(((D-MAN - DEBUT OF A D-MAN)))(((BOOTLEG IS OUT THERE!!!)))

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I ALREADY HAD 4 COPIES OF, "D-MAN - DEBUT OF A D-MAN". I HAVE A SEALED COPY IN MY PERSONAL COLLECTION AND ONE TO SELL. I HAVE ALREADY SOLD 2 OF THEM. I'VE HAD MY COPIES SINCE THIS ALBUM FIRST CAME OUT. MY POTNA D-MAN AKA DERRICK CAME INTO MY UNCLE'S STORE (SPIN RECORDS) AND PUT THEM IN HIS STORE ON CONSIGNMENT BACK IN THE DAY. WE/ I HAD MY COPIES SINCE THEN.

OKAY, I'VE BEEN AWARE OF THIS ALBUM BEING BOOTLEGGED FOR SOME WHILE NOW, BECAUSE I'VE HAD PEOPLE ASK ME ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST. I'VE ALSO SEEN IT ON A CERTAIN JAPANESE AUCTION-HOUSE THAT MY BOY CED-P, PUT ME UP ON MONTHS BACK. I ENDED UP GETTING ONE OF THESE BOOTLEGS IN ERROR. I BOUGHT IT FROM A PERSON WHO I BELIEVE THAT HE DIDN'T KNOW THAT THIS CD WAS A BOOTLEG, NOR DOES/DID HE HAVE ANY TRUE KNOWLEDGE OF THIS CD VERSION BEING OUT THERE IN INTERNET LAND. THIS PERSON IS A PERSON WHO IS A TRUSTWORTHY PERSON, BUT SHIT HAPPENS. HE BOUGHT IT OFF OF SOMEBODY AND THEN SOLD IT TO ME.

I BOUGHT ANOTHER COPY OF THIS ALBUM, BECAUSE I'M A SELLER AND I LIKE TO HAVE MORE COPIES TO SELL IN THE FUTURE, PLUS I LIKE TO HAVE CERTAIN TITLES ON LOCK. YEAH, YEAH, I KNOW...I'M GREEDY. LOL!

YES, THIS SELLER IS ON EBAY & THE SICCNESS.NET. I'M NOT MENTIONING HIS NAME, BECAUSE IT'S NOT MY STYLE, I DON'T THINK THAT HE DID IT ON PURPOSE, HE'S NOT THE ACTUAL PERSON WHO BOOTLEGGED THIS ALBUM, NOR IS IT MY POINT TO ACT LIKE A BITCH ASS NICCA LIKE A LOT OF OTHERS ON THIS SITE HAVE DONE TO ME. MY POINT IS TO EDUCATE THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW ANY BETTER. THIS INCLUDES SELLER & COLLECTORS ALIKE. WE ALL CAN LEARN MORE.

ANY HOW THESE BOOTLEGGERS WENT SO FAR THAT THEY ACTUALLY HAD THIS CD PRESSED UP ON GLASS MASTER DISC'S, EVEN THOUGH THE OG ALBUM WAS AND ALWAYS WILL BE A CD-R RELEASE. YES, THAT'S RIGHT. MY BOY D-MAN, PUT IT OUT ON CD-R. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU'RE DEAD BROKE, DUE TO YOU SPENDING ALMOST 10 YEARS IN A FEDERAL PENITENTIARY. YOU GO BROKE AND YOU DON'T HAVE THE MONEY THAT YOU USE TO HAVE, BEFORE YOU WENT INTO THE PEN. THAT'S LIFE.

ANY HOW LET ME BREAK THESE CD'S DOWN. BEFORE I GET STARTED... WANT TO BREAKS SOME THINGS DOWN. I PUT MY USER NAME ON THE OG VERSIONS PICTURES, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO HELP THE BOOTLEGGERS CORRECT THEIR ERRORS! LOL! BUT TRUE!!!

HERE'S THE BREAK DOWN:


1. FRONT COVER:

OG: YOU CAN SEE BEHIND D-MAN.
BOOT: ALMOST MISSING THE BACK OF HIS HEAD.

OG: YOU CAN SEE THE PILLARED RAILS NEXT TO D-MAN AND THE GIRL.
BOOT: YOU CAN'T SEE THE PILLARED PORTION OF THE RAILS NEXT TO D-MAN AND THE GIRL.

OG: CLEARER PICTURE AND IT'S IN THE REGULAR SIZE.
BOOT: BLURRY INSERT/PIXEL ARE SEEN, DUE TO PICTURE SIZE BEING BLOWN UP.

