Canelo vs Alfredo Angulo [March 8th]
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Glen Tapia lost to Kirkland becaue lack of conditioning and being too muscle bound. Had he been able to keep his feet fleet of foot Kirkland wouldn't have had the chance to do his against the Ropes Brandom Rios/Darnel Wilson on him. Kirkland would look a FOOL against Lara if Lara conditioned correctly
Angulo overtrained it was obvious from the start...going at it with Ward and Khan probably did it...I predicted Canelo would take him out by round 7...it happened in the 10th...Lara better stop putting Canelo's name in his mouth cause Lara will be backing up all night so Canelo can preserve his energy.
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Each of these had at least one prior fight at 154. I left off Baldomir because it was a 151 bout even though he didn't make weight (he still had a MW fight prior to the Canelo fight.)
Not counting Angulo, his record as a lmw is 10-1 with 6 of those being ko/tko.
Now take a look at the top in the division or anyone else in the division with as many fights as Canelo has and compare their stoppages.
Remember, YOU are the one making the claim here so it is on you to prove it, not me.
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Each of these had at least one prior fight at 154. I left off Baldomir because it was a 151 bout even though he didn't make weight (he still had a MW fight prior to the Canelo fight.)
Not counting Angulo, his record as a lmw is 10-1 with 6 of those being ko/tko.
Now take a look at the top in the division or anyone else in the division with as many fights as Canelo has and compare their stoppages.
Remember, YOU are the one making the claim here so it is on you to prove it, not me.
You are one of the biggest hypocrites on this site. I don't know if czar, bigface or trips has you beat but you rank up there with the best of them.
How many true MW did Tito fight before Hopkins? One fuckin fight while Hopkins made a career fighting YEARS as MW yet you site it as one of the best moments in boxing history. Stop being a fuckin hypocrite.
Now I am no Canelo fan, but to make the claim that he is the Bradley of the division is downright hilarious when you look at everyone else in the division and their stoppages.
How many true MW did Tito fight before Hopkins? One fuckin fight while Hopkins made a career fighting YEARS as MW yet you site it as one of the best moments in boxing history. Stop being a fuckin hypocrite.
Now I am no Canelo fan, but to make the claim that he is the Bradley of the division is downright hilarious when you look at everyone else in the division and their stoppages.
One thing Canelo Alvarez seemed to have taken from the Floyd Mayweather fight was he seized the moment right from the beginning with that lead left hook he crashed onto Alfredo Angulo's head. The boxer came out and established himself early and never looked back. Canelo and Danny Garcia are the top dogs...along with Timothy Bradley and Andre Ward...once Floyd is gone. I don't see Erislandy Lara having much success with Canelo. Austin Trout (who I believe won the 1st encounter) would get beat a second time. Miguel Cotto and Sergio Martinez will get KO'd by Canelo...the only guy is Keith Thurman.
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You nailed it bro. Canelo was pivoting like a mutha after he threw the hook and it was like where was that during the Floyd fight? He already had his head movement prior but now his footwork makes him hella dangerous. He made Angulo back up cuz of that and took him out of perro's comfort zone and he just wasn't landed the punches the way he wanted to. What got me mad is that Canelo didn't make wait to fuck up Angulo but was hella dehydrated for Floyd! Canelo at 100% is the most dangerous fighter in the sport and that's why I believed he was going to beat Floyd. But now he has to make the fight with Lara and destroy him. but yeah it will be Canelo vs Floyd, the trilogy
Wrong again kid. Your original statement was in regards to his current weight class. With that being said he is not 3 fighters out of 40+ fights. He is 10-1 with 6 by ko/tko. If we apply your stipulation of non catchweight fights and no fighter who previously had no fight in the division it gets cut down to 3 which is still HALF. Now compare him to any of the top 20 or, better yet, top 10 with the same stipulations as you gave me and see what you get.
In closing, yes you have shown that you can't back up your claims of Canelo being the Bradley of the division. In addition, you have shown very little when it comes to basic critical reading and thought, which is why you rely on most common fallacies (and clowns like czar) to give weight to your dubious claims. In short you are a dummy.
Now prove that he is the Bradley of his division because I proved the opposite.
ETA: The above record does NOT reflect the Angulo fight. If we apply that win he is 11-1 in the weight class with 7 by ko/tko. If we apply the Baldomir fight which Baldomir failed to make weight then, with Angulo, that is 5 with your stipulations. Kick em!
In closing, yes you have shown that you can't back up your claims of Canelo being the Bradley of the division. In addition, you have shown very little when it comes to basic critical reading and thought, which is why you rely on most common fallacies (and clowns like czar) to give weight to your dubious claims. In short you are a dummy.
Now prove that he is the Bradley of his division because I proved the opposite.
ETA: The above record does NOT reflect the Angulo fight. If we apply that win he is 11-1 in the weight class with 7 by ko/tko. If we apply the Baldomir fight which Baldomir failed to make weight then, with Angulo, that is 5 with your stipulations. Kick em!
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The only problem with a possible rematch with Mayweather is by the time Canelo takes care of Lara and Floyd beats Maidana then Amir Khan/ or whoever...Canelo will have outgrown trying to make a catch weight at 152 lbs and maybe even making 154 lbs altogether...he should just move up and tackle the bigger fighters...he definitely has the arsenal and deffence to do it...I can see him and Chavez Jr doing big things in a fight against each other.
But that is not what you quoted and agreed to hypocrite. He asked for Canelo's record at 154 with no catchweights and no fighter who didn't have a previous 154 fight under their belt. That is what you quoted and agreed to. Because you agree with what he is asking and implying you are a hypocrite. When I say Tito was not a true MW and only had 1 prior fight before fighting a MW who spent over 10 years at that weight with defenses in the double digits you come with excuses.
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the only reason I'm saying Canelo vs Floyd is cuz I really can't think of anyone at 147 for Floyd to make a big draw or anyone for Canelo but Lara. For whatever reason I see Floyd fighting Lara next, especially since Lara will be on his undercard. Man this cold war has to stop
I tried to multi quote but it only quoted the last one. What I'm specifically talking about, again, is Canelo's power. Has absolutely othing to do with Tito. It's pretty clear to me Canelo isn't a one punch KO kind of guy, he's a strong powerful fighter who wears opponents down. Last night he showed all of his arsenal and it was impressive.
When I said Canelo only fought two legit JMW'S I'm talking about ranked guys. Baldimor was old and shot, Cintron shot coming off losses, these guys were not ranked. He's fought two legit top ten guys in Trout and Rhodes (and now Angulo). The point of bringing that up is to gauge his power and I think that backs up what I'm saying in that he's not the type of guy Thats going to score one big shot. He has heavy hands that do damage.
Why is any of this important? Because if he fights Lara, who is a counter puncher and uses movement, his heavy hands aren't going to be landing on a frequent basis, he doesn't have that one punch kind of power to stop Lara.
When I said Canelo only fought two legit JMW'S I'm talking about ranked guys. Baldimor was old and shot, Cintron shot coming off losses, these guys were not ranked. He's fought two legit top ten guys in Trout and Rhodes (and now Angulo). The point of bringing that up is to gauge his power and I think that backs up what I'm saying in that he's not the type of guy Thats going to score one big shot. He has heavy hands that do damage.
Why is any of this important? Because if he fights Lara, who is a counter puncher and uses movement, his heavy hands aren't going to be landing on a frequent basis, he doesn't have that one punch kind of power to stop Lara.
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