Does being educated=being negative?

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When I talk about real shit, people call me negative. In my opinion I am merley being realistic because my stance is based on facts and not opinions.

I think it's impossible to be truly educated and not realize that you can't look at life through rose-colored glasses. Some people enjoy being pacified. I'm not one of them.

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Well, they say "Ignorance is bliss".

I think it also depends on what you are educated in. To a scientist who only studies his particular science, life might be full of interest and surprises, but he may not be aware of his "negative" surroundings.

I think if a person has some knowledge of what is going on in this world, it is difficult for them to maintain positive. For me anyways, I always try to look at the big picture and by doing that I see a lot of pain and suffering. For others, I suppose this isn't much of a problem and they block it out or maybe they just don't give a fuck.
 

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I agree with 206 with the phrase that it depends on what your educating yourself about....Also I think that being "real" is an understood word.....people think because you tell it like it is in a "harsh" form that your being "real" . when being "real" is both neg.and pos. because that is what is "real". Real simple means "truth". I can say I look at life in a "realistic" way. Yes, I have seen my fair share of Neg. but I also have seen some Pos.

Also I think that it depends on how much you wanna see..people will tell you that they search for the positive and truly there actions show diffrent.They are "neg" people because they like that ..it's all they know ( to the simple mind)...just like those people that ask for help and you can give them 3 solutions to there problems and they wont take it....but they still come to you for helpw/the same problem...do they really want the help or are they bullshittn?



someone also told me this "not all knowledge is good knowledge" you have to watch what you feed yourself .
 
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MCLEAN WHY DO YOU TYPE AOL NOW? IT DOESNT FIT YOU. ITS NOT GONNA MAKE PEOPLE AGREE WITH YOU ANYMORE. NO ONE LIKES A YELLING REPUBLICAN. PUT FORTH YOUR POINTS, AND LET THAT DO THE TALKING. THIS ALL CAPS SHIT IS ONLY AN AID WHEN ONE SPEAKS WITH HORRIBLE GRAMMAR AND COMES FROM AOL.
 
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And Hustle, I think it's a given that anyone who seeks reasons for negativity will find them. Anyone slightly educated definitely sees problems with existing systems and actions of people.
 
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Some people prolly go to harvard and have had preppy sheltered live and only learn how to be chemists and mathematicians or english majors and get a good amount of education and still dont realize what your talking about cause they never have been where you have been, and never will be there. Then they raise their kids the same way and never will see it.
 
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WHITE DEVIL said:
MCLEAN WHY DO YOU TYPE AOL NOW? IT DOESNT FIT YOU. ITS NOT GONNA MAKE PEOPLE AGREE WITH YOU ANYMORE. NO ONE LIKES A YELLING REPUBLICAN. PUT FORTH YOUR POINTS, AND LET THAT DO THE TALKING. THIS ALL CAPS SHIT IS ONLY AN AID WHEN ONE SPEAKS WITH HORRIBLE GRAMMAR AND COMES FROM AOL.
the caps are purely accidental 90% of the time. its just that i just from one program where i must use caps to the internet and forget to turn them off.
 
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Does being educated equal being negative? I wouldn't say so. People who are negative are that way because they are not educated. 99% of kids start out wanting to learn as much as they can, but for a lot of them the negative lifestyle takes over and thus they are never educated beyond a fifth grade level.

If you are educated, you have an advantage over a lot of people, and with your knowledge you are free to say whatever you want as long as you can back it up.
 
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If you are educated, you have an advantage over a lot of people, and with your knowledge you are free to say whatever you want as long as you can back it up.
But the more truth you know, the more you learn that most of what you see and hear are lies.

When you try to educate someone on truth and offer them a different perspective, you are considered negative.

People fear focus and direction. They also fear anything that challenges the status quo. I deal in these aspects of life and am considered negative for it.
 
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How sure are you of your own knowledge though Hustle? the way you put it out it often seems as if you feel you have the "end-all" answer or the concrete truth in situations. People do fear the status quo changing, but I disagree that people fear focus and direction. What people fear is a focus or direction they, for some reason, disagree with.
 
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I am an opinionated person. My opinions are based on experience and research. So are most other people's. Some people have a happy-go-lucky life full of life's best circumstances and others don't. Opinions and experiences are relative to a person's life thus far, and mine hasn't been happy-go-lucky. I've also seen how life has hit and fucked up other people and I try to learn from their experiences as well.

Either way, I always enjoy playing the devil's advocate. I ususally argue the other side (the side that the minority generally argues) to any situation whether I completely agree or disagree because you can never know your argument if you don't really understand the other side. Being in radio I am forced look at things from all perspectives and really learn a lot about a lot of different issues.

Which brings me back to the fact that the more you know, the more negative things you see come to the surface. All that glitters ain't gold.
 
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Sergeant Hustle said:

Either way, I always enjoy playing the devil's advocate. I ususally argue the other side (the side that the minority generally argues) to any situation whether I completely agree or disagree because you can never know your argument if you don't really understand the other side. Being in radio I am forced look at things from all perspectives and really learn a lot about a lot of different issues.
But see this is a non sequitur because 1. you are a minority(or at least not full white) or you *identify* minority and 2. depending on the situation and local climate, the "non-mainstream minority view" may actually be the mainstream view.