2. INSERT:

OG: TRACK LISTING HAS 5 TRACKS LISTED (WILL EXPLAIN WHY LATER).
BOOT: TRACK LISTING HAS 7 TRACKS LISTED (WILL EXPLAIN AS STATED ABOVE).

OG: DOESN'T HAVE TRIPS ENTERTAINMENT LOGO ON THE INSERT, BECAUSE THIS ALBUM WASN'T DISTRIBUTED BY TRIPS ENTERTAINMENT. THIS CD WAS DISTRIBUTED AND MADE BY D-MAN'S STANKIN PRODUCTIONS ONLY!!!
BOOT: HAS TRIPS ENTERTAINMENT LOGO ON THE INSERT AND TRAY CARD, BUT NON OF THE WORD'S/TEXT STATES SUCH. THE CD, INSERTS NOR TRAY CARD STATE THAT IT WAS DISTRIBUTED BY "TRIPS ENTERTAINMENT", BECAUSE THE TRIPS DIDN'T DISTRIBUTE THIS ALBUM. MATTER OF FACT..."TRIPS" ENTERTAINMENT ONLY PUT OUT ONE ALBUM. THAT ALBUM WAS, "G.SOM'S FIRST ALBUM CALLED, "WHO'S GOT MY BACK" AND A TAPE SINGLE/DISS TOWARD DJ QUIK CALLED CUICIDE!!!

I BELIEVE THAT WHO EVER CREATED THIS BOOTLEG THAT THEY USED THE LOGO TO ONE OF THE "G.SOM - WHO'S GOT MY BACK" CASSETTES THAT I SOLD. I SAY CASSETTE, BECAUSE I HAD 4 OF THE CD. ONE CD IS MY COLLECTION STILL SEALED, I SOLD 2 OF THEM ON EBAY AND THE SAME BUYER BOUGHT BOTH OF THEM (WESTBANKLOVER) AND THE LAST COPY THAT I HAVE IS STILL UP FOR SALE ON EBAY RIGHT NOW! I SOLD A LOT OF CASSETTE TAPES TO A LOT OF PEOPLE, BUT MAINLY BUYERS IN JAPAN.

OG: YOU CAN SEE THE COLORS IN THE BACKGROUND OF THE OG. YOU CAN SEE THE PINKISH CIRCULAR SHINE/SPARKLE IN THE TOP LEFT CORNER. YOU CAN ALSO MAKE OUT THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT GREY CLOUDS IN THE SKY AND THE SPARKLE IS THE SUN BREAKING THROUGH THE CLOUDS.
BOOT: YOU CAN'T SEE THE CIRCULAR SPARKLE/SHINE AND YOU DEFINITELY DON'T SEE THE COLOR. YOU CAN'T TELL THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT CLOUDS. SHOT...YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S IN THE BACK GROUND AT ALL.

OG: THE FONT OF THE TRACK LIST MATCHES THE FONT OF "DEBUT OF A D-MAN"
BOOT: THE FONT ON THIS TRACK LIST DOESN'T EVEN COME CLOSE.

OG: CONTACT INFORMATION INCLUDES D-MANS PHONE NUMBER "(720) 317-7345.
BOOT: CONTACT INFORMATION IS MISSING D-MANS PHONE NUMBER AND HAS MESSED UP/DIFFERENT FONTS WHERE IT STATES WHERE THE ALBUM WAS RECORDED AT AND PRODUCED BY.

3. DISC:

OG: CD-R
BOOT: GLASS MASTER

OG: FONT IS CORRECT
BOOT: USING SOME CRAPPY FONT. THEY DIDN'T EVEN TRY TO MAKE IT MATCH THE OG.

OG: INFORMATION/CONTACT SHOW'S PHONE NUMBER AGAIN (NO MENTION OF IT BEING DISTRIBUTED BY "TRIPS ENTERTAINMENT".
BOOT: INFORMATION/CONTACT DOESN'T SHOE PHONE NUMBER (NO MENTION OF "TRIPS ENTERTAINMENT".

OG: SAYS, "(BMI) ANI'T NO QUESTION" (SAYS THIS ON BOTH THE INSERT & DISC). THEY MISPELLED "AIN'T" ON THE OG.
BOOT: SAY'S "(BMI) AIN'T NO ?" INSTEAD OF "QUESTION"!!!

