(((D-MAN - DEBUT OF A D-MAN)))(((BOOTLEG IS OUT THERE!!!)))
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Since I've been in this thread, imma stay in here and fight corners.
Mikal: was sold a bootleg. Mikal knows what the authorised copy looks like.. Those involved putting it out and "putting it out" are both his homies and deny it's authenticity.
dopeseller: You've innocently bought a cd, and unknowingly sold it on shaky grounds.
Mikal: To be fair, dopeseller didn't know (he got it of a guy outta Wisconsin) and you can probably sell it on for just as much.
dopeseller: If mikal can't get the sale, you might wanna go see Mark Richards for a reimbursement & compensate Mikal. Mikal knows what this cd is all about. And it aint fair.
This ain't medalling, this resolution cause this shit is out there now, and people wont trust you if you don't resolve it. Believe me.
I'd be pissed if i broke bread for a bootleg when I was told it was OG. Just some cats know a little more about certain titles ya dig. It ain't his fault nor yours, but it ain't a sound transaction.
EDIT Dopeseller: Mikal, by the sounds of it, DOESN'T want this cd to circulate again. That's why he's not sellin it on & doesn't want to give it back to you. D-Man is his homie, some of the TRIPPS fam is his homies. Get ur money back offa Mark Richards for bein a bootleg supplier. Tell him the cdr is destroyed by D-Man's fam. U could get him on a VeRO violation from eBay if that's where u got it from. I'm sure with that threat he wouldn't want the trouble & will refund you.
EDIT: If trust is the major issue here, ask for it to be sent back, strike big x's across it in marker, and send it back to him. Then no one will want that shit!
Mikal: was sold a bootleg. Mikal knows what the authorised copy looks like.. Those involved putting it out and "putting it out" are both his homies and deny it's authenticity.
dopeseller: You've innocently bought a cd, and unknowingly sold it on shaky grounds.
Mikal: To be fair, dopeseller didn't know (he got it of a guy outta Wisconsin) and you can probably sell it on for just as much.
dopeseller: If mikal can't get the sale, you might wanna go see Mark Richards for a reimbursement & compensate Mikal. Mikal knows what this cd is all about. And it aint fair.
This ain't medalling, this resolution cause this shit is out there now, and people wont trust you if you don't resolve it. Believe me.
I'd be pissed if i broke bread for a bootleg when I was told it was OG. Just some cats know a little more about certain titles ya dig. It ain't his fault nor yours, but it ain't a sound transaction.
EDIT Dopeseller: Mikal, by the sounds of it, DOESN'T want this cd to circulate again. That's why he's not sellin it on & doesn't want to give it back to you. D-Man is his homie, some of the TRIPPS fam is his homies. Get ur money back offa Mark Richards for bein a bootleg supplier. Tell him the cdr is destroyed by D-Man's fam. U could get him on a VeRO violation from eBay if that's where u got it from. I'm sure with that threat he wouldn't want the trouble & will refund you.
EDIT: If trust is the major issue here, ask for it to be sent back, strike big x's across it in marker, and send it back to him. Then no one will want that shit!
You'd have to be the one with the unauthorised press though. If you are uncertain of Mr Mikal's claims, plead with midwest_rapz to corroborate which one is the real deal. Cause duke was sellin em back in '04.
Im sure it don't matter too much, but wasn't TRIPPS mainly on bloods. And where, the fuck have you seen any affiliation between them and FYPA cats (crips) over the years? It don't add up at a glance.
I guess the real issue here is that you think Mikal will sell it on regardless, and his claims to keep it out of awareness are.. LOL.. insincere. Make sure the disc gets scanned, photo'd, then cross it with marker for dopeseller to see.
Did you already know it was a fake? What pics were available on the auction. Cause really, u wouldn't notice at 1st glance if it's just the cover pic offered.
Im sure it don't matter too much, but wasn't TRIPPS mainly on bloods. And where, the fuck have you seen any affiliation between them and FYPA cats (crips) over the years? It don't add up at a glance.
