Christian Fanatics vs. Half-assed Christians

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"God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you can help me, I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them." -Dubya
 
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2-0 brings up a good point which has been my basis for atheism. . .

you can SAY youre christian and not live a "christian life" and still think youre going to heaven. . . it doesnt make any sense -- why be religious if youre gunna flip the beliefs around to fit what you wanna do in life?
 
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KrypticFlowz said:
2-0 brings up a good point which has been my basis for atheism. . .

you can SAY youre christian and not live a "christian life" and still think youre going to heaven. . . it doesnt make any sense -- why be religious if youre gunna flip the beliefs around to fit what you wanna do in life?
For the same reason why gang bangers have all these Jesus depictions tatted all over their bodies.
They ain't Christians, nor are they religious.
It's hope....
They hope that God will have mercy on them.

LOL!
But Jesus says this:
"Not everyone who says to Me, "Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' And then I will declare to them, "I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

Then he says this:
"Then He will also say to those on the left hand, "Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.'

"Then they also will answer Him, saying, "Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?' Then He will answer them, saying, "Assuredly, I say to you, in as much as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.' And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
 
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Nitro the Guru said:
That is some serious shit, and something I think about regularly. It is also a reason why I don't jump into a religious practice of any kind. There are people who worship multiple gods -- as I'm continuing from my last post, they do so because that is how they were raised -- they were born into believing that is the way the world was created. They didn't have a choice in their upbringing. Right now, some man in a distant land is looking at christianity and laughing whole heartidly as if we are worshiping a tree. Who's to say he is wrong? And more importantly, who's to say we are right? There are far to many variables in our generation to come to the right conclusion. When this Bible was written, the chances are there were not dozens of different Gods to be worshiped; you either believed in Jesus or you didn't (correct me if I'm wrong). I do not believe God would hold a child, deprived of Jesus, accountable for his faith. I do not think it is so far fetched that God be a reasonable person, one who has understanding of the world we live in today, one which is far different then the days of Jesus; now we have such turmoil surrounding our direction to heaven. One thing is clear, to me at least, and that is the existance of a higher power. I know it is true, my evidence is as clear as crystal. The fact that I can sit here, be an intelect, and type out this post on a computer that I built, to discuss how and why we are here, is all the evidence I will ever need.

THERE IT IS.........IM WIT YOU ON THIS ONE RIGHT HERE.ITS SO MANY DIFFRENT TEACHINGS ABOUT SO MANY DIFFRENT GODS,I DONT KNOW WHO IS RIGHT.I DONT ROLL WIT NONE OF THESE PEOPLE,I JUST BELEAVE THAT THERE IS A HIGHER POWER AND WHO EVER AND WHAT EVER IT IS,I HOPE IT OR THEY UNDERSTAND MY WAYS.
 
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BIGCHILL said:
THERE IT IS.........IM WIT YOU ON THIS ONE RIGHT HERE.ITS SO MANY DIFFRENT TEACHINGS ABOUT SO MANY DIFFRENT GODS,I DONT KNOW WHO IS RIGHT.I DONT ROLL WIT NONE OF THESE PEOPLE,I JUST BELEAVE THAT THERE IS A HIGHER POWER AND WHO EVER AND WHAT EVER IT IS,I HOPE IT OR THEY UNDERSTAND MY WAYS.
That sounds a lot like being Agnostic
 
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2-0-Sixx said:
That sounds a lot like being Agnostic
Agnostic; the skepticism of the existance of God, when we both have expressed our belief in a higher power. If you are calling us agnostic because we are skeptical on a religion then fine, but as for the existance of God, that word has no place.
 
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"The term "agnostic" was coined by Thomas Huxley in 1869.
He selected the early religious sect know as "Gnostics" as a prime example of men who claim knowledge of the supernatural without justification; and he distinguished himself as an "a-gnostic" by stipulating that the supernatural, even if it exists, lies beyond the scope of human knowledge. We cannot say if it does or does not exist, so we must suspend judgement.
Anosticism, as a general term, now signifies the impossibility of knowledge in a given area. An agnostic is a person who believes that something in inherently unkowable by the human mind. When applied the the sphere of theistic belief, an agnostic is one who maintains that some aspect of the supernatural is forever closed to human knowledge. Agnosticism refers to the impossibility of knowledge with regard to a god or supernatural being"

"the term "agnostic" does not, in itself, indicate whether or not one believes in a god. Agnosticism can be EITEHR THEISTIC OR ATHEISTIC"

"The agnostic theist believes in the existence of god, but maintains that the nature of god is unknowable"

-George H. Smith
The case against god
Pages, 9 and 10
 
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2-0-Sixx said:
"The term "agnostic" was coined by Thomas Huxley in 1869.
He selected the early religious sect know as "Gnostics" as a prime example of men who claim knowledge of the supernatural without justification; and he distinguished himself as an "a-gnostic" by stipulating that the supernatural, even if it exists, lies beyond the scope of human knowledge. We cannot say if it does or does not exist, so we must suspend judgement.
Anosticism, as a general term, now signifies the impossibility of knowledge in a given area. An agnostic is a person who believes that something in inherently unkowable by the human mind. When applied the the sphere of theistic belief, an agnostic is one who maintains that some aspect of the supernatural is forever closed to human knowledge. Agnosticism refers to the impossibility of knowledge with regard to a god or supernatural being"

"the term "agnostic" does not, in itself, indicate whether or not one believes in a god. Agnosticism can be EITEHR THEISTIC OR ATHEISTIC"

"The agnostic theist believes in the existence of god, but maintains that the nature of god is unknowable"

-George H. Smith
The case against god
Pages, 9 and 10
Thanks for the read, that is some very, very intersting shit. I can relate to some of what is written there, but I'm not sure if the word--as it is used today--is looked at the same way. I am going to archive that stuff, thanks.
 
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Nitro the Guru said:
but I'm not sure if the word--as it is used today--is looked at the same way.
I agree.

Oh by the way, the book that it's from "Atheism: The case against god" is actually a very good book to read, regardless if you believe in god or not. I have spoken to several christians who read the book and thought highly of it. Here is a link to amazon.com and you will notice that several of the comments were made by christians. Most libraries carry this book, all barnes & noble locations have this book for $14.
 
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Jesus would be aggainst the war in Iraq for the simple reason, back in his time, many "Messiahs" came. Claiming to fullfill the prophecy in the Old Testement. The reason why they were NOT the Messiah or Savior is because the false saviors led a military up-rising. Jesus did not.