4. TRAY CARD & UPC:

OG: DOESN'T COME WITH A TRAY CARD. THE UPC WAS A STICKER ON THE BACK OF THE SLIMLINE JEWEL CASE!!!
BOOT: HAS "TRIPS ENTERTAINMENT" LOGO AGAIN, STANKIN' PRODUCTIONS LOG (CREATED BY BOOTLEGGER) AND DIFFERENT UPC CODE. BASICALLY IT SHOULD'NT HAVE A TRAY CARD AT ALL!

5. TRACKS:

THERE ARE ONLY 5 TRACKS ON THE OG AND 7 ON THE BOOTLEG. THE REASON FOR THIS IS, BECAUSE THE TRACKED THE BOOTLEG DIFFERENTLY. THE BOOTLEG DOESN'T ACTUALLY HAVE MORE TRACKS, THEY JUST SEPARATED THE COMMERCIALS/COMMENTARY FROM OTHER SONGS. THEN THEY MADE UP THE NAMES TO THESE 2 NEW TRACKS/COMMERCIAL/COMMENTARY/SKIT'S. THE NEW NAMES ARE: TRACK 3. DANKIN & TRACK 5. DRANKIN. BASICALLY THE BOOTLEG AND THE OG HAVE THE SAME SONGS.

OG: SOUND IS BETTER/MASTERED
BOOT: SOUND IS HORRIBLE. THE BASE IS HARDLY NOTICEABLE, THE HIGHS/TREBLE IS TOO LOUD AND D-MAN'S VOICE SOUNDS LIKE IT HAS AN ECHO!. SOUNDS LIKE IT WAS FROM A RIP OR UN-MASTERED. THE SOUND QUALITY IS ATROCIOUS IN COMPARISON TO THE OG!

OG FRONT COVER:



BOOTLEG COVER:



OG INSERT:




BOOTLEG INSERT:



OG DISC:



BOOTLEG DISC:



OG UPC:



BOOTLEG TRAY CARD/UPC:

 
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MORE...

THERE ARE MORE DIFFERENCE'S THAT I CAN POINT OUT, BUT I THINK THAT I GAVE YOU GUY'S ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MAKE MY POINT. I HOPE THIS HELPS SOME OF YOU GUY'S OUT.

DON'T FORGET THAT THESE BOOTLEGGERS CAN COPY PRESSING CODES AS WELL, SO DON'T ONLY GO BY PRESSING CODES. THAT SOLUTION IS USELESS THESE DAYS.
 
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Tripps? That's plain stupid. Tripps ent. were parta Concrete Poetry by 2000 right.. Thought the label was disbanded by then.

Where u reckon they got the clear Tripps logo from?

I've only seen one like that on the Who's Got My Back Vinyl, all it would take is to replace the purple with white one in photoshop. !?!?

^^ EDIT: yeah just read all or ur post. cosign they got it off ur cassette of it.

Mikal, here's another for you. Do you know if Hilltop Klick did self-made cdrs of their album? I bought some cds from a Pueblo based store online (at alibris.com). Hilltop Klick & Hardtime Hustla$ was inkjet label cdrs.

Midwest_rapz had copies too but prolly the OGs u sold as he's an honest seller.
 
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Tripps

The Tripps as a Record Label weren't apart of concrete poetry. Just the remaining G/Som group members that weren't/aren't in the Feds. Basically those remaining artist kept the name and put out an album called, "Nocturnal". Nocturnal was manufactured and distributed by Concrete Poetry. Yeah, Tripps Entertainment has been defunct as a record label since 1995, when the Feds raided, arrested and prosecuted some of the Tripps. The homie Pierre is still locked up. He's been on lock since 1995.
 
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^^ Can't get a better explanation that that! 100% fake bootleg.

What's fucked up is the bootleggers went to great lengths to make it different. There's even an extra part of the Denver skyline on the left of the explicit lyrics sticker, and some extra pillar that they put some cracks on by the chick's arm.

The bootleg pic looks bad quality (prolly only had a low resolution picture to play with) so they fucked with it to fill up space. Crazy how it has extra shit in different positions, but, you can do anything with photo editing software packages.


Yeah I used to have a Hardtime Hu$tlas 1st cd on glassmaster. Think i got that from u or twistandshout. Still have the 2nd one which I know for sure i got from u!!

Just the Hilltop Klick cd I found strange was a cdr release.. Everythin Chase Da Cat was involved in was always pro-pressed.
 