I guess the real issue here is that you think Mikal will sell it on regardless, and his claims to keep it out of awareness are.. LOL.. insincere. Make sure the disc gets scanned, photo'd, then cross it with marker for dopeseller to see.
Did you already know it was a fake? What pics were available on the auction. Cause really, u wouldn't notice at 1st glance if it's just the cover pic offered.
I already resolved the problem refunding 10$ to this rat, but the only thing I'm not agree with him is that he bidd on this cd he really know and got (so he can easily see with my front cover that it's a different press).
And why to bidd without asking me any question about the back cover and the cd scann.
At the end, he get that cd for 5 or 10$ and now he's still asking me for a feedback on ebay.
A lot of big collectors said me to take care about his auctions and his repressed shit.
Now I only want one thing, to never buy or sell anything to this rat.
And why to bidd without asking me any question about the back cover and the cd scann.
At the end, he get that cd for 5 or 10$ and now he's still asking me for a feedback on ebay.
A lot of big collectors said me to take care about his auctions and his repressed shit.
Now I only want one thing, to never buy or sell anything to this rat.
If he wants to keep it why should you have to refund anything? Either he sends it back and gets a refund or he keeps it and pays what he paid. Thats business, fuck wanting it too circulate and all that shit, if he wants it he pays what he bid, if he doesn't have him send it back and refund the money. Its really simple
^^ that's very true, cause it ain't like he doesn't want it.
Dopeseller you did good mane, don't worry. Mikal doesn't sell bootlegs though. Don't know where you heard that from.. He may have gotten repesses / new batches of classic releases from local artists (speculation) but he doesn't bootleg.
shiiit im sure all my Marlon Money new releases circa '02 are Japanese represses. I ain't seen em nowhere else, but shit they're still worth what I paid.. i'm 99.9% sure they were official though.
Thing is, SO MANY rap releases have been put out & repressed on bad terms, and it's usually someone involved with the artist/label/management etc. who does it. DFM - Ghetto Politics, never meant to be pressed, OZ- Ozone (CDR version) never meant to be pressed, im sure there's 100 more stories where some member of a group decided to run off w/ the masters and use it as his solo cd or some shit, or 1 half of a rap duo decides to repress some shitty greenback cdr and he gets all the proceeds
Dopeseller you did good mane, don't worry. Mikal doesn't sell bootlegs though. Don't know where you heard that from.. He may have gotten repesses / new batches of classic releases from local artists (speculation) but he doesn't bootleg.
shiiit im sure all my Marlon Money new releases circa '02 are Japanese represses. I ain't seen em nowhere else, but shit they're still worth what I paid.. i'm 99.9% sure they were official though.
Thing is, SO MANY rap releases have been put out & repressed on bad terms, and it's usually someone involved with the artist/label/management etc. who does it. DFM - Ghetto Politics, never meant to be pressed, OZ- Ozone (CDR version) never meant to be pressed, im sure there's 100 more stories where some member of a group decided to run off w/ the masters and use it as his solo cd or some shit, or 1 half of a rap duo decides to repress some shitty greenback cdr and he gets all the proceeds
What?
What is all of this? Man, I leave for a day and come back to this? Are you serious Dopeseller?
1st... I never mentioned your name in this thread and made sure that everybody understood that I didn't think that you had anything to do with this. I made sure that I did not misrepresent you or our business dealings in no way, shape of form. Why this all of the sudden?
2nd...I don't get down like that. I don't have to cheat you to beat you. You act as if I did something to you and you didn't agree to the terms. Me and you both agreed to the price (That we settled on and I told you why I wanted to keep the copy. Lord knows that I keep all versions of any and all titles. This is why I know the difference and this is how I educate other collector's and sellers about fakes/bootlegs. I gave you the opportunity to allow me to send it back or to work out an agreement/mutual agreement on the price of the CD. You agreed to it. How I'm the bad guy now? How does that happen?
3rd...Where do you get all of this I heard, she said, he said that MrMikal bootlegs anything? Do you actually think that I would want to bootleg a bootleg that I already exposed? Now does that even make sense to you? Where is the logic to that?