You could look at the big picture of America and say yes we see this gigantic, patriarchal, racist, oppressive system which squelches the minority viewpoint, the non-Bush viewpoint, the woman viewpoint, etc. However, who today largely influences the politics of America? White males, right? How many white male Republicans would be considered on the cultural "cutting edge"? Who holds more sway in the mind of the people, Chris Rock or Owen Wilson? What kind of culturally or intellectually dominating white men do you see among the youth culture of today? As a matter of fact, do you see a huge amount of white people dominating popular music or film? I don't. Even Justin Timberlake, a highly regarded musician in the pop charts, (haha) is still seen as paling in comparison to black performers. He is kind of "Man Lite", the sweetener with less calories. I personally think he's a fuckin pussy, but mine is a bit more harsh than the general viewpoint.

In any case I'm becoming tangential here. The minority viewpoint is often heard "less", at least in some cases, in our society today. But among mainstream and left-leaning white people, there is a huge realization of this fact, and efforts have and are being put into the correction of this, almost to a point where in literature, music, thought, etc., the 'speaker', and the card that speaker is able to play as a claim to legitimacy, almost matters more now than the message, a kind of cultural affirmative action.

Yes, we have Rush Limbaugh, and Bill O'Reilly, and whoop di whoop, but these guys are slowly on the edge of fading out. New voices will soon emerge, the faces of which very much changing with the times. I almost see your viewpoint- "I am minority I will be and am heard less", as antiquidated. I, as a white male, feel very underrepresented, but not on the basis of race, on the basis of culture. I don't highly identify with hip-hop or rap, and I also am not into the pussy ass whiteboy bands that are on MTV these days. I find nothing of interest on TV, I hear nothing of value on the radio...which leads me here, to the internet, so I can express a viewpoint and filter out what I take in.

On the surface, as a whiteboy, I should look around and say "Hey, this world is geared towards me! This good country is created in my image, and run by my fellow brothers!" But that's not my mindset. One could claim all sorts of advantages I have, all sorts of reasons why I am not disenfranchised or disconnected, but that doesn't mean shit to me. Just as racism is as intangible as a glass ceiling or an inheld view, the "white advantage" and the "white viewpoint" is as far from me as it could be. I scored higher on the SATs than two friends of mine who were Latino, yet I was denied admission to the same college we all applied for. Before I learned to speak well and defend myself, I had to basically sit back and eat shit in class and school, especially when matters of race were discussed.

The area in which I live is very liberal. The teachers in school would go so out of their way to "accomodate" minority students that the students sometimes felt uncomfortable. Some kids took advantage of this fact, but others got the nagging feeling that they weren't being honestly evaluated. My friend once said an answer in class that was such incredible bullshit I had to hold back laughter, and the teacher praised him for it, while gently adding that it was in fact wrong. If it was me or someone else the teacher would have made a funny comment or some such. My friend was very cognizant of this, and it was a source of irritation.

The whole "minority is minority" mentality often produces this same kind of false empathy and uneasy hesitation between black and white people. I've been to jail, I used to sell, I've seen whiteboys who sure as fuck did not grow up in Beverly Hills, or reap any benefits of the white advantage. If you look at most successful black people in any area *besides politics*, they did not "Jesse Jackson" their way to the top. They were just as disconnected as a black person in white america as I am with piercings, satanist beliefs, and thick scars on both wrists. What is really at stake is the New Generation versus the Old. If you want to make it White Vs Black, fuckin Spy vs Spy, you can. The seeds of racial division are latent in our society. Touting the "minority viewpoint", ignoring class, cultural and philosophical divions in society is a prime way to do that.

None of my friends hold the "Black viewpoint", or the "Mexican viewpoint", on anything. We feel that the kind of thick racialism that permeates minority cultures is just as salient as the supposed latent racism of every white person in America. But you can stay in the 70s, or the 80s, with your "minority viewpoint", if you choose to. Being white, I am not a member of some country club that I can just walk right back into when I feel like it. The elite in our society exist to perpetuate their own success, not that of their race. I highly doubt that Bill Gates or Larry Ellison frequently use the "N" word in daily conversation, and daily plot with David Duke to uplift the white race.

Racism is created when minorities ignore commonalities and choose to racialize and segregate themselves because of their marginality and dissolution in society. You can jump on that boat as well, and conjure up more of the white beast you are trying to attack, or you can see that there is a new generation that does not see along color lines, and realize where the real struggle lies.

Believe it or not, this whiteboy feels nothing in common with Bill O'Reilly, and I don't listen to The Goo Goo Dolls, or watch Frasier, or gay ass Friends. And I'm not disconnected because I choose to be...I'm disconnected because I simply am. Through my experience my division is just as imperative and unending than the different skin pigmentations which supposedly divide our society today.

Which brings me back to the fact that the more you know, the more negative things you see come to the surface. All that glitters ain't gold.
If you need reason to worry, or be sad, or be outraged, it will always be there. The collective wail of suffering and injustice in our world is so loud it's deafening. We accept it as an everyday fact of life in the name of our own sanity. So just be American, have a beer, and watch some WWF. The world will be cold, harsh, and cruel in the morning. Thank you, have a nice day.