Does Israel Really Have a Right to Exist?

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May 27, 2009
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Freeway Rich said:
The Israelis are running their country and defending it
How are they "defending" their country while wiping out palestinian people by the dozen on a regular basis. They are defending themselves by striking palestinian houses and deploy strong military forces with highly developed weoponry against a civil society which does not even has an army. Come on? Is this called defense? How can you defend yourself using a standing army against civilians fucking up their houses with tanks? This is called terror.
So the Israelis have just decided to start bucking for no reason? It's got nothing to do with suicide bombers or the hundreds of mortars and rockets launched into Israel from people's back yards? It's hardly as one sided as you would like to imagine. If you had a gun would you not use it against an attacker because they only have a knife? Why should Israel be expected to accept attacks without responding?
HERESY said:
There's obviously no need to continue this discussion. When one side has been reduced to personal attacks, name calling, and outlandish accusations, that side has lost it's ability to debate rationally. And thus lost the debate. Cheers.
You were the one who started it, so I'm giving it to you how you want it. Deal with it and exit stage left or right.
Where was this? Can you actually quote where I used personal attacks, name calling, and outlandish accusations? My prediction is that you'll bring up the term "bottle-spinning" and then go into another personal attack. All the while not backing up your statement. What's next, jokes about my mama?
Heresy said:
You've made several false allegations and lies in this thread, the people see them, so I don't have to worry about it.
So are you saying that you're unable to point those lies out? You made an accusation, back it up. "Everyone else knows about it" isn't backing up your statement. You CAN'T back this up because it's false.
Dhadnot said:
Heresy is right, he entered the convo civilly it is you Neshani that started with the bullshit believing you were the authority on this topic here, well someone stepped up and got you on all your bullshit, now you are lying, backpedaling, and pointing fingers, but we are not that stupid.
Maybe you'll be kind enough to quote where I "started with that bullshit". I never claimed to be an authority on this topic, quite the opposite in fact. I've just chosen an unpopular position to defend and it looks like that upsets people.
Dhadnot said:
That's idiocy... no sane person I know would argue with someone who can't see the importance in knowing if the people who currently occupy Israel are Jews are not.
The people currently running Israel are primarily Jewish. If you want blood lines and family trees, you'll have to ask Heresy because I believe this has more to do with distracting from the topic than addressing the topic.
radiostationrep said:
cant we all just get along?
Of course we can. If any of you find yourselves in Germany (Heresy and Dhadnot included) the first round of beer is on me. It may be best to stick to more neutral topics of conversation while drinking though :)
 

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The last run and I'm done.

Where was this? Can you actually quote where I used personal attacks, name calling, and outlandish accusations? My prediction is that you'll bring up the term "bottle-spinning" and then go into another personal attack. All the while not backing up your statement. What's next, jokes about my mama?
You know where you went sideways, I'm not going to give you the satisfaction by pointing it out.

So are you saying that you're unable to point those lies out? You made an accusation, back it up. "Everyone else knows about it" isn't backing up your statement. You CAN'T back this up because it's false.
You know where you went sideways, I'm not going to give you the satisfaction by pointing it out.
 
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So the Israelis have just decided to start bucking for no reason? It's got nothing to do with suicide bombers or the hundreds of mortars and rockets launched into Israel from people's back yards? It's hardly as one sided as you would like to imagine. If you had a gun would you not use it against an attacker because they only have a knife? Why should Israel be expected to accept attacks without responding?
Did you copy and paste words of Israels administration? You must be a jew then ;) If someone stole your land you would fire mortars and rockets into his backyard also. Israel is a terrorist country, their philosophy is that every other country on this planet should bow down to them and if you criticize israel they start point they fingers screaming "anti-semite" and "holocaust-denier" next time you read the news that person died in a car accident (or like Möllemanns parachute did not open OUCH :knockout:)
You come here using the same propaganda as jewish newspapers and israels administration and taking on Heresy but you spread lies. You seems to be the one that is brainwashed here.
 
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Maybe you'll be kind enough to quote where I "started with that bullshit". I never claimed to be an authority on this topic, quite the opposite in fact. I've just chosen an unpopular position to defend and it looks like that upsets people.
I don't mind your position, I just feel you lack certain skills, or are purposefully acting maladjusted to argue your stance. Plus, some of your tactics really insult our intelligence... we can follow text.

If any of you find yourselves in Germany (Heresy and Dhadnot included) the first round of beer is on me. It may be best to stick to more neutral topics of conversation while drinking though :)
Probably Heresy will take you up on your offer, I prefer to vacation in places with more dulcet sounding languages.
 
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I don't mind your position, I just feel you lack certain skills, or are purposefully acting maladjusted to argue your stance. Plus, some of your tactics really insult our intelligence... we can follow text.
Fair enough.
Probably Heresy will take you up on your offer, I prefer to vacation in places with more dulcet sounding languages.
I can't say I'm a fan of the German language either. I still can't really speak it. Luckily Spain and many other destinations are just an hour or two away by cheap flights. Though Germany has proven to be a surprisingly fun place to live (in my experience at least).
 
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Btw, the land was not stole from anyone. The British owned the land. There was a lot of Paltestinian and Jewish fight, they were recovering from WWII, and they pulled out. The second they pulled out, the Jews declared the State of Israel as a democratic Jewish state. Keep in mind, there are no gaps in history, especially regarding boundaries for real estate. The US was the first in the League of Nations to acknowledge the international boundaries followed by USSR ect. ect.

After it was declared a state 6 surrounding arab nations attacked and lost.

So yes, Israel should be it's own state.

Or do y'all think Zimbabwa and Zambia should go back to Rhodesia also?
 
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