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Yes

I have a D-Man album but I'm not sure if its this one. Is this his only solo?
Yes, this is his/D-Man's only solo album. If you're talking about D-Man of The Scumbags...that's not the same D-Man. That D-Man is from Kansas, Not Denver. Heck even the D-Man from Denver isn't originally from here/Denver. He's from Illinois or Indiana. I can't remember which one of the two, but he's been here forever, so he's from Denver, to us Denverite's . D-Man is a good Old Schoo' Crip potna of mine, hence the reason why I know so much about him and his situations.
 
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Yes, this is his/D-Man's only solo album. If you're talking about D-Man of The Scumbags...that's not the same D-Man. That D-Man is from Kansas, Not Denver. Heck even the D-Man from Denver isn't originally from here/Denver. He's from Illinois or Indiana. I can't remember which one of the two, but he's been here forever, so he's from Denver, to us Denverite's . D-Man is a good Old Schoo' Crip potna of mine, hence the reason why I know so much about him and his situations.
I'm thinking of D-Man from F.Y.P.A. I have the og of his solo somewhere around here. I bought it after I heard DK All Day, but I never really listened to it much. I'll try to find it to scan, hopefully its not this bootleg...
 
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Try

I'm thinking of D-Man from F.Y.P.A. I have the og of his solo somewhere around here. I bought it after I heard DK All Day, but I never really listened to it much. I'll try to find it to scan, hopefully its not this bootleg...
Try to find it. I would like to see another release, but I'm sure that he would've gave it to me by now or back when he got out of Jail.
 
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^ I forgot to ask you, too... Did you hear anything about Silent Pitt releasing their new album? One of the members sent me a PM randomly and told me they're gonna put out some new material. Hopefully thats soon..
 
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Here are the messages, I sent and received from Mr Mikal since he bought this D-Man cd from me.

Received: Jan-02-10

I just want you to know that you sold a bootleg version of this CD to me I already have 2 copies of the OG and sold 3 of the OG's since I've been on eBay.

1. The OG doesn't come with a back insert.
2. The OG was on CDR only and has never, ever been released on Glassmaster. Regardless of this being a supposedly DIDX.
3. The OG was only put out by D-Man's (my homeboy from CCR/Compton Crip Rider) label, "Stankin Productions" only.
4. My homeboy Johnny "Pedro" Williams/The owner of Trips Entertainment never distributed this album.
5. I can go on and on about this Bootleg CD that you took forever to send to me. Matter of fact I will send you pictures of the real/OG vs. this Fake Bootleg that is being sold on Japanese Auction websites. Yes, I've been up on this fake bootleg for some time. I just wanted to see which version you had and if you were going to be honest with me. You know that I know the real deal and how to tell the difference. How do you want to fix this?
Sent: Jan-02-10

Are you jocking? I never saw this cd on ebay and why you'll bought this cd from a french seller and for this price if you already got 2 copies of it.

I didn't bought this cd from japan, I bought it the 26/09/09 from this seller:

Debut Of A D-Man 2000 RARE (MINT)
Prix de vente : 24,55 USD
Quantité : 1
Sous-total : 24,55 USD
Délai de livraison estimé : Varie
Taxe de vente : (aucune)
Expédition et livraison :
US Postal Service First Class Mail 3,00 USD
USPS First Class Mail International 3,95 USD
USPS First Class Mail International 5,95 USD
Frais de livraison internationale fixes 3,95 USD
Vendeur :
allaccessmusic [contacter le vendeur]
Détails sur le vendeur :
Mark Richards
Brookfield, WI 53005 Etats-Unis

I never sell bootleg cds from japan or germany. Look my feedbacks, the only negative feedbacks was because I take time to ship them. No feedback talking about bootleg cds.
Received: Jan-02-10

I wasn't saying that you bought if from a Japanese website, I said that it's the same fake/bootleg version that is found on Japanese Auctionhouses. 2nd, I bought it to lock up the copies. This way I can control the market. I never know you to sell bootlegs, but in this case you did. I'm scanning the difference's right now as we speak. I'm about to post them up on the siccness.net. I'm not going to put your name next to them. At least not right now/not unless you don't take care of this situation. Look man, I'm not trying to make you out to be a liar. I'm trying to let you know what it is that you sold to me. You sold me the bootleg version that is on Japanese websites. Are you responsible/Are you the person who made this bootlegg? No. I already know that, but I'm wondering why would somebody sell me something that, everybody and their Momma knows that I know about. Basically, Im trying to educate you and let you know whats up. Im also trying to get you to fix this problem without probs
Sent: Jan-02-10