What is all of this? Man, I leave for a day and come back to this? Are you serious Dopeseller?
1st... I never mentioned your name in this thread and made sure that everybody understood that I didn't think that you had anything to do with this. I made sure that I did not misrepresent you or our business dealings in no way, shape of form. Why this all of the sudden?
2nd...I don't get down like that. I don't have to cheat you to beat you. You act as if I did something to you and you didn't agree to the terms. Me and you both agreed to the price (That we settled on and I told you why I wanted to keep the copy. Lord knows that I keep all versions of any and all titles. This is why I know the difference and this is how I educate other collector's and sellers about fakes/bootlegs. I gave you the opportunity to allow me to send it back or to work out an agreement/mutual agreement on the price of the CD. You agreed to it. How I'm the bad guy now? How does that happen?
3rd...Where do you get all of this I heard, she said, he said that MrMikal bootlegs anything? Do you actually think that I would want to bootleg a bootleg that I already exposed? Now does that even make sense to you? Where is the logic to that?
Sippy, you're incorrect. The Trips are Crips not bloods (Johnny "Pedro" Williams aka Trip 1 doesn't bang anymore. He's doing positive things with the youth and the community these days. His brother Pierre is still in the Feds).The gang affilation has nothing to do with the 2 record labels. The Tripps never had anything to do with this project PERIOD. That was my only point. 2 Different crews & sets. They were never business partners.
Lol! Just wanted to make sure that you had the right info Sippy. You know how we do. Lol! You're always good with me.
A: I bid on your item because like I said...I was trying to be greedy by trying to keep these CD's on lock. Next thing you know...I got done in with a bootleg that I had never seen. I head of it, but never seen it in person. I've seen it on a Japanese auction site that Ced P, put me up on. I mentioned this on the first page of this thread. Please read, before you ask. Sometimes the answer to your question are right in your face. I can admit to trying to lock/corner the market, but that's what businessmen do.
A: I never posted your auction pictures. Check the pictures. I posted a scans of my OG copy and your bootleg copy. Like I said before...you apparently didn't have any clue about your copy being a bootleg.
A: I'm asking everybody for feedback. I usually do that once a month. Sometimes I forget. I asked you for feedback, because I thought that we settle this little ordeal like gentlemen and moved on. Like I said I never even mentioned your name, so why would you be mad and me and not want to leave feedback? You're the one who exposed yourself. Nobod knew who wold me this CD until now. Well, all that I have to say to that is..."SURPRISE"!!! I don't know why you're all bent out of shape? Do you? I do know this...you apparently didn't settle this with yourself.
The Lord knows that I don't get on this site and act like a girl and put people on front street. Matter of fact, I tell people all of the time that it's not wise to make moves like that, because it's not coo' nor does it help this community of collectors. Basically we're supposed to be men here and that's bitch move in my book, so I don't do that. Others may think that is a good look for them, but I don't work like that. If I have a problem with a person, I pull them to the side and talk to them like a man. I don't need an audience. The few times that you may have seen me go off on somebody, was because I was defending myself after they tried put me on front street. I never start fights. I finish them. I don't need a crowd and I don't have shit to prove. I'd rather knock niccas out in silence. That way the crowd doesn't know what happened and they can't give a witness statement to the police. I don't want the crowd to pull me off of somebody. I want you to know that you got this ass whoopin'. This way you know what it is the next time I see you. Lol! but true! I rather fuck somebody up and walk away like shit didn't happen.
I don't understand this whole feedback fiasco. What's wrong with asking a person for feedback when the situation was supposed to have been settled? I didn't have hard feeling towards you. Why do you have them for me. We made a settlement amount and agreed upon it, so why are we here? I really don't understand what your problem is. Do you?
