Club Pulse in Orlando....

[Stealth]

And this is part of the issue right here. These "checks" are just half assed attempts at abiding to the laws some of these gun store owners dont agree with. Now im not saying that smoking weed and guns are linked ot any killing sprees, and im almost positive they arent...that still is going against what lawmakers have put into place.

I found this too....not sure if im buying the excuse WalMart gave..

https://www.thetrace.org/2015/09/walmart-ar-15-gun-custom/

I agree with you. I have no problem with responsible use of weed or guns. I'm a chill dude and would never kill anybody. I'm just saying how ridiculously easy it was for me to get a gun. Even as someone who doesn't hate guns, I don't get how its so easy.

In PA, its not even legal to keep a registry of the gun once its sold.

 

[GTS]

gun regulations are important
but until you get to the root cause of these mental issues people have who commit these atrocities it won't matter
7.125 billion people, so good look with that

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

gun regulations are important
but until you get to the root cause of these mental issues people have who commit these atrocities it won't matter
7.125 billion people, so good look with that

Winner, winner..chicken dinner.

A person who has no problem taking another human life over a belief, is mentally ill. Point blank period the end. There are several things i dont agree with, but i dont have any desire to kill someone over it (except for pedo's..no explanation needed).

 

[Stealth]

gun regulations are important
but until you get to the root cause of these mental issues people have who commit these atrocities it won't matter
7.125 billion people, so good look with that

Absolutely. The only thing is I'd like it to be harder to kill multiple people. Psychos will always be able to kill one or two people with a knife or a rifle or something, but the average Joe shouldn't have the power to take 50 lives on a whim.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Not to butt in, but I do, and it is easy. If you're talking about converting a gun to a truly automatic gun, then you're right, it does take a little bit of work. It's more than just swapping out one part for another. But there are ways to essentially "fake" a fully automatic without doing the full conversion so that you have more than one fire per trigger pull. Essentially you're just transferring the force from the bolt carrier so that when the gun shoots, it uses its own weight to reset the trigger.

Right, the slide fire video I posted is essentially "faking" fully automatic but as anyone can see there is virtually no difference. And like dude said in the video, all that, gun + slide fire, cost him a thousand bucks (his gun around $700 and the slide fire about $300). Very simple and easy.

Anyways, it doesn't even really matter. Semi automatic is just as deadly since the shooter is going to likely be more accurate versus spraying a clip in a few seconds.

 

[Stealth]

^^ Yup. The only reason "fully autos" like M16 cost $15,000+ is because they're all grandfathered in. The only way you can legally own a fully auto that was owned prior to the ban in the 80s is to pay out the ass for it. You're not paying $15,000 because its technically superior, you're paying $15,000 because its rare. But if you want an AR with the capability of doing very similar damage, I agree you can do it quickly for about $1,000.

 

[Stealth]

I bought an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle in Philly in 7 minutes

 

[StillHustlin]

There have been multiple much deadlier events in the US by the US Government and its corporations than this event. One could argue they were also more catastrophic as the victims counted as a much higher percentage of the country's population (how soon we forgot or were too ignorant to know his story though).

Of course, what the US has done to the American Indian seems forgotten by most non-indians and always ends up at the bottom of the importance list for Democrats Republicans and the public alike (go figure).

Never mind all that though, just have continued blind faith that the US Government will fix everything like they always have, for the better of course (/sarcasm). All of you for this incredible federal gun control and forfeiture- if you own any weapons please turn them in now and make a youtube video to prove your allegiance.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

There have been multiple much deadlier events in the US by the US Government and its corporations than this event. One could argue they were also more catastrophic as the victims counted as a much higher percentage of the country's population (how soon we forgot or were too ignorant to know his story though).

Of course, what the US has done to the American Indian seems forgotten by most non-indians and always ends up at the bottom of the importance list for Democrats Republicans and the public alike (go figure).

Never mind all that though, just have continued blind faith that the US Government will fix everything like they always have, for the better of course (/sarcasm). All of you for this incredible federal gun control and forfeiture- if you own any weapons please turn them in now and make a youtube video to prove your allegiance.

Someone in this thread has blind faith that the government will fix everything? lol who are you even talking to? Having an issue with anyone who passes a quick background check being able to buy military style assault rifles in 15 minutes or less isn't some absurd idea here, seems like common sense. Will it fix all of our problems? No way. But it could make it very difficult for a mentally unstable person from buying a fucking military style assault rifle.

 

[StillHustlin]

Someone in this thread has blind faith that the government will fix everything? lol who are you even talking to? Having an issue with anyone who passes a quick background check being able to buy military style assault rifles in 15 minutes or less isn't some absurd idea here, seems like common sense. Will it fix all of our problems? No way. But it could make it very difficult for a mentally unstable person from buying a fucking military style assault rifle.

