Do bay producers just bite whats hot at the momment?
- Thread starter Doc Truth
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yep yep and I also add that the bay area has really minimized the broad varity of different styles to accept...it's gotta sound bay to even be accepted out here..if it's just a good song period but don't sound bay cats will not dig it. that's my take...because for one ...I posted a heater of mine called the tenderloin that's spakin the majority of shit posted on here and like 3 replies that's yeah the songs is ok...or I won't hate...now let there be some song with all the bay slang in it but thenigga is weak as shit the replies is yeah it's a slumper oryeah that the slap or whatever......my shit don't sound like the normal bay shit but Im still talkin bout the tenderloin..feel me..some frisco shit....go to http://www.superbmuzic.com/artists.html stroll all the way down and click on O&J...the song is called the Tenderloin..peep this....straight fire word by word story of how it goes down in the Tz. plus the beat is clean as shit but it don't sound like the typical bay shit..
I HAVE TO BE HONEST.. ALOT OF THE PRODUCTION ON THESE SONGS ON THE RADIO SOUND IDENTICAL.
IT'S HARD BECAUSE FROM A BUSINESS PRESPECTIVE YOU HAVE TO TRY TO SOUND LIKE WHAT HOT ON THE RADIO AT THAT POINT IN TIME, BUT FROM AN ARTISTS PERSPECTIVE YOU'RE NOT BEIN TRUE TO YOUR CRAFT IF YOU MIMIC A SOUND.
BUSINESS MOVES VS ARTISTIC INTEGRITY ESSENTIALLY.
I THINK PEOPLE ON HERE SAY THEY MISS THE 90'S BECAUSE THAT WAS THE LAST TIME I CAN REMEMBER WHEN THE BAY HAD IT'S OWN DISTINCT SOUND, VS NOW WHERE A LOT OF ARTISTS ARE LEANING TOWARD SOUNDING LIKE THEIR FROM OTHER REGIONS, (IN PRODUCTION AND STYLE OF RHYMES.)
IT'S HARD BECAUSE FROM A BUSINESS PRESPECTIVE YOU HAVE TO TRY TO SOUND LIKE WHAT HOT ON THE RADIO AT THAT POINT IN TIME, BUT FROM AN ARTISTS PERSPECTIVE YOU'RE NOT BEIN TRUE TO YOUR CRAFT IF YOU MIMIC A SOUND.
BUSINESS MOVES VS ARTISTIC INTEGRITY ESSENTIALLY.
I THINK PEOPLE ON HERE SAY THEY MISS THE 90'S BECAUSE THAT WAS THE LAST TIME I CAN REMEMBER WHEN THE BAY HAD IT'S OWN DISTINCT SOUND, VS NOW WHERE A LOT OF ARTISTS ARE LEANING TOWARD SOUNDING LIKE THEIR FROM OTHER REGIONS, (IN PRODUCTION AND STYLE OF RHYMES.)
THE BAY NEEDS PRODUCERS WHO CREATE THEY OWN STYLE
WHEN A MANNIE FRESH BEAT COME ON, OR ANY HOT BOYS SONG FROM WHEN THEY FIRST WERE TRYIN TO BLOW UP THEY HAD THAT SOUND THAT WAS DISTINCT, YOU KNOW ITS A DOWN SOUTH SONG JUST BY THE WAY THE SNARE HIT. AND THEY THE ONES THAT MADE THE CLAP SO POPULAR.
THE BAY NEEDS A STYLE THAT WHEN PEOPLE HEAR IT, YOU KNOW IT"S A CERTAIN TYPE OF SONG, THEN JUST THROW SOME CATCHY BAY SLANG ON THEIR AND YADdAMEEN YOU GOT A HIT.
WHEN A MANNIE FRESH BEAT COME ON, OR ANY HOT BOYS SONG FROM WHEN THEY FIRST WERE TRYIN TO BLOW UP THEY HAD THAT SOUND THAT WAS DISTINCT, YOU KNOW ITS A DOWN SOUTH SONG JUST BY THE WAY THE SNARE HIT. AND THEY THE ONES THAT MADE THE CLAP SO POPULAR.
THE BAY NEEDS A STYLE THAT WHEN PEOPLE HEAR IT, YOU KNOW IT"S A CERTAIN TYPE OF SONG, THEN JUST THROW SOME CATCHY BAY SLANG ON THEIR AND YADdAMEEN YOU GOT A HIT.