I'm not about to justify who I know, who I don't know and all of that bullshit. Besides do you think that a man like myself who's almost 35 year old with kids hangs out on the block everyday with old friends. Especially with other grown men who are focused on the same thing as me...our family's? I see this man when I run into him. I don't keep D-man in my back of my pocket. He ain't paying my bills and I'm not paying his. We're grown. This isn't the early '90's anymore. I'm not fresh out of high school with no life or anything to do. I have responsibilities and he's not one of them. I don't know each and every move that he makes. Nor do I care. We work and go through life just like you. When I do get a chance to run into/see Cuzz, we talk about life, family, old times (including my little sister & him since they used to date each other). We don't talk about music and what's his latest project is. We're real friends, not some Artist and a groupie ass fan. What do you think this is? Shit I go months, sometimes years without seeing old friends.
Moving on to other points that need to be made...
Man, if you bought something and thought that it was one thing, only to find out that it wasn't what you thought it was...That's okay. I understand that. I've done that too. Shit, it happens to the best of us. Why be mad at me? I didn't do it to you.
I created this thread as an opportunity to educated and let my fellow collectors and sellers know what was happening out there. Nothing more nothing less.
Isn't that what this forum is supposed to be about? I swore that it wasn't for bickering, hating on the next man, worrying about the next man nor catching feelings over mistakes that we have no control of. I come here to network, do business, share ideas and information. That's it.
Like you even said: , so why are we having this discussion? We both agreed. Why am I a rat? I really don't understand you. Man, you must be a lonely tormented soul.
Normally, I would go off on you and calling you a girl, bitch and all types of names for scorn women. I do that to people who act in a hateful and unflattering manner. Especially if someone tries to front on my with no justification. However, I'm really not trippin. I'm not about to waste my time and energy on something that I never took personal in the first place. You shouldn't take it personal either. Take it for what it is. It's simply a lesson to be learned.
I still don't have ill feeling towards you. No, I don't understand your point with all of this riff raff, but I'm not mad at you. I'm just telling you that you need to be pointing your anger in the right direction. That's the person who sold you the CD. Y might even want to point your anger at yourself for putting yourself on display (Like I said...I never mentioned your name. You did). What would be the purpose of me doing something like that? Nothing. I really wish that you nor this situation would've even gotten to this point.
I'm sorry that you feel the way you do, because I'm so not deserving of those feelings that you have shared with the world. I never expected it nor wanted this. Sorry for asking you for feedback. It was supposed to be settled and finished.
I wish you nothing but good luck in the future. Thank you for your time and understanding. Have a good day.
P.S. Don't be so quick to judge a person. I'm not the bad guy that some people want to paint me as.
Lol! Just wanted to make sure that you had the right info Sippy. You know how we do. Lol! You're always good with me.
A: I bid on your item because like I said...I was trying to be greedy by trying to keep these CD's on lock. Next thing you know...I got done in with a bootleg that I had never seen. I head of it, but never seen it in person. I've seen it on a Japanese auction site that Ced P, put me up on. I mentioned this on the first page of this thread. Please read, before you ask. Sometimes the answer to your question are right in your face. I can admit to trying to lock/corner the market, but that's what businessmen do.
A: I never posted your auction pictures. Check the pictures. I posted a scans of my OG copy and your bootleg copy. Like I said before...you apparently didn't have any clue about your copy being a bootleg.
A: I'm asking everybody for feedback. I usually do that once a month. Sometimes I forget. I asked you for feedback, because I thought that we settle this little ordeal like gentlemen and moved on. Like I said I never even mentioned your name, so why would you be mad and me and not want to leave feedback? You're the one who exposed yourself. Nobod knew who wold me this CD until now. Well, all that I have to say to that is..."SURPRISE"!!! I don't know why you're all bent out of shape? Do you? I do know this...you apparently didn't settle this with yourself.
