Careers in music...
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I searched the digi design site after hearing about it on the duc, and I got the hook up from a member of the duc. And no, it didn't cost me 15k or any figure remotely close to that (the classes aren't that long anyway.)
http://www.digidesign.com/index.cfm?langid=100&navid=43&
Find the school closest to you and contact them. Also, if anyone here is interested in 101 and 201 I have the second edition books and I'll let them go for cheap.
http://www.digidesign.com/index.cfm?langid=100&navid=43&
Find the school closest to you and contact them. Also, if anyone here is interested in 101 and 201 I have the second edition books and I'll let them go for cheap.
^LOL yeah maybe i should have
Fact is I can go on and on about recording school being a horrible educational investment.
the jist of my post pretty much said I went to a recording arts school, got good grades not straight As but I had a high B average. Got As on all of my recording projects and preficiencies. I was the first person to hit my internship city meaning I graduated friday, Left saturday on a 14 hour drive to call my internship guy for placement that monday. Note that prior to this while i was still in school I set up a long list of bay area studios i would be interested in interning at, this was a mandatory class project ( the list and the internship) I call this guy every day for about 6 weeks, he couldnt get me in anywhere. My money was dwindling fast and I have alot of bills to pay. If you read the earlier posts i gve up a pretty well paying job to go to this school and I had financial obligations. I ended up having to write off my own hours using my own gear to fully graduate from the school cuz they didn't help me. After that I needed to get a real job to pay the bills and that was that. On top of this I did all kinds of extra stuff for that school, helping on sessions on my own time for students. Getting gigs on my own time for extra hours. Shit i was even the public relations rep for the first and only concert 2 of my good friends organized at the school (they got fucked too btw)
Lets see my list consisted of..
Infinate
The Grill
Trackworks
Haight
a couple of posts houses in sf
Mccune sound and lighting
a couple of small mom and pop post houses
the Annex
And a couple others and they couldnt get me anywhere, They even said not to contact the studios yourself cuz it was supposed to be the internship dept at the schools job nd they got me nothing.
Basically I rolled the dice on that school and I crapped out. Worst 15 grand I ever spent. Sure I learned alot but a whole lot of good its doing me now. If you do not make it most dont, your fancy recording degree isnt worth the paper it was printed on. I'm working a normal non audio related job to pay off all my student loans and my other bills going to that school produced making like 1/3rd less than what i was seeing before i went to school. Funny I always thought I'd make more money with an education, guess not
Sure you can make it, it is possible but not fuckin likley. If you do not have some sort of benifactor come internship time you will most likley find yourself in some trouble. Know that these studios pretty much want you as a full time slave, if you miss a day your gone, if you say the wrong thing gone. There is a revolving door of fresh recording grads ready to take your place especially in LA. Like I said before most of my teachers were former grads, I'm sure that goes the same for any other recording program you go to cuz its some of the only paying work out there.
Fact is I can go on and on about recording school being a horrible educational investment.
the jist of my post pretty much said I went to a recording arts school, got good grades not straight As but I had a high B average. Got As on all of my recording projects and preficiencies. I was the first person to hit my internship city meaning I graduated friday, Left saturday on a 14 hour drive to call my internship guy for placement that monday. Note that prior to this while i was still in school I set up a long list of bay area studios i would be interested in interning at, this was a mandatory class project ( the list and the internship) I call this guy every day for about 6 weeks, he couldnt get me in anywhere. My money was dwindling fast and I have alot of bills to pay. If you read the earlier posts i gve up a pretty well paying job to go to this school and I had financial obligations. I ended up having to write off my own hours using my own gear to fully graduate from the school cuz they didn't help me. After that I needed to get a real job to pay the bills and that was that. On top of this I did all kinds of extra stuff for that school, helping on sessions on my own time for students. Getting gigs on my own time for extra hours. Shit i was even the public relations rep for the first and only concert 2 of my good friends organized at the school (they got fucked too btw)
Lets see my list consisted of..
Infinate
The Grill
Trackworks
Haight
a couple of posts houses in sf
Mccune sound and lighting
a couple of small mom and pop post houses
the Annex
And a couple others and they couldnt get me anywhere, They even said not to contact the studios yourself cuz it was supposed to be the internship dept at the schools job nd they got me nothing.