THE THING ABOUT BAY SHIT NOW IS THAT EVEN IF YOU MAKE A FUCKIN SLUMPER.
NOT EVEN EVERYONE IN THE BAY IS GUNNA LIKE IT. ONLY FANS OF GANGSTA BAY RAP ARE GUNNA FEEL IT. THATS A LOTTA FOLKS IN THE BAY. BUT SHIT NOT ENOUGH OBVIOUSLY. THE PEOPLE IN THE BAY WHO LIKE THE COMMERCIAL RAP DONT REALLY LIKE THAT BAY SHIT. (their are exceptions) EVERYONE IS ABOUT THEIR MONEY, SO FOLKS AINT BUYIN THAT MANY CD'S WHEN IT"S EASY TO GET THE SINGLES FOR FREE. THATS WHY YA BOY SOLD 2000 records.... THE NEW BAY MOVEMENT DIDNT WORK. TRY AGAIN. WE NEED SOME TUPAC TYPE POETRY REAL SHIT OVER CLEAN MUSICAL BEATS. AND BEFORE YOU DROP A SOLO ALBUM GET ON 3 BIG SONGS WITH SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY IN THE GAME. SO PEOPLE KNOW YOUR NAME. AND IF YOU CANT GET ON SOME FEATURES WITH BIG NAMES, THEN YOU SUCK ANYWAY AND YOU NOT GUNNA MAKE IT
NOT EVEN EVERYONE IN THE BAY IS GUNNA LIKE IT. ONLY FANS OF GANGSTA BAY RAP ARE GUNNA FEEL IT. THATS A LOTTA FOLKS IN THE BAY. BUT SHIT NOT ENOUGH OBVIOUSLY. THE PEOPLE IN THE BAY WHO LIKE THE COMMERCIAL RAP DONT REALLY LIKE THAT BAY SHIT. (their are exceptions) EVERYONE IS ABOUT THEIR MONEY, SO FOLKS AINT BUYIN THAT MANY CD'S WHEN IT"S EASY TO GET THE SINGLES FOR FREE. THATS WHY YA BOY SOLD 2000 records.... THE NEW BAY MOVEMENT DIDNT WORK. TRY AGAIN. WE NEED SOME TUPAC TYPE POETRY REAL SHIT OVER CLEAN MUSICAL BEATS. AND BEFORE YOU DROP A SOLO ALBUM GET ON 3 BIG SONGS WITH SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY IN THE GAME. SO PEOPLE KNOW YOUR NAME. AND IF YOU CANT GET ON SOME FEATURES WITH BIG NAMES, THEN YOU SUCK ANYWAY AND YOU NOT GUNNA MAKE IT
i don't wanna speak for no one
but i've heard a lot of Sean T's beats, and he's got shit of so many styles but it's the artists that pick the same beats
i remember being at his studio and a number of cats called that day asking for HYPHY type beats, this was when hyphy first got big
so it's not neccesarily the producers, it's us artists picking the same beats from them, and ignoring their whole arsenal
but i've heard a lot of Sean T's beats, and he's got shit of so many styles but it's the artists that pick the same beats
i remember being at his studio and a number of cats called that day asking for HYPHY type beats, this was when hyphy first got big
so it's not neccesarily the producers, it's us artists picking the same beats from them, and ignoring their whole arsenal
The Bay functions like a mini mainstream. When Kanye came with those sped up soul samples, all of a sudden every mainstream artist had a few on their album. You couldn't listen to a mainstream artists album without hearing a chipmunk beat. But that's the A&Rs at the record companies requesting that stuff from the producers, because the label execs are putting pressure on the A&Rs to come with whatever is selling at the moment. The Bay has finally caught up to this concept. Producers in the bay are sampling now (weren't doing this before). Producers in the bay are synthing us to death right now too - which is killing me. But hey, that's what all of pop music is doing right now. At least the producers in the Bay Area are sort of in line with mainstream folks.
Lil Jon recently put Scott Storch on blast for that Chris Brown song he (Storch) produced - saying he (Storch) bit his (Jon's) style. It has all of the basic elements of that Usher song (Yeah!) that Lil Jon produced. I'm willing to put money on the fact that that was a label thing. The execs at Jive, to them, have their very own Usher-style artist so why not try to recreate one of the biggest hits of the last 5 years. Makes sense, don't it? That's all the Bay Area is doing, just trying to break through using the familiar sound that's going on right now.