The Lord knows that I don't get on this site and act like a girl and put people on front street. Matter of fact, I tell people all of the time that it's not wise to make moves like that, because it's not coo' nor does it help this community of collectors. Basically we're supposed to be men here and that's bitch move in my book, so I don't do that. Others may think that is a good look for them, but I don't work like that. If I have a problem with a person, I pull them to the side and talk to them like a man. I don't need an audience. The few times that you may have seen me go off on somebody, was because I was defending myself after they tried put me on front street. I never start fights. I finish them. I don't need a crowd and I don't have shit to prove. I'd rather knock niccas out in silence. That way the crowd doesn't know what happened and they can't give a witness statement to the police. I don't want the crowd to pull me off of somebody. I want you to know that you got this ass whoopin'. This way you know what it is the next time I see you. Lol! but true! I rather fuck somebody up and walk away like shit didn't happen.
I don't understand this whole feedback fiasco. What's wrong with asking a person for feedback when the situation was supposed to have been settled? I didn't have hard feeling towards you. Why do you have them for me. We made a settlement amount and agreed upon it, so why are we here? I really don't understand what your problem is. Do you?
I'm not about to justify who I know, who I don't know and all of that bullshit. Besides do you think that a man like myself who's almost 35 year old with kids hangs out on the block everyday with old friends. Especially with other grown men who are focused on the same thing as me...our family's? I see this man when I run into him. I don't keep D-man in my back of my pocket. He ain't paying my bills and I'm not paying his. We're grown. This isn't the early '90's anymore. I'm not fresh out of high school with no life or anything to do. I have responsibilities and he's not one of them. I don't know each and every move that he makes. Nor do I care. We work and go through life just like you. When I do get a chance to run into/see Cuzz, we talk about life, family, old times (including my little sister & him since they used to date each other). We don't talk about music and what's his latest project is. We're real friends, not some Artist and a groupie ass fan. What do you think this is? Shit I go months, sometimes years without seeing old friends.
Moving on to other points that need to be made...
Man, if you bought something and thought that it was one thing, only to find out that it wasn't what you thought it was...That's okay. I understand that. I've done that too. Shit, it happens to the best of us. Why be mad at me? I didn't do it to you.
I created this thread as an opportunity to educated and let my fellow collectors and sellers know what was happening out there. Nothing more nothing less.
Isn't that what this forum is supposed to be about? I swore that it wasn't for bickering, hating on the next man, worrying about the next man nor catching feelings over mistakes that we have no control of. I come here to network, do business, share ideas and information. That's it.
Like you even said: , so why are we having this discussion? We both agreed. Why am I a rat? I really don't understand you. Man, you must be a lonely tormented soul.
Normally, I would go off on you and calling you a girl, bitch and all types of names for scorn women. I do that to people who act in a hateful and unflattering manner. Especially if someone tries to front on my with no justification. However, I'm really not trippin. I'm not about to waste my time and energy on something that I never took personal in the first place. You shouldn't take it personal either. Take it for what it is. It's simply a lesson to be learned.
I still don't have ill feeling towards you. No, I don't understand your point with all of this riff raff, but I'm not mad at you. I'm just telling you that you need to be pointing your anger in the right direction. That's the person who sold you the CD. Y might even want to point your anger at yourself for putting yourself on display (Like I said...I never mentioned your name. You did). What would be the purpose of me doing something like that? Nothing. I really wish that you nor this situation would've even gotten to this point.
I'm sorry that you feel the way you do, because I'm so not deserving of those feelings that you have shared with the world. I never expected it nor wanted this. Sorry for asking you for feedback. It was supposed to be settled and finished.
I wish you nothing but good luck in the future. Thank you for your time and understanding. Have a good day.
P.S. Don't be so quick to judge a person. I'm not the bad guy that some people want to paint me as.
Here's the link to his auction.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260510598631
and here a screen cap as well:
As you can see, it only has a picture of the front insert. Nothing else. You're right. How was I to know at first glance. If he would've put pictures of the tray card, the inside of the front insert and disc...I would've known immediately.
Like I said. I knew as soon as I seen it in person.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260510598631
and here a screen cap as well:
As you can see, it only has a picture of the front insert. Nothing else. You're right. How was I to know at first glance. If he would've put pictures of the tray card, the inside of the front insert and disc...I would've known immediately.
Like I said. I knew as soon as I seen it in person.
