Do u think Manny Pacquiao is some illegal shit?

[Dirty Nappy]

I hate to say it but YES, why else would somebody pass up $25mil+ on one fight. Not to mention another similar payday if there was a rematch, and again for a rubber match if necessary. You dont throw away up to $100 million dollars. Maywether willing to submit to the test, why not Manny? Like previous dude said, its all about timing, if he can cycle his shit right it wouldnt even show in a test after the fight. I have no other reason to think this other than all the millions left on the table, and that speaks volumes to me.

 

[T-Rip]

a lot of the boxing experts are siding with Mayweather now, i didnt think that would happen

 

[FATAL NYGHTMARE]

Since Fraud just decided to have doubts out of the blue, I can do the same. I am formally accusing Fraud Mayweather Jr. of juicing.

Why not? I have as much evidence against Fraud as fraud has against Manny.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

oooooooK.... That was nothing but hate at it's fullest lol.

there is truth to what he says though, mayweather has always been knwon to numb his hands. Its illegal in some states, legal in others (nevada being one of them).

they talked it about here:




Xylocaine is the numbing agent floyd has been known to inject into his hands.

 

[TLALOC]

Here's a little "light" shed on the pacman Vs. PBF situation.....even though it's already done and gone.......Pay attention to the Teddy Atlas statements i find them interesting and valid questions, i especially like the part where Teddy states "Manny isnt scared of needles cuz last time i noticed him he had tattoos, so he cant be that scared of needles"...Im not going to get into any debate on this situation i just think that it's very interesting especially the e-mails Manny's camp had sent out.........just peep you "real" fans of boxing:

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhfB1IPMi7379Sxqf7

If you had already seen this previously make your opinions heard...I wanna hear what we all think?!?! is it all still PBF fault?! Like most of us are saying or is it more than 50/50?!

 

[2-0-Sixx]

manny not taking the tests cuz he's scared of needles was never an argument though. Pacquiao agreed to take random blood tests and random urine tests during training camp and immediately after the fight. Teddy Atlas was off on his remarks & he needs to step off his soapbox.

the probelm was the cut off date for the random blood tests (not urine). Manny didn't want to give blood drawn close the actual fight, and mayweather did. So that's where the negotations ended.

Regardless, pacquiao agreed to be tested more than any boxer or mma fighter in the history of the sport, so mayweather should have taken what he could have got. The flipside is true for mayweather too - floyd walked away from $25+ million

 

[Sucka Free]

Manny does have a problem with taking blood. I posted this on another thread but heres an interview taken after Manny lost to Morales 4-5 years ago. They made him take blood 2 days before the fight and he felt weak during the fight. He says he didn’t have any power and Morales said he didn’t feel the power punches as well. Its in Mannys head that he gets weak when taking blood.

The interview was taken in the Philippines and not many people know about it. I think Fraud got a hold of this interview and knew he could play mind games with Manny. Frauds scared and needs all the advantages he can get.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4JrQj19R0U&feature=player_embedded

 

[TLALOC]

yes it is true about that morales fight when i was listening/watching but also understand that he basically did what he needed to maintain that weight so he isnt over weight when it comes to weigh ins..With that said blood being taken out with really no hydration and food intake could all of played a part in his "weaker punches", which im sure they did......Manny isnt cutting weight anymore hes fighting obviously in a higher weight class so blood being taken out might be less of a factor now as then.......Manny's corner should know this as well as the rest of us.
but what is done is done...i just blame both sides for not coming to an agreement for this fight.......Im not going to play into this blame "PBF" or "manny" bullshit b/c they both could of simply came to some sort of agreement but didnt!!!!
This fight still needs to happen!

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Ultimately they are both to blame, sure. Manny could have compromised even more than what he was willing to.

Still in the end, imo, Floyd isn't the commissioner of boxing and he shouldn't dictate the rules of boxing. There are already drug tests in boxing and that's the way shit goes and even just the random urine tests are far better than nothing, I mean the head of the Olympic testing agency said himself that urine testing is at this point even better than blood testing. But whatever.

I could imagine if say, Anderson Silva in the UFC was about to fight then demanding his opponent to take Olympic style drug tests. Shit would be a joke, Dana White would be like, "fuck you idiot, you're fighting" and that's that.

Anyways, for the boxing historians Tommy Hearns accused Sugar Ray Leonard of juicing because he said there is no way this little guy can go up so far in weight and be a factor. He tried to make Leonard take additional tests in their rematch fight and in the end leonard laughed it off and tommy was forced to fight him anyway.

 

[Rumpelstiltskin]

I think Manny is on steroids, if he wasn't then he would have agreed to the tests.
Floyd agreed to take the test so that means he has never done steroids.

Those lines are getting really old...

If you are going to accuse someone of anabolic steroids then I suggest you do some type of research on them. I messed up on my last cycle and put on 17 pounds, 10 of which I kept of pure muscle in 4 months. That includes me messing up a couple things. A proper cycle will easily put on 20 pounds. Anything that would make him stronger, would force him to pack on insane weight. Anything that deals with stamina (winstrol, etc.) is not something you can use and then get off of while keeping the endurance benefits. Steroids that deal with endurance are only useful while on them, they do not carry over and are easily traceable.

2-0 you are fighting an up hill battle with these people. Give it up, not worth the text.