There are just soooooo many rappers out here. Think about it - 3 years ago, you had a flooded Bay Area rap market. It was flooded but it wasn't annoyingly flooded because cats (more or less) sounded different. But now, you have an even floodeder (had to make up a word) Bay rap market and EVERYBODY is using the same type of sounds in their tracks. It probably seems like you're hearing the same song over and over and over, but you're not. You're just hearing everybody use those same as synth patches over and over and over and over. ...
Lil Jon recently put Scott Storch on blast for that Chris Brown song he (Storch) produced - saying he (Storch) bit his (Jon's) style. It has all of the basic elements of that Usher song (Yeah!) that Lil Jon produced. I'm willing to put money on the fact that that was a label thing. The execs at Jive, to them, have their very own Usher-style artist so why not try to recreate one of the biggest hits of the last 5 years. Makes sense, don't it? That's all the Bay Area is doing, just trying to break through using the familiar sound that's going on right now.
There are just soooooo many rappers out here. Think about it - 3 years ago, you had a flooded Bay Area rap market. It was flooded but it wasn't annoyingly flooded because cats (more or less) sounded different. But now, you have an even floodeder (had to make up a word) Bay rap market and EVERYBODY is using the same type of sounds in their tracks. It probably seems like you're hearing the same song over and over and over, but you're not. You're just hearing everybody use those same as synth patches over and over and over and over. ...
All yall make some good points. I'm not saying "Go back to the 90's" or I wish it was the 90's all over again. I dont. I'm speaking on the Originality of that era. You had cats with distinct sound. Khyree, Digital Underground, etc etc. Its like everybody is so obsessed with making it big fast they just morph into whats hot right now because these crackas in suits have pumped trash into the younger crowds head.
I think the bay needs to just not give a fuck about whats hot and make tracks like we know how. I'm sure big von will play it if its hot. It dont have to have a Trance/Rave synth with a 808 Drum kit all the time. The team sound so much better over sampled beats rather than these clone ass get drunk in the club songs that everybody and their mom is doing now. How many times can people mention the word "Club" in their songs. I remember niggas dancing to Slow shit freakin hoes to songs like Rappin 4 tay's "Aint no playa", in the club. Shit was not forumulated.
I think the bay needs to just not give a fuck about whats hot and make tracks like we know how. I'm sure big von will play it if its hot. It dont have to have a Trance/Rave synth with a 808 Drum kit all the time. The team sound so much better over sampled beats rather than these clone ass get drunk in the club songs that everybody and their mom is doing now. How many times can people mention the word "Club" in their songs. I remember niggas dancing to Slow shit freakin hoes to songs like Rappin 4 tay's "Aint no playa", in the club. Shit was not forumulated.
It is what it is man. But what can you do? Not you personally just a figure of speech...
Doc Truth, make your point without using the past as a crutch cause these cats around here will automatically try to discredit you by attacking the fact that you mentioned the 'glory days' of the bay.
How many times can people mention the word "club" in their songs?? I've been askin that same question for 3 years, lol. I'll tell you what a homie told me though and it made a lot of sense "a lot of this music today is more about relating to who is buying it. That's why you don't have to be as talented as b4".
Agree??
Doc Truth, make your point without using the past as a crutch cause these cats around here will automatically try to discredit you by attacking the fact that you mentioned the 'glory days' of the bay.
How many times can people mention the word "club" in their songs?? I've been askin that same question for 3 years, lol. I'll tell you what a homie told me though and it made a lot of sense "a lot of this music today is more about relating to who is buying it. That's why you don't have to be as talented as b4".
Agree??
Not to nitpick but Kanye did not start that. Guys like Ayatollah and RZA (among others) had been doing that for a minute. And Bay music has always had samples (listen to old Digital Underground, Too Short, Pac, Heiro, 4tay, Blegit, 40, etc...), but yeah we are more known for phat analog sounds and what not.
Overall I see what you are saying though, and for the most part everyone here is making good points. What gets me though is when dudes step out the box and come up with something different, they get blasted...the general public wants what's hot. It's a catch-22...smart business vs. artistic integrity.
And just to reiterate what dude said, it's also what beats the rappers decide to choose. Many rappers don't want to take a chance on something different.
Overall I see what you are saying though, and for the most part everyone here is making good points. What gets me though is when dudes step out the box and come up with something different, they get blasted...the general public wants what's hot. It's a catch-22...smart business vs. artistic integrity.
And just to reiterate what dude said, it's also what beats the rappers decide to choose. Many rappers don't want to take a chance on something different.