Ok, let's put this case on siccness board with our messages we sent here, your covers + cd scan and all my scann pics I got of the cd I sold you and if any of all the big collectors of the board tell that you are right I'll send you a payment.
Received: Jan-02-10

If you didn't sell me a bootleg...take the time to look at the difference between the CD that you sold me and the OG's (One open & One Sealed) that I have. Can you do that? I'm just trying to educate you, because you apparently didn't know. Now you do and it would be great if you take care of this. I'm not trying to dis you. That's not my style and it doesn't help either one of us. How do you want to handle this? I want to keep it as a teaching tool, but not for the price that I paid. I'm asking for what is fair. It's only worth $5 to me. I still want to show you the difference though. What's your email address, so I can put you up on game?
Received: Jan-02-10

Everybody know that I like to have all versions of any and all CD's. I like to keep them, because I like to know what I'm talking about and to have evidence/tools to educate those that don't know. It's not your fault, but it's not mine either. The only time that you will ever see me put a person's business out in the streets/websites is if, that person was acting with ill-intentions, spite or if I felt that they weren't being a Man/acting like a bitch. Lol! I'm sure that you're a good person and that this can be handled. I always try to treat people with mutual respect. Integrity, responsibility & respect is something that nobody can take from a real Man. I'm sure that you're a real Man about your word and will back anything that involves you/your name. Let me know what you want to do. I'm always open to working things out. Thanks.
Received: Jan-02-10

It's not a fact of people telling me that I'm right. I am right. I'm putting it up on the siccness and a teaching tool and that's it. This way people can be aware of this. Wouldn't you have been happy if somebody told and/or showed you how to know the difference? Remember, I'm not attaching your name to this. I know that you didn't know any better, but now you do. I'm not here to throw mud at somebody. That doesn't create nations, It makes nations dirty. I'm not dirty like that unless I have to be. Even then, I most like won't be dirty after that. It's not my style.
Received: Jan-02-10

I just posted it. You can read it and see the differences for yourself. There are many, many differences. I'll be waiting on my refund. Thank you for your understanding. Have a good day.
Received: Jan-02-10

I would ask you to post your pictures, but I already did a side by side comparison with the bootleg CD that you sold me and one of my 2 copies that I already have. Thank you again for your time. Please send refund asap. Have a good day.
Received: Jan-02-10

I would ask you to post your pictures, but I already did a side by side comparison with the bootleg CD that you sold me and one of my 2 copies that I already have. Thank you again for your time. Please send refund asap. Have a good day.
Sent: Jan-03-10

Ok, now I saw the comparison between those 2 cds, I'm ok to refund you the money but I want to get the cd I shipped you before and not your cd-r copy. Do you think I'll refund the money and then you keep my cd? So how can I get my cd back?
Received: Jan-03-10

Like I told you. I want to keep this CD for teaching purposes. Therefore I don't want all of my money back. I offer that you refund me $10. I plan on using this and other CD's in my blog once, I get it going. I want my blog to become a bible for collectors. I want to provide a place where collector & sellers alike can go to and find out the differences between bootlegs, 1st pressing, 2nd pressing and etc. I really only want to find a fair price for something that was not what I was expecting to get. I thank you for your honesty and willingness to work this out. Let me know what you think is the best solution and we both can take it from there. I would spend more money then the CD is worth to send it back to you with registered mail and you will have a CD in your possession that isnt worth anything. Especially now that people have seen and know the difference. I know that you want to protect your reputation, just like I do. Therefore I believe that its best if we settle on a $10 refund.
Sent: Jan-03-10

Give me your paypal adress and I'll send you your payment of 10$.
Received: Jan-04-10

When are you going to send the refund?
Received: Jan-04-10

K. Thanks. It's [email protected]. Thanks again for your understanding. Have a good day
Received: Jan-06-10

Please refund asap. I sent you my email address 2 days ago. Once again, it's [email protected]. Thank you.
 
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Now I just have one question for you, Why did bidd on my D-man cd if you noticed all those differences between your cd and mine?
I also remember that I posted a good scann of my front here and also on my auction when I sold it.

you probably win a cd for 5 or 10$ but now people know how you work to get your cds.

You also say that D-man is your homie but you even didn't know that he released a another cd, lool.

And now you are asking me for a positive feedback???