I know. I even said that when I started the thread (Read page 1 of the thread). I was sticking up for him and everything. I didn't even mention his name, because I had no intent on making anybody look bad.
This is the thanks that I get when I worry about more than just myself. I got a person who blames everything and everybody. Some of this was out of his control. I understand that, but for him to continue on as if I were the one who did him wrong, it were my fault that he bought and sold a bootleg and as if he didn't agree to the settlement terms. That's just plain ole' messed up.
Some people just have it out for me no matter what I do. I can't help somebody that is fixated on making me out to be the bad guy.
I don't want to sell it. What would be the point in selling a bootleg. The very same bootleg that I exposed? The X's across it really is null & void point at this time.
He really didn't help anybody, but my by posting our conversation. As you can see...I haven't changed my position in any of my statements. I'm very consistent with my statements. He just provide more proof of my integrity. That's all. I really don't get his thinking at this point of time.
This is the thanks that I get when I worry about more than just myself. I got a person who blames everything and everybody. Some of this was out of his control. I understand that, but for him to continue on as if I were the one who did him wrong, it were my fault that he bought and sold a bootleg and as if he didn't agree to the settlement terms. That's just plain ole' messed up.
Some people just have it out for me no matter what I do. I can't help somebody that is fixated on making me out to be the bad guy.
I don't want to sell it. What would be the point in selling a bootleg. The very same bootleg that I exposed? The X's across it really is null & void point at this time.
He really didn't help anybody, but my by posting our conversation. As you can see...I haven't changed my position in any of my statements. I'm very consistent with my statements. He just provide more proof of my integrity. That's all. I really don't get his thinking at this point of time.
That may be very true in your opinion Basment and I due respect that, but as you can see he quoted me and my explanation to him. Here a copy and past of what I said to him and he agreed too:
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Like I told you. I want to keep this CD for teaching purposes. Therefore I don't want all of my money back. I offer that you refund me $10. I plan on using this and other CD's in my blog once, I get it going. I want my blog to become a bible for collectors. I want to provide a place where collector & sellers alike can go to and find out the differences between bootlegs, 1st pressing, 2nd pressing and etc. I really only want to find a fair price for something that was not what I was expecting to get. I thank you for your honesty and willingness to work this out. Let me know what you think is the best solution and we both can take it from there. I would spend more money then the CD is worth to send it back to you with registered mail and you will have a CD in your possession that isnt worth anything. Especially now that people have seen and know the difference. I know that you want to protect your reputation, just like I do. Therefore I believe that its best if we settle on a $10 refund.
The major point of me pointing this out is the fact that it would have financially made since for me to send it back to him overseas when I would have to prove that he got it back. I would have had to purchase regular 1st class mail + Plus Registered Mail. This way I can prove that he did indeed receive the item back to him. That along would of cost me around $20 or more. So it more sense for us to make an agreement on a settlement price. He and I both agree and that should have been the end to this. We shouldn't even be discussing this right now as I write.
Like I said I agree with your position, however please look at the fact that I had to make a good situation for both of us. I wasn't the person who stated and I quote, "All OF THE CDS AND TAPES IN MY AUCTIONS ARE GUARANTEED TO BE ORIGINALS AND NOT BOOTLEGGED CDRS!" in my auction.
He guaranteed it, so he needed to back that. Thankfully he did.
Really I have no complaints and was never trippin'. Apparently that is not the case for him.
That was a $10 refund and he kept $5.50 + $7.50 in shipping. That was a total of $13 that he kept.
I know you feel me on that Basement? He can't be mad at something that he agreed too.
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Originally Posted by sincere View Post
Like I told you. I want to keep this CD for teaching purposes. Therefore I don't want all of my money back. I offer that you refund me $10. I plan on using this and other CD's in my blog once, I get it going. I want my blog to become a bible for collectors. I want to provide a place where collector & sellers alike can go to and find out the differences between bootlegs, 1st pressing, 2nd pressing and etc. I really only want to find a fair price for something that was not what I was expecting to get. I thank you for your honesty and willingness to work this out. Let me know what you think is the best solution and we both can take it from there. I would spend more money then the CD is worth to send it back to you with registered mail and you will have a CD in your possession that isnt worth anything. Especially now that people have seen and know the difference. I know that you want to protect your reputation, just like I do. Therefore I believe that its best if we settle on a $10 refund.