Basically I rolled the dice on that school and I crapped out. Worst 15 grand I ever spent. Sure I learned alot but a whole lot of good its doing me now. If you do not make it most dont, your fancy recording degree isnt worth the paper it was printed on. I'm working a normal non audio related job to pay off all my student loans and my other bills going to that school produced making like 1/3rd less than what i was seeing before i went to school. Funny I always thought I'd make more money with an education, guess not
Sure you can make it, it is possible but not fuckin likley. If you do not have some sort of benifactor come internship time you will most likley find yourself in some trouble. Know that these studios pretty much want you as a full time slave, if you miss a day your gone, if you say the wrong thing gone. There is a revolving door of fresh recording grads ready to take your place especially in LA. Like I said before most of my teachers were former grads, I'm sure that goes the same for any other recording program you go to cuz its some of the only paying work out there.
Im glad I changed my mind about going to one of those.
I know alot of people in the biz and pretty much none of them went to a school like that. The ones that did, have jobs that don't really use the stuff they learned. A good friend of mine went to Berklee college of music, he's now a studio manager at SonyBmg in NYC pushin papers all day. He likes it , good money, meets alot of people, but doing nothing music related. I think going to a school might help you get an internship possibly easier than somebody off the streets, but that's not saying much. Its not a very promising career choice. It's like wanting to be an actor. If you aint down to move to hollywood it aint gonna happen...Now go listen to my shit! No schools, just a couple books! No lessons!
lol
I know alot of people in the biz and pretty much none of them went to a school like that. The ones that did, have jobs that don't really use the stuff they learned. A good friend of mine went to Berklee college of music, he's now a studio manager at SonyBmg in NYC pushin papers all day. He likes it , good money, meets alot of people, but doing nothing music related. I think going to a school might help you get an internship possibly easier than somebody off the streets, but that's not saying much. Its not a very promising career choice. It's like wanting to be an actor. If you aint down to move to hollywood it aint gonna happen...Now go listen to my shit! No schools, just a couple books! No lessons!
lol
I'll be opening a Computer shop in the near future. Custom built PCs. Parts , Repairs and Data Recovery under most circumstances. Also specializing in home network security...Wireless and LAN. Just waiting for the right location to pop up. As well as mobile (will travel) on Wednesdays...haven't decided yet on that. Don't get me wrong. ..Some schooling has paid off. Those happend to be free of charge.
I aint never went to a music school or nothing, but just like a few of yall said, its probably better to just learn off of other people. U can read all that books u can to learn how to play ur favorite sports but it dont mean ur gonna go pro. I'd say get u a job, and do music on the side first. Do it for the joy and the love of it. If its meant to be then u may catch that right persons ear. If it aint meant to be, then it aint gonna happen. Make that paper first. Start getting involved with different people. Network. This website is a pretty good start. Make it a hobby 1st
Any opinions on Future Rythym in San Jose. I have an oportunity to get expert certified here for about half the price. Even then, it's still 2,500 or so.
http://www.futurerhythm.com/training/protools/index.php
http://www.futurerhythm.com/training/protools/index.php
^those certifications are not that hard to get, its really nothing but a selling point to get people into school. I bet anyone on here who has ran a session in PT knows way more about the program than quote unquote certified people. Its not like you cant get a 410 PT M-powered and figure it out for yourself.
When i was in school i saw plenty of "certified pro tools" people who couldnt run a session with it to save their life
When i was in school i saw plenty of "certified pro tools" people who couldnt run a session with it to save their life
Jayda hit it.
MB asked:
I've yet to work out of a spot were it was a requirement. In fact, no one I know even asks about it.
Yes, what were pro engineers doing 3-7 years ago before pro tools certification ever came about? It's simply something you can say, "I'm pro tools certified" and no studio I've come across lists it as a requirement.
see above.
MB asked:
I've yet to work out of a spot were it was a requirement. In fact, no one I know even asks about it.
Yes, what were pro engineers doing 3-7 years ago before pro tools certification ever came about? It's simply something you can say, "I'm pro tools certified" and no studio I've come across lists it as a requirement.
see above.
I was close to going to expressions when it first opened, I bought into the whole job placement promises that they sold saying they had like damn near 90% sound arts job placement....I thought that was bullshit right off the bat, noone jumps out of any college and goes right into their career. I passed because it wasn't accredited at the time so there was no financial aid, and now that there is the tuition has doubled. I got friends who go there now, so I'm just finna get all their books & shit. they also got tests and shit so I can get logic certified and whatnot, without spending hella money on their school
getting into the industry is mainly about who you know. a good mouthpiece can take you just as far if not further than college.
getting into the industry is mainly about who you know. a good mouthpiece can take you just as far if not further than college.
