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^^^I think the concern is these kids getting too much into sports...and not enough into the books. What happens if that kid breaks his leg? Ankle? What happens when he cant play sports anymore, and he is as dumb as a doorknob?

At 17, these kids should be more worried about their tests than a game on Friday night. The world really is getting dumber it seems, and things like this arent helping any.

Also, youre now looking at talent being lumped into one or two schools...i mean, how fair is that? This is HS, not NFL or even college.

Thats just me though.
 

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I read it...zzzzz,no meat and potatoes...they should of used the liberal minded morons who are bashing UW Football on every front page this week during the football stadium talks.liberal seattle will not back this...lol
 
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I read it...zzzzz,no meat and potatoes...they should of used the liberal minded morons who are bashing UW Football on every front page this week during the football stadium talks.liberal seattle will not back this...lol
UW should absolutely not recieve any public funding. Whats next, WSU is going need to 150 Million to expand the Martin Stadium renovations???

Jerramy Stevens is a piece of shit, always has been, always will be.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004147460_rbstevens270.html


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Pharms, a 250-pound linebacker from Sacramento, Calif., was a star at the UW. He bench-pressed more than 400 pounds, sported a pit-bull tattoo, and sometimes, during games, locked eyes with an opposing player and proceeded to urinate, the stream darkening his pants. He did this to intimidate. After all, who'd want to go against someone as crazy as that?
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004148820_rbpharms280.html
 
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As much as A Husky fan as I am, why are they getting the people to pay for the stadium, but they cant get money for a new Sonics arena from the public via taxes? The Huskies are NOT going anywhere and NEVER will. The Sonics, may however...

Fuckin bullshit.
 
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XPANTHER,No thoughts on a FRONT PAGE story ???
Oh I've got thoughts about it, I've been talking about it with friends & family this week. This continuing special story bothers me b/c I think the Seattle Times is acting like the ultimate pimp. They're pimping the shit out of folks who don't really follow college football. People that don't realize things like:

01) Tyrone Willingham did not replace Rick Neuheisel, there were 2 years of Gilbertson before Willingham.

02) It's all relative: The fact UW football is AVG when it comes to the delinquency department, and probably above average since Willingham took over. The folks on capital hill who go hiking on the weekends but who are "chiming in" on this issue don't know that a former RB at Arizona State murdered somebody, they don't realize that an asst. coach at UCLA is under investigation for a burglary ring in South Central LA. They don't realize that hippy UC Berkeley has a sizable chunk of players who have been in trouble w/ the law. They don't realize that outside of Stanford, all Pac-10 programs have similar rates of delinquency and graduation.

02) It's demographics stupid: That the college football industry as a whole actually has a LOWER demographically adjusted crime rate than society as a whole. The numbers fluctuate a little every single day, but roughly 1 in 4 African American males is under some form of control within the justice system, and on these college football teams in the Pac-10 you've got 40-50 black dudes on these non-Stanford squads, so as long as less than 10-12 of these guys are getting in trouble during their four years in school, then these college football teams are actually doing society a favor. The PA and white dudes on the teams get into trouble too, but I would guess that they also do so at a lower rate than their general populations as well.

^ Basically the point there is that college football teams represent such a unique and "challenging" demographic when it comes to avoiding legal trouble, that there's not a whole lot the programs can do other than not recruit kids who might be trouble in the first place. I suppose the UW could've done that with Jerramy Stevens, but with Pharms I didn't see any reason to predict trouble other than maybe the fact that he was from Valley HS in a very rough part of Sacramento CA. So what the hell is a program supposed to do, stop recruiting kids who grew up under the poverty line? But you just can't stop recruiting in these areas, not only would you be denying opportunities to dozens of great kids who would thrive if given a football scholarship, but predicting who's going to fuck up and who's going to thrive is tough if not impossible. And you'd get your ass kicked on the field. You just cannot expect many of these guys to behave as well and achieve as much academically as the average student, college football is not in a vacuum, it mirrors society to a huge extent. This may sound bad, to automatically expect less of people, but that's the harsh reality of how it plays out most of the time.

03) It's not a simple choice between Ws and behavior: They reduce college football to a choice between winning w/ thugs and losing w/ choirboys. They act as if demanding wins, as opposed to merely hoping for them, is automatically condoning thuggery. The two are not mutually exclusive as the Times seems to suggest.

It does seem to be somewhat of an agenda to discourage public sentiment from helping them out w/ their stadium. And the typical white granola liberal in Seattle will be outraged at each of these stories, and vote no if given the opportunity. So I think it hurts their chances for getting that $150 million from the public, but other than that, I don't give a shit.
 
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they should of used the liberal minded morons who are bashing UW Football on every front page this week during the football stadium talks.liberal seattle will not back this...lol
I think there's some truth in that right there. But we have backed 2 stadiums for public funding so far though, that's more than most cities in the US liberal or conservative.

Would you vote yes or no if given the chance, and why?
 