The major point of me pointing this out is the fact that it would have financially made since for me to send it back to him overseas when I would have to prove that he got it back. I would have had to purchase regular 1st class mail + Plus Registered Mail. This way I can prove that he did indeed receive the item back to him. That along would of cost me around $20 or more. So it more sense for us to make an agreement on a settlement price. He and I both agree and that should have been the end to this. We shouldn't even be discussing this right now as I write.
Like I said I agree with your position, however please look at the fact that I had to make a good situation for both of us. I wasn't the person who stated and I quote, "All OF THE CDS AND TAPES IN MY AUCTIONS ARE GUARANTEED TO BE ORIGINALS AND NOT BOOTLEGGED CDRS!" in my auction.
He guaranteed it, so he needed to back that. Thankfully he did.
Really I have no complaints and was never trippin'. Apparently that is not the case for him.
That was a $10 refund and he kept $5.50 + $7.50 in shipping. That was a total of $13 that he kept.
I know you feel me on that Basement? He can't be mad at something that he agreed too.
End of the day...
At the end of the day...This was supposed to have been done and dealt with. Why did I even have to break this down?
Like I said...I'm not mad at you, but why are you so mad at me? Why are you coming out of left field calling me a Rat, Lying and saying that I bootleg and plan on bootlegging a bootleg that you sold to me. Don't tell me what a lot of people say. A lot of people say a lot of shit when don't understand why they don't like a person.
Really, all I want to know is why? What's the reason for the treason?
At the end of the day...This was supposed to have been done and dealt with. Why did I even have to break this down?
Like I said...I'm not mad at you, but why are you so mad at me? Why are you coming out of left field calling me a Rat, Lying and saying that I bootleg and plan on bootlegging a bootleg that you sold to me. Don't tell me what a lot of people say. A lot of people say a lot of shit when don't understand why they don't like a person.
Really, all I want to know is why? What's the reason for the treason?
Sorry but my english is so bad but if I was as good as you to talk about this case, I'll do it to let everybody understand everything.
1st you said that you didn't mentionned my name in this thread but a lot of collectors which follow auctions, saw it in my thread here in Siccness Classified and on ebay 4 weeks ago when I was selling it.
2nd you said that you didn't misrepresent you but here is your feedback even if it's a positive feed:
Wasn't the OG, but nontheless the seller backed his product and took care of me
Which means that I'm selling bootleg cds so you are msirepresentin me writing this. It's not my fault if I sold you a cd I bought from this Wisconsin seller.
1st you said that you didn't mentionned my name in this thread but a lot of collectors which follow auctions, saw it in my thread here in Siccness Classified and on ebay 4 weeks ago when I was selling it.
2nd you said that you didn't misrepresent you but here is your feedback even if it's a positive feed:
Wasn't the OG, but nontheless the seller backed his product and took care of me
Which means that I'm selling bootleg cds so you are msirepresentin me writing this. It's not my fault if I sold you a cd I bought from this Wisconsin seller.
So I'm the bad guy cause I sold you a cd I bought from another USA seller.
I never heard of any repress of this cd and saw this cd for sell on Japan from big collectors there and I never saw your version, here is a link from a japan seller which sell the cd I sold you for +200$:
http://www.mbok.jp/item/item_189389200.html
I never heard of any repress of this cd and saw this cd for sell on Japan from big collectors there and I never saw your version, here is a link from a japan seller which sell the cd I sold you for +200$:
http://www.mbok.jp/item/item_189389200.html
We didn't agree to settle on a 10$ refund but I was a little bit forced to refund those 10$. I received something like 4 or 5 messages in the night asking about this refund and I tought it's better to give you those 10$, then you'll stop spamming me with all your mails talking about educating collectors, buying cds to control the market.....