 

[theYOCarea]

Well rather he is or is not can be debated forever because no one really knows other then Manny. I tend to lean more towards yes and maybe not steroids but HGH and I have no proof but if I had to choose an option thats where I would stand. The facts are this though, Steroids can be masked, and if you plan right can be timed right so even with the blood test that wouldnt gurantee he wasnt taking anything nor would it gurantee he wasnt (unless he came up positive). The same goes for PBF just because he agrees to take the test doesnt mean he isnt taking them maybe it means he is done taking them.

No one knows and really I believe there are a ton more sports figures that take them and to be honest for the most part I don't have a problem with it. That is a whole other subject that is so far from just a plain black and white issue though but I do know that this fight could have helped boxing a lot.

 

[Rumpelstiltskin]

he facts are this though, Steroids can be masked, and if you plan right can be timed right so even with the blood test that wouldnt gurantee he wasnt taking anything nor would it gurantee he wasnt (unless he came up positive).

It takes 12-16 weeks to run a proper cycle, and you have a full month of therapy after that. So you would need a solid 5 months to run it cleanly. That's why baseball, football, etc players get on as soon as the season is over. Manny Ramirez cut it way too close and got popped during his therapy (running HCG). I don't think boxers like Manny have enough downtime to run a proper cycle. The high profile ones that do, have an insane amount of time between their fights.

It's just how active Manny P is, he doesnt really have the time to run a proper cycle untraced.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

^^not only that, pacquao agreed to a 24 day cutoff for the blood tests. Plus of course getting tested immediately after the fight.

Pacquiao's training camps are 8 weeks.

So that means Pacquiao would be randomly blood & urine tested throughout those 8 weeks up until the 24 day cutoff, then he would be random urine tested up till the fight. Then blood & urine right after the fight.

The final 10-14 days of training camp is the cool down period. That means no heavy lifting, no heavy workouts - just the light stuff, sparring, light running, etc.

So the window of opportunity for Pac to use steroids/hgh is about 10-14 days, depending on when he starts cooling down.

No one uses HGH/Steroids for a one week cycle, that just doesn't make any sense.

IMO floyd should have accepted that, because if anyone in boxing is going to use steroids/hgh, it's going to be in the begging weeks of training camp, not the days right before the fight...

 

[The Duke of Earl]

hgh would be fuckin stupid for boxing also were the fuck is his gh gut ?

 

[bgrumpyp]

This is mayweather's work at its fullest, fans begin to feel confused and question their favorite fighters and buy into the propaganda, smh....

Same thing can be said bout you. Bet your a pac fan(denial)??

I personally like pac even though he did lose that second fight to Marquez. But his fans get on me nerves with that all time greatest boxer shits just funny to me.....back to the steriod question is it really a bad question! Why didn't he just do it? I know hes fan will always make a excuse to why not and the non fans will have they're own thoughts to why he didn't agree.

 

[bgrumpyp]

Well rather he is or is not can be debated forever because no one really knows other then Manny. I tend to lean more towards yes and maybe not steroids but HGH and I have no proof but if I had to choose an option thats where I would stand. The facts are this though, Steroids can be masked, and if you plan right can be timed right so even with the blood test that wouldnt gurantee he wasnt taking anything nor would it gurantee he wasnt (unless he came up positive). The same goes for PBF just because he agrees to take the test doesnt mean he isnt taking them maybe it means he is done taking them.

No one knows and really I believe there are a ton more sports figures that take them and to be honest for the most part I don't have a problem with it. That is a whole other subject that is so far from just a plain black and white issue though but I do know that this fight could have helped boxing a lot.

True, but if he would of just agreed to it there would be no doubt!! Insted he did what was smarter for him and get out that fight maybe hes not ready to be exposed.IMO

 

[MOREBASS]

^ You can see it as not being ready to be exposed, or you can see it as not ready to bend over and let another fighter dictate elements of a fight that fighter's really shouldn't have a say in anyways.


They went about demanding the tests in the wrong way, and it backfired. Period.


The reality of the situation is that you or anyone else can point and say that he is on steroids, or other PED's...but the facts remain the same:

There isn't a shred of evidence via test results, or physical evidence that he is on anything. Period.

 

[FATAL NYGHTMARE]

also understand that he basically did what he needed to maintain that weight so he isnt over weight when it comes to weigh ins..With that said blood being taken out with really no hydration and food intake could all of played a part in his "weaker punches", which im sure they did......Manny isnt cutting weight anymore hes fighting obviously in a higher weight class so blood being taken out might be less of a factor now as then.......Manny's corner should know this as well as the rest of us.

The point is Manny believes it weakens him. Judging by his reaction to Freddie Roach trying to get him off the islands on the Pacquiao/Cotto 24/7 episode, he seems like a stubborn guy. If he believes the drawing of blood will weaken him and he is stubborn, you will not convince him that what's in his head is wrong and he is not willing to risk the fight to find out.

 

[Mayor of Tracy]

The evidence is the majority of major league baseball, and countless other athletes being implicated of using. Manny can thank his fellow professional athletes for this. In this day and age I question everybody. I don't give a fuck. We've been lied to way too many times for me not to have doubts. Anybody that acts like this isn't a valid question is stupid. If the tables were turned and it was nice guy Manny doing this to Floyd and Mayweather was not complying, you know damn well most of you would be singing a different tune.

 

[bgrumpyp]

^^ Its like every top athlete in every sport some how later on on down the road comes out or is exposed. I dont know, but this might just be whats goona happen here.