How so? Please explain. I worked for CFIS in the 90s, so I do have some experience with the process on the other side of things - I am interested in you expounding on that last statement.

 

[Mr. Nice Guy]

What are you talking about? Military are advised to use them in semi automatic because it's so much more accurate and efficient. Fully auto is RARELY ever used by the military. There is tons of data on this.

Yes I am familiar. Fully auto is predominantly used to lay down cover fire.

Slidefire and similar products. It's literally an ad on you put on to your AR-15 and other various assault rifles. It's simple as fuck watch:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTSNscULt28


Slide Fire® Bump Fire Stocks and Parts | AR15 Stocks & Parts | Slide Fire® Freedom Unleashed

I am familiar with slidefire, which I agree is fairly easy to do. That's not exactly what we were talking about since the receiver itself is still semi-automatic, but that is more of a semantic debate.

Not to butt in

That's kind of like saying "not to be rude" and then following up with something rude lol. It's all good, just fucking with you.

but I do, and it is easy. If you're talking about converting a gun to a truly automatic gun, then you're right, it does take a little bit of work. It's more than just swapping out one part for another. But there are ways to essentially "fake" a fully automatic without doing the full conversion so that you have more than one fire per trigger pull. Essentially you're just transferring the force from the bolt carrier so that when the gun shoots, it uses its own weight to reset the trigger.

Yes I was talking about a full conversion of the receiver to select fire fully automatic, but as 2-0-Sixx posted I am also aware of the aftermarket parts like the slidefire that mimic a fully auto.

 

[OuijaBoard]

guys! Let's not waste time debating about guns.
The truth is no one is safe. Even a gator will take you out if you are not looking.
In light of recent events. What congress should be talking about is:

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Yes I am familiar. Fully auto is predominantly used to lay down cover fire.

Right and that's the only difference between a military version and a civilian version. It's the same gun especially when you consider the military will almost always use semi automatic.

I am familiar with slidefire, which I agree is fairly easy to do. That's not exactly what we were talking about since the receiver itself is still semi-automatic, but that is more of a semantic debate.

That is what I was talking about though. But again it doesn't even matter since you're going to typically want it semi auto for maximum efficiency.

Again, my whole thing is these are military style weapons designed for the military, re-branded as a sporting rifle and sold to anyone. We've seen a lot of mass shooting with these types of guns and unfortunately we see just how effective they are at maximizing body counts.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

How so? Please explain. I worked for CFIS in the 90s, so I do have some experience with the process on the other side of things - I am interested in you expounding on that last statement.

If you ban military assault rifles, it's obviously going to end the legal purchase of them. If you add much more stringent regulations, that will obviously make it much more difficult to purchase legally. The problem as others have pointed out, the NRA and other groups make it nearly impossible to add any more regulations at all. Tough situation all around.

 

[S.L.A.B]

There have been multiple much deadlier events in the US by the US Government and its corporations than this event. One could argue they were also more catastrophic as the victims counted as a much higher percentage of the country's population (how soon we forgot or were too ignorant to know his story though).

Of course, what the US has done to the American Indian seems forgotten by most non-indians and always ends up at the bottom of the importance list for Democrats Republicans and the public alike (go figure).

Never mind all that though, just have continued blind faith that the US Government will fix everything like they always have, for the better of course (/sarcasm). All of you for this incredible federal gun control and forfeiture- if you own any weapons please turn them in now and make a youtube video to prove your allegiance.

This guy might end up like a terrorist. He is already fucking crazy.

 

[SeriouslyThug]

Ok we can agree that access to guns have made it easier for people to choose them as their weapon of choice in a massacre or just a murder.
But can we back up a bit and ponder the source of the desire to kill or massacre people? Are they sending a message to society or is it a cry for help?
Do they have any choice in how they are compelled to behave?

If we make the claim that the guy's massacre was ideological against gay people, while he was at the very least bisexual, we must look at the condition that we exist in and are all responsible for in one way or another.

Causes and effects-- consequences of broken social systems. What good is it to debate whether the minimizing of the access to guns will minimize deaths by guns albeit temporarily when the source of this behavior is allowed to continue on and in fact expand in its latent determination?

Do we not talk about these things because at that point we begin touching deeply held ideological convictions where nobody is willing to yield with an open mind? If this is the case how can you be surprised when these massacres take place?

 

[SeriouslyThug]

ps. #bringbackGOM

 

[BUTCHER 206]

This guy might end up like a terrorist. He is already fucking crazy.

Nah. He's just full of shit and edgy as fuck but I think he's probably a decent human being

 

[SeriouslyThug]

gay man shoots up gay club clearly a hate crime against gays
now muslim ppl getting harassed in a twist of hate

oh my.. how unhappy people are

 

[BUTCHER 206]

gay man shoots up gay club clearly a hate crime against gays
now muslim ppl getting harassed in a twist of hate

oh my.. how unhappy people are

lol