Here's the link to his auction.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260510598631
and here a screen cap as well:
As you can see, it only has a picture of the front insert. Nothing else. You're right. How was I to know at first glance. If he would've put pictures of the tray card, the inside of the front insert and disc...I would've known immediately.
Like I said. I knew as soon as I seen it in person.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260510598631
and here a screen cap as well:
As you can see, it only has a picture of the front insert. Nothing else. You're right. How was I to know at first glance. If he would've put pictures of the tray card, the inside of the front insert and disc...I would've known immediately.
Like I said. I knew as soon as I seen it in person.
And when I sold the cd, I posted a more large front cover here on my siccness thread.
So I have one question, you know that it's a bottlegg when you was bidding on my item or when you seen it in person? Cause here is what you answered me on ebay when I asked you about your bidd:
Received: Jan-02-10
Quote:
Originally Posted by sincere View Post
I wasn't saying that you bought if from a Japanese website, I said that it's the same fake/bootleg version that is found on Japanese Auctionhouses. 2nd, I bought it to lock up the copies. This way I can control the market....
Like I said...
Like I said before...you only continue to show and tell "My" truth with you words and captions. I'm not going to argue with you. It's pointless at this time.
Some way or another you're going to think that you're the victim anyways. Poor little you. Go ahead and tell yourself and others that mrmikal was the one who mad you sell a CD that wasn't OG (Regardless of whether you knew or not) as you stated in your listing. Mr. Mikal was the one who forced you to refund him $10. Mr. Mikal was the person who dug up this thread and told the world that it was you who sold mrmikal the item in question. Mr. Mikal was the person who controls any and all of your actions. That's right folks...according to you, I'm the mastermind/the guy who played puppet master for all of your actions.
Once again, Sincere is the bad guy who's hypnotizes people and somehow controls the minds of others and this whole laughable fiasco.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I get it. It's always that Big Mean Ole', Greedy, Bootlegging mrmikal's fault.
Yep, that's me. I did everything.
Wow! You are something special.
There is no point in talking to you or about this topic any further.
The record shows who did what. I believe that it's quite obvious at this point of time.
mrmikal did it huh? Lol! It's whatever you like my man. I'm done.
If anybody would to comment on this topic...you're more then welcome. I have no problem. I would really, like to hear what the people have to say. Before you do comment, please go back and read the Original Thread and the rest of the thread.
Other than that...this is a dead topic for me. The guy doesn't have a responsible bone in his body. It's everybody else fault. No...I correct that...It's Mr. Mikals fault! LMAO!
Like I said before...you only continue to show and tell "My" truth with you words and captions. I'm not going to argue with you. It's pointless at this time.
Some way or another you're going to think that you're the victim anyways. Poor little you. Go ahead and tell yourself and others that mrmikal was the one who mad you sell a CD that wasn't OG (Regardless of whether you knew or not) as you stated in your listing. Mr. Mikal was the one who forced you to refund him $10. Mr. Mikal was the person who dug up this thread and told the world that it was you who sold mrmikal the item in question. Mr. Mikal was the person who controls any and all of your actions. That's right folks...according to you, I'm the mastermind/the guy who played puppet master for all of your actions.
Once again, Sincere is the bad guy who's hypnotizes people and somehow controls the minds of others and this whole laughable fiasco.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I get it. It's always that Big Mean Ole', Greedy, Bootlegging mrmikal's fault.
Yep, that's me. I did everything.
Wow! You are something special.
There is no point in talking to you or about this topic any further.
The record shows who did what. I believe that it's quite obvious at this point of time.
mrmikal did it huh? Lol! It's whatever you like my man. I'm done.
If anybody would to comment on this topic...you're more then welcome. I have no problem. I would really, like to hear what the people have to say. Before you do comment, please go back and read the Original Thread and the rest of the thread.
Other than that...this is a dead topic for me. The guy doesn't have a responsible bone in his body. It's everybody else fault. No...I correct that...It's Mr. Mikals fault! LMAO!