Recording school is for sucka's straight up!
I bought all my own gear and learned it 1 by 1. I have a cousin who went to some recording school and I shit on his pt skills and mixdowns
Its all about thinken out the box and trial and error... Schools can't teach you as well as you can teach ya self
Most those computer hacker program whizz kids don't got degrees... When you where busy at school they where busy actually doen it!
I bought all my own gear and learned it 1 by 1. I have a cousin who went to some recording school and I shit on his pt skills and mixdowns
Its all about thinken out the box and trial and error... Schools can't teach you as well as you can teach ya self
Most those computer hacker program whizz kids don't got degrees... When you where busy at school they where busy actually doen it!
^ your right 100% with the money i spent for school i would have had enough and then some to have the setup of my dreams with cash to spare. recording school is a scam no doubt
my school boasted a 99% success rate lol just cuz they based their success on graduation rate in which they let every flunky through the school. I worked my ass off at that school got good grades and perfect attendance while they were doing flakey fuckwads all kinds of favors to help them graduate. these people even flaked on the favors to keep them in and they still got an internship which they didnt do for me. I fuckin hate that school one of the biggest mistakes i ever made, i wish i took that tuition money and went to a real college with it or stayed in the navy I'd be running my own photolab by now. Now I have to go back to school part time to get a real degree. I'm not gonna even apply for no fuckin student loans this time I owe enough money on that shit
I'm big on education I love learning new things whatever they may be but if i pay for education i want it to take me somewhere. I honestly shoulda hit the bricks running the first time i went to a guitar center and told a rep that i was going to CRAS and like 3 dudes popped up like yeah i went there too and this dude went to full sail. Or a week before starting class at the mac store and the guy in there went there too. Most people who go to recording school live to regret it. Now most people who go to real college and get a real degree say its the smartest thing they ever did
my school boasted a 99% success rate lol just cuz they based their success on graduation rate in which they let every flunky through the school. I worked my ass off at that school got good grades and perfect attendance while they were doing flakey fuckwads all kinds of favors to help them graduate. these people even flaked on the favors to keep them in and they still got an internship which they didnt do for me. I fuckin hate that school one of the biggest mistakes i ever made, i wish i took that tuition money and went to a real college with it or stayed in the navy I'd be running my own photolab by now. Now I have to go back to school part time to get a real degree. I'm not gonna even apply for no fuckin student loans this time I owe enough money on that shit
I'm big on education I love learning new things whatever they may be but if i pay for education i want it to take me somewhere. I honestly shoulda hit the bricks running the first time i went to a guitar center and told a rep that i was going to CRAS and like 3 dudes popped up like yeah i went there too and this dude went to full sail. Or a week before starting class at the mac store and the guy in there went there too. Most people who go to recording school live to regret it. Now most people who go to real college and get a real degree say its the smartest thing they ever did
jayda only thing im confused about is that CRAS doesnt claim to be able to get you an internship anywhere in the US that you want, but out of a choice of 3 cities: LA, NY, or Nashville so im not surprised they couldnt get you in a studio in the bay....they probably dont have connections in any studios other than a select few in those 3 cities......i would of just chozen NY or LA instead of setting my heart on the bay cuz that wasnt very realistic.....did they tell you when you got there that you can pick any city or what? cuz like i said, in their brochure it states 3 cities only for internship studios.....
^Do you go to cras? People get placed all over the country and believe me there is no shortage on major recording studios in SF. LA NY and Nashville are just the big 3, But SF, Houston, ATlanta, Miami, Chicago are all major cities for music studios and post houses. When you go to cras there is assignments you have to do for the internship dept, (basically doing their job for them) where you do the research and give them a wish list of sorts of studios you want to work at in your internship city. Another thing is you cant have them do anything for you till you get to your city. I was the first person who wasnt staying in phx to get to my city and after 6 weeks of calling them every day after 3 they told me to get my hours by working on my own gear till they find a place for me which never happened.
Take it how you want all i'm saying is if you go to any of those schools you are definatly not guarenteed anything. My advice is if you want to go to school go to real college or another trade school that puts you in a more solid job market.
Take it how you want all i'm saying is if you go to any of those schools you are definatly not guarenteed anything. My advice is if you want to go to school go to real college or another trade school that puts you in a more solid job market.