Dangerous ignorance: The hysteria of Kony 2012

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1. Do you seriously think the approach in the video you posted can feed tens of millions of people on the southern fringes of the Sahara?

2. Do you even understand what the word "sustainablity" means. That's a rhetoric question, we have long ago established that you have absolutely no idea what it means, but it needs to be pointed out again

3. You "green the desert" in three ways. You either concentrate the rainfall in some way, or you divert rivers, or you pump fossil aquifers. For the Sahel, the first approach does not work at all because it is a flat plain so there are few places where you can build dams, not that there are major rivers to build them on other than Niger, and on top of that rainfall is very seasonal and temperatures are very high, so evaporative losses are huge, even if you build them. And most importantly, there isn't that much rainfall to begin with. So that doesn't work. Diverting rivers is highly undesirable as the Soviet experience in Central Asia has shown, so that idea is a non-starter. Tapping fossil aquifers is the definition of unsustainability because those are usually gone in a few decades. The Saudis were self-sufficient in grain for a few decades after they decided to use their oil-drilling experience to drill for water. But that water is now depleted and they are back to importing food. One of the major accomplishments of the Khadafi regime was tapping the waters of the Nubian Sandstone Aquifer in the southern parts of the country. But that water will too be gone by the end of the century too. What happens then?

Which brings us to the last, and most important point:

4. Every scheme we come up with to feed the people we can not feed today has one and only one possible result if it is successful - it magnifies the problem. Because once you can feed X number of people, in a culture of high fertility and low development, the population will qucikly reach and exceed that level and then you have an even bigger problem that you had before. That's the main reason why sending food aid is a futile and from a long-term perspective, actually harmful activity - because it temporarily keeps alive people who simply shouldn't exist in those regions. Places like Niger simply can not feed themselves but have a TFR of 6 or 7, and there is a major famine crisis every other year (this year too). Why is that?

And the same reasoning applies to the planet as a whole - every scheme we come up with to prop up the unsustainable a little bit longer only results in us becomening even more unsustainable and makes the eventual and inevitable crash even bigger. Yet the techno-utopians prefer to live in denial.
What part of locally grown, low energy, high yield farming...utilizing the principles found in nature would you consider UNsustainable? Ever heard of micro-climate?

You aren't really a scientist are you? Probably a computer scientist?
 

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Once again, you either didn't read what I posted or if you did, you completely failed to understand it.

Yes, local agriculture is what eventually we will have to do, and it will have to be integrated within the local ecosystem. Which, BTW, is a bit different from the way you seem to see it, but let's, for the sake of the argument assume we mean the same thing.

Do you seroiusly think this can feed the current population, especially in places like the Sahel? With an ever-expanding population?
 
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I think on one hand you really can't argue with the SUCCESS of the actual marketing campaign. I think that type of campaign will be able to be reintroduced over and over again to the general public, whether the issue is oil drilling, dictators, etc.

Obviously the general consensus of the public now is "how much of this is really true" and "how much of a ride" were we taken on?

Even larger I think, is the general idea that a bunch of rich liberal white people somehow changed Uganda, and the general consensus there seems to be "no." But one thing that they did take a lot of credit for in their documentary was getting American advisers over there. Given the whole premise "no one cares about Africa" and dictators that don't harm US interest, it wouldn't be out of the ordinary to think that some type of lobbying took place to make that happen. But going full circle, how effective are the American advisers really? It seems like they were put there AFTER the bulk of the conflict took place. Was it American advisers by way of KONY protestors who made the changes there? Probly not.
 
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Once again, you either didn't read what I posted or if you did, you completely failed to understand it.

Yes, local agriculture is what eventually we will have to do, and it will have to be integrated within the local ecosystem. Which, BTW, is a bit different from the way you seem to see it, but let's, for the sake of the argument assume we mean the same thing.

Do you seroiusly think this can feed the current population, especially in places like the Sahel? With an ever-expanding population?
A million pounds of food can be grown on 3 acres and support 550 people. How much desert do they have? As long as it's less than 183.3 people per acre, yes...I do think it can feed them, along with other things.
 

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A million pounds of food can be grown on 3 acres and support 550 people. How much desert do they have? As long as it's less than 183.3 people per acre, yes...I do think it can feed them, along with other things.
It seems to be beyond your ability to comprehend that the surest way to kill the human species is to convert the planet into one giant human feeding lot....
 
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It seems to be beyond your ability to comprehend that the surest way to kill the human species is to convert the planet into one giant human feeding lot....
Right, because people die when they have healthy organic food. Gotcha, comrade.

In the countries where people have the most food, reproductive rates are below replacement rate. It is the unfed and uneducated, who reproduce at such a rapid rate. Even Cuba, where they grow organic food every place where it can be planted is only reproducing at a 1.44 children per family, below replacement rate.

Everything you say seems to revolve around the idea that humans are some sort of disease. It is actually just reinforcing my personal view that Statism is the most dangerous religion on Earth. So, thank you sir.
 

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Most of the countries that are currently well fed would be completely unable to support their population if they had to rely on their own resources. That's a very poor argument