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The assault upon Fallujah, 40 miles from Baghdad, took place over a two-week period last November. US commanders said the city was an insurgent stronghold. Civilians were ordered to evacuate in advance. Around 50 US troops and an estimated 1,200 insurgents were killed. How many civilians were killed is unclear. Up to 300,000 people were driven from the city.
If an enemy army literally 100x stronger than the band of thugs currently controlling my city told me to get the fuck out--thats about exactly what I would do!

It is simply not accurate to say they "attacked civilians". What they did attack was a mix of insurgents, and civilians who refused to leave the city. You could even take it a step further, and call them sympathizers.

If every journalist arrested in Cuba is part of a US conspiracy, then verily it is possible that the Insurgents kidnapped and forced women and children, at gunpoint under threat of death, to stick around during the battle, knowing that their eventual death or injury would do nothing but help the terrorist cause once it was played up in the media as a "civilian massacre".
 
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Report on the Falluja Battle, includes the use of WP
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/2005/2-2AARlow.pdf

I recomend reading the whole thing (very dry though), but for the lazy:

b. White Phosphorous. WP proved to
be an effective and versatile munition.
We used it for screening missions at
two breeches and, later in the fight, as a
potent psychological weapon
against
the insurgents in trench lines and spider
holes when we could not get effects on
them with HE. We fired “shake and
bake” missions at the insurgents, using
WP to flush them out and HE to take
them out.

c. Hexachloroethane Zinc (HC) Smoke
and Precision-Guided Munitions. We
could have used these munitions. We
used improved WP for screening missions
when HC smoke would have been
more effective and saved our WP for
lethal missions.
 
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Did i forget to mention, Iraq and United States, BOTH, didn't sign Protocol 3, so the entire "war crimes" argument is irrelevant in the first place?

http://www.icrc.org/Web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/iwpList444/31CB28DD880A3601C1256B6600594CCF


Edit: See, here:
he documentary, entitled Fallujah: the Hidden Massacre, also provides what it claims is clinching evidence that incendiary bombs known as Mark 77, a new, improved form of napalm, was used in the attack on Fallujah, in breach of the UN Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons of 1980, which only allows its use against military targets.
Hard to breach something you never signed in the first place.
 
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Imagine....

a 4 yr old distant relative of yours....
Their family is so poor w/ no resources or ability to flee their city... (if it's too hard, think back to the Katrina evacuee's who were also told to leave, they wanted, but no means were provided or available)...

Now, back to the 4 yr old, it's late one January evening, he's all tucked into bed curled up in his 'Johny Chimpo' pajama's, sound asleep.... then.... BOOM.... PUFFFF

operation 'Shake n Bake' right over his house, disintegrating his skin, leaving his clothes virtually fully in tact covering his charred bones/leather like skinned body...

You're right b/c neither party signed an agreement, these actions are totally justifiable (what a despicable perspective, and lack of moral concern for your fellow human being, you should pray your for your enemies to have such compassion for you)

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I repeat for one, "Hard to breach something you never signed in the first place."

And for the second, you obviously are sticking to your story told by pundits and false journalists, instead of listening to the words COMING DIRECTLY FROM WEAPONS SPECIALISTS, that say WP DOES IN FACT burn through clothing.

As for your shit about not having the means to evacuate.....300K did so. You mean to tell me in your example this is some kind of MEGA-impoverished family, and the other 300K were only SUPER-impoverished and still able to do so?

Everything you are saying right now is cut and chopped up, and it is sickening. Be thorough.
 
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Israel suspected of using white phosphorous

By El Mundo
Republished from El Mundo
Suspicions that Israel has used illegal white phosphorous

Beirut – A group of international doctors will examine samples of some Lebanese victims from Israel’s bombings to determine what product caused abnormal wounds, according to the Lebanese radio station Futuro.

Some of the hospitalized present burns in the bones, but not on the skin, something that the Lebanese doctors, who have worked in numerous battles, consider abnormal.

The Medical College of Lebanon decided to solicit, once the existence of the abnormal wounds were confirmed, foreign analysis given the impossibility to carry it out in the country, whose health centers are overloaded with work.

Various doctors who work in the south Lebanon hospitals explained during the week that some of the victims of the bombings presented “wounds never seen” and expressed lack of knowledge of the product that could have caused such wounds.

The Lebanese press already denounced last week that the Israeli military was using white phosphorous bombs (prohibited by international legislation) in its attacks.

White phosphorous is a yellowish substance that burns when exposed to oxygen at a temperature of more than 30 degrees [centigrade], and the fire it causes is difficult to extinguish and leaves a heavy smoke.
-- end excerpt --
Click here to read the rest of the article

Ironic if true, is it not JoMoDo?
 
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swoop187 said:
If the US is so fucking evil why didnt they just drop some atomic bombs on Iraq, I mean if they dont care about civilians. Wouldnt that be allot easier?
For the same reasons the US didn't drop nukes on Vietnam.

It wouldn't really "win the hearts of minds" of the iraqi's or the rest of the world, would it?
 
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swoop187 said:
Oh so your saying thats the only reason? Civilians have nothing to do with it?
Nope. International outcry is the main reason they wouldn't do it, not because of high civilian deaths. Obviously the US didn't care about the civilian death toll in Vietnam, Laos or Cambodia since the causalities were in the millions. Obviously they don't care about the civilian death toll in Iraq since they don't even take the time to record civilian deaths and since they use depleted uranium (and of course phosphorous).
 