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XPANTHER,No thoughts on a FRONT PAGE story ???
I was talkin about the R.B. story.I'm sick about that Husky shit..let's just say I'd love to run into the 2 clowns who shit on C-Dubs grave.This shit is'nt even news.It's damn near 10 years old,and everybody knows that every D1 team in the country has hard heads,and losers...that's the odds of carrying 100 man rosters,they can't all be angels.The timing is just horrible,and makes no sense other then somebody not wanting a remodeled Husky Stadium.I don't even know if its right to ask for money from the public,but I'm a fan,so I hope it goes through.I'd give 5,000$ tomorrow if I knew it was happenin.
 
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I was talkin about the R.B. story.I'm sick about that Husky shit..let's just say I'd love to run into the 2 clowns who shit on C-Dubs grave.This shit is'nt even news.It's damn near 10 years old,and everybody knows that every D1 team in the country has hard heads,and losers...that's the odds of carrying 100 man rosters,they can't all be angels.The timing is just horrible,and makes no sense other then somebody not wanting a remodeled Husky Stadium.I don't even know if its right to ask for money from the public,but I'm a fan,so I hope it goes through.I'd give 5,000$ tomorrow if I knew it was happenin.
(My bad, I didn't know the RB story was on the front page b/c I don't read the PI)

I agree pretty much with 100% of what you said about the Dawgs, especially about the timing as it relates to the stadium issue. Some folks posted the address of the main editor of the paper (an Oregon grad) on Dawgman.com but then the post got deleted. I'm working on a little spreadsheet right now that gets into some graduation rate stuff and shows just how ridiculously fucking laughable it is to describe the UW as having any less "integrity" than anybody in the Pac-10 other than Stanford.

From 1991-2000 the UW graduated 64% of its black players while the shittards who like to sling mud at our program (WSU & Oregon) graduated 44% and 45% respectively. This shows up in the overall graduation rate, UW led the Pac-10 w/ 5.8 conference wins per year over this stretch but was 2nd in graduation rates at 62.43%.

^ Now that's not getting into criminal shit, but it's not a bad place to start when delving into how "dirty" or "integrity lacking" a football program is.

BTW, are you a Willingham supporter or a Willingham hater (did you want him fired in December or did you not?)
 
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I agree pretty much with 100% of what you said about the Dawgs, especially about the timing as it relates to the stadium issue. Some folks posted the address of the main editor of the paper (an Oregon grad) on Dawgman.com but then the post got deleted. I'm working on a little spreadsheet right now that gets into some graduation rate stuff and shows just how ridiculously fucking laughable it is to describe the UW as having any less "integrity" than anybody in the Pac-10 other than Stanford.

Its more about the lack of accountability. Its ridiculous to think that if you selected even 100 random people there would not be some character issues within a decent percent of the group. That is just statistics. I don't think most people are getting too caught up in the idea that the UW program has any less integrity than anyone else.

The issue is the accountablity, these guys should not have gotten 4th and
5th chances. Jerramy Stevens had a reputation as a god damn rapist. The guy should be in jail, and should have been before he even made it to the NFL.

Look, you sign guys with character issues and talent thats a given in any sports and a shit load of other things in life, but if they don't follow the rules you send them on their way, you don't cover up what they did or try to give them special treatment, especially when your dealing with assualt, domestic abuse, rape etc.
 
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Its more about the lack of accountability. Its ridiculous to think that if you selected even 100 random people there would not be some character issues within a decent percent of the group. That is just statistics. I don't think most people are getting too caught up in the idea that the UW program has any less integrity than anyone else.

The issue is the accountablity, these guys should not have gotten 4th and
5th chances. Jerramy Stevens had a reputation as a god damn rapist. The guy should be in jail, and should have been before he even made it to the NFL.

Look, you sign guys with character issues and talent thats a given in any sports and a shit load of other things in life, but if they don't follow the rules you send them on their way, you don't cover up what they did or try to give them special treatment, especially when your dealing with assualt, domestic abuse, rape etc.
I can respect that point of view. But UCLA had an assistant coach investigated in a burglary ring in South LA, and he kept his job. Hawaii was led to glory with maybe not a Stevens equivalent, but atleast a Stevens comparable (Colt Brennan, not to mention their ex-con receiver from Oakland I forgot his name). They only pay lip service to it as an industry problem, leaving the avg reader around here who doesn't follow college football that the UW represents an extreme, when it doesn't.

I can't respect the point of view that tries to eliminate any character issues from the get go, as there was absolutely no difference between Jeremiah Pharms at age 18 and Anthony Kelly at age 18, so how are you supposed to know in five years who's going to be the one adopting kids from South Africa and who's going to be the one in prison?
 
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I'll post some of the results up when it's done.
I was wrong...BC graduates 95% of their football players, more than Duke and Stanford.

http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/rvp/pubaf/chronicle/v12/s18/gradrate.html

"Boston College athletes are among the most academically successful in the nation, according to the NCAA's Academic Progress Rate (APR). In 2006 Boston College received Public Recognition Awards with fourteen of its sports in the top 10% of the nation academically. The Eagles tied Notre Dame for the highest total of any Division I-A university. Other schools having ten or more sports honored included Navy (12), Stanford (11), and Duke (11)"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_College#Athletics