did kill the majority of the indigenous people of Meso/S. America.
Yes the Tlaxcalans could not defeat the Aztec empire with a few hundred Spaniards but they sure did help the Spaniards get there. The Tlaxcalans gave the Spaniards rest, food, information and all of the essentials in having Cortes get to Tenochtitlan bringing his evil and disease. In a way, the Tlaxcalans brought the disease to their homeland rivals. I'm fully aware of "La Noche Triste" and alls I'm gonna say is Cortes was one lucky fuck. I'm sure you know about "Malinalli" and what's his name, the Spanish that shipwrecked and ended up living in Mayan civilization. With those two, the indigenous alliances and last but not least "Ce Alatl" the year Mocehtozuma believed Quetzalcoatl was returning; Without one of these, Cortes could have not done what he had. I know the aztecs along with the tlatelocos had a very good chance of defeating Cortes and his men had it not been for the disease and Cortes not been such a lucky fucker.
The English government offered money for the heads/ears of Native Americans, the Spaniards did no such thing (corect me if I'm wrong). The English took many natives on a journey and offered them no water in the snow and they died of cold, disease and starvation with intent do such things. That was genocide, I forget what the event was called, but there were many events such as that commiting genocide. But Cortes (Not the Spanish Kingdom) commited genocide when he offed the Otomi tribe in Cortes' first encounter with Mesoamerican natives. I still stand by my statement "White English more ruthless than the White Spaniards." Although the White Spaniards were ruthless as well, I'm just saying the W.E. could of cared less if all Natives died.
I was not being facetious, I was asking a question but I guess I answered it. I took a long time thinking before I continued with that paragraph. Why I was asking about the White consumers was because I wanted a better understanding of druglords, did they want minorities to die or did they just want money? I think the White druglords only care about money and not where it goes to, same with the Mexican Mafia. But I see your argument about crooked cops putting the drugs back into the minority community mainly the African American community. Do these crooked cops want the minorities to die or are they doing what they do for the money? I guess both.
"Sell outs. They're doing the white man's work. It's like a house nigger. A house nigger isn't an educated black man. A "gangsta rapper" is more of a house nigger than a black collegiate. Because the gangsta rapper is the one that promotes white ideals. Black on black crime, misogyny, wealth over knowledge, and the spreading of drugs into black communities."
Thanks for answering my question and I'm glad you came with a great thorough answer for everyone to read.
"No collective minority race has ever perpetrated the crimes of the collective white man. My only point."
I see your point, a very great point at that but do the Whites? and can they understand it?
I'm asking questions because I really want to have them answered for the betterment of my understanding and others. Good shit Commando.
Everybody in life sort of clicks up with the people around them and depending on where they live are forced into conflict with other groups of people, its just how it is. I'm not Mexican so I'm just speaking in general, when you are kids people get involved with gangs to fit in to their surroundings alot of the time and people have eachothers backs and thats cool, its good to have people who watch out for you. Thing is there is a time in life where you gotta get your shit together and live yourself an honest life, when people decide to act like they are ignorant to the fact that that way of life isn't what its cracked up to be and remain the same way till they are doing life or dead is when that way of life has to go.
As far as I know Nortenos and Surenos are both trying to promote pride within their people yet are destroying their communities by selling drugs to their own people and killing eachother, it makes no sense. Same goes for alot of black gangs which were originally black power groups which were established to raise awareness and bring people up yet they are also killing their fellow people and putting their communities into deeper perril by selling drugs and promoting a lifestyle that puts their own people in Jail, the grave or addicted to dope.
Yeah I'm white before anyone asks but that doesn't mean I'm ignorent to how other cultures live because all in all we all do the same things. White people do the same thing to eachother too. I see people on here defending the gang lifestyle but what do your parents, grandparents etc think of it? They would probably say something along the lines of what WHITE DEVIL has said in this thread.
To turn this conversation into another "white people have been oppressing people for 100s of years" is a pointless copp out is and completly off topic. Its not like that anymore, sure their are still isolated insidents but all in all I see every race of people as pretty much the same. Everyone just wants to make a decent living so they can have a decent place to live and to feed their kids. Most white people don't like the fat cats in Washington and their bullshit causes either. I'm not about to let anyone try to brainwash me into any bullshit cause like the government, KKK, and older members of gangs are trying to do to kids, they are just polluting kids minds so they can use them as pawns in their quest for power. Its all the same shit
As far as I know Nortenos and Surenos are both trying to promote pride within their people yet are destroying their communities by selling drugs to their own people and killing eachother, it makes no sense. Same goes for alot of black gangs which were originally black power groups which were established to raise awareness and bring people up yet they are also killing their fellow people and putting their communities into deeper perril by selling drugs and promoting a lifestyle that puts their own people in Jail, the grave or addicted to dope.
Yeah I'm white before anyone asks but that doesn't mean I'm ignorent to how other cultures live because all in all we all do the same things. White people do the same thing to eachother too. I see people on here defending the gang lifestyle but what do your parents, grandparents etc think of it? They would probably say something along the lines of what WHITE DEVIL has said in this thread.
To turn this conversation into another "white people have been oppressing people for 100s of years" is a pointless copp out is and completly off topic. Its not like that anymore, sure their are still isolated insidents but all in all I see every race of people as pretty much the same. Everyone just wants to make a decent living so they can have a decent place to live and to feed their kids. Most white people don't like the fat cats in Washington and their bullshit causes either. I'm not about to let anyone try to brainwash me into any bullshit cause like the government, KKK, and older members of gangs are trying to do to kids, they are just polluting kids minds so they can use them as pawns in their quest for power. Its all the same shit
I have a question for you, how long ago did the prevalence of racism end? Were the 1980s THAT long ago? Did the oppression suddenly end? I just want an elaboration of your perception. Btw, did you see MidwestMafia's comments?
In regards to the bolded statement, what do you mean? same as what? Same as everybody? Do you see everybody as equals is that what you're saying? No superiors or inferiors regardless of class level? Regardless of culture? If so I can commend you for that.
In regards to the bolded statement, what do you mean? same as what? Same as everybody? Do you see everybody as equals is that what you're saying? No superiors or inferiors regardless of class level? Regardless of culture? If so I can commend you for that.