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2-0-Sixx said:
Nope. International outcry is the main reason they wouldn't do it, not because of high civilian deaths. Obviously the US didn't care about the civilian death toll in Vietnam, Laos or Cambodia since the causalities were in the millions. Obviously they don't care about the civilian death toll in Iraq since they don't even take the time to record civilian deaths and since they use depleted uranium (and of course phosphorous).
So basicly your saying that our entire government Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians are all sociopaths? Because only a sociopath wouldnt care about civilians.

Oh and another thing....you keep on saying all these harsh things without any fucking proof what so ever to back up your bullshit. Your nothing more then a propaganda spewer.
 
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swoop187 said:
So basicly your saying that our entire government Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians are all sociopaths? Because only a sociopath wouldnt care about civilians.
Just so you know...Kerry and Bush...are both members of the Skuul & Bones society...a society closely related to "illuminati type" society's...so you tell me..would it have mattered if Kerry was in office as opposed to Bush?

Oh and another thing....you keep on saying all these harsh things without any fucking proof what so ever to back up your bullshit. Your nothing more then a propaganda spewer.
Theres MORE than plenty of info you can CHOSE to peep....i can link youto several videos that can give you "alternative" info on the current state of the US and the history...no to mention a JFK conspiracy thats more fact than fiction...scary comes to mind....
 
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Oh Coy!Ocerto said:
Just so you know...Kerry and Bush...are both members of the Skuul & Bones society...a society closely related to "illuminati type" society's...so you tell me..would it have mattered if Kerry was in office as opposed to Bush?



Theres MORE than plenty of info you can CHOSE to peep....i can link youto several videos that can give you "alternative" info on the current state of the US and the history...no to mention a JFK conspiracy thats more fact than fiction...scary comes to mind....
Who cares about the damn skull n bones or Illuminati? all it is is a country club for "special" people. Where do you expect these high profile people to hang out? the local McDonalds? lol. Is it a little bit wierd? yea but do they controll the world from that little room? NO.
 
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swoop187 said:
So basicly your saying that our entire government Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians are all sociopaths? Because only a sociopath wouldnt care about civilians.
I never said that, but I did say they do not care about civilian deaths when it comes to war.

Oh and another thing....you keep on saying all these harsh things without any fucking proof what so ever to back up your bullshit.
I always back my shit up with sources.

On page one I provided links and sources as well as video and pictures to the topic at hand.

On this page of the thread I provided a link to the source of the article I posted regarding Israel.

And just so you know I know what I'm talking about,

According to your favorite site wikipedia, 2–4 million Vietnamese civilians died in the Vietnam war.

In addition, the U.S. killed an estimated 600,000 civilians in Cambodia and another 350,000 in Laos during the Vietnam war.

Info regarding depleted uranium in Iraq:

SeattlePI

BBC News

newscientist

Christian Science Monitor
 

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swoop187 said:
Who cares about the damn skull n bones or Illuminati? all it is is a country club for "special" people. Where do you expect these high profile people to hang out? the local McDonalds? lol. Is it a little bit wierd? yea but do they controll the world from that little room? NO.
You idiot, the skull & bones is not a "country club" that people visit. In fact, the skull and bones isn't even a place. The skull and bones is a FRATERNITY.

ONCE AGAIN STOP SPEAKING ON SUBJECT MATTER YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT!

CTFU@THE SKULL AND BONES BEING A COUNTRY CLUB OR PLACE TO HANG OUT!!!!!!! :dead: x swoop
 
May 9, 2002
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HERESY said:
CTFU@THE SKULL AND BONES BEING A COUNTRY CLUB OR PLACE TO HANG OUT!!!!!!! :dead: x swoop
What are you talking about?Swwop and Bigfoot were there last week...he even got the Pope to sign up...he'll be jumped in next month....

He signed them up for the bi-yearly Skull N' Bones Fantastic Golf Tournament Of Death!!!!Swoop has never lost...OBVIOUSLY!
 
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I can tell everyone on here that the US uses White Phospherus on a regular basis because i'm Field Artillery in the Army and we keep that shit stocked on the gunline at all times.

The Army's excuse for using it is to use it as a smoke round, we've used alot of WP during smoke missions, but what always has made me wonder, in my 2 years in Field Artillery is why in the fuck they would use WP as a smoke round when we have plenty of HC Smoke on hand. I personally know the whole smoke excuse is bullshit and the smoke missions we do with WP is just a cover for the fact that they always want WP on the gunline to be used as a weapon.

We've actually trained using WP as a weapon in a firemission that is nicknamed "Shake and Bake".

Basically we "shake" em with WP then "bake" em with a HE(high explosive) round.
An update to this White Phospherus thread. It was hilarious going back to this thread and reading what I typed about how I trained for that shit then a few months later I actually ended up in Afghanistan from February 2006 to June 2007. During that 16 months we actually did probably about 100 seperate Fire Missions using White Phospherus as a weapon, including dropping that shit into a cave complex onto retreating enemies. Infantry just kept chasing them down then calling us for more rounds.

Don't let the media fool you into thinking the US fights clean. We fight just as dirty, if not dirtier sometimes.

Anyway, if your bored, discuss, if not oh well...
 
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An update to this White Phospherus thread. It was hilarious going back to this thread and reading what I typed about how I trained for that shit then a few months later I actually ended up in Afghanistan from February 2006 to June 2007. During that 16 months we actually did probably about 100 seperate Fire Missions using White Phospherus as a weapon, including dropping that shit into a cave complex onto retreating enemies. Infantry just kept chasing them down then calling us for more rounds.

Don't let the media fool you into thinking the US fights clean. We fight just as dirty, if not dirtier sometimes.

Anyway, if your bored, discuss, if not oh well...
Thanks for the update about the really real.