Can The Big Toe or Kobe really be considered for MVP?

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Apr 25, 2002
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Mista Sinista said:
Kobe shouldnt even be a part of the MVP race because he proved to us earlier this season that he cant carry a team. Winning the MVP is about more than putting up big numbers. Its about carrying your team, making a difference. To me, the top candidates for MVP are...Kevin Garnett, Tracy McGrady, Chris Webber, Tim Duncan, Michael Jordan and Jason Kidd. All of those players are "LEADERS" on their teams and their making a difference. Until Kobe learns how to carry a team, he'll never be MVP and there's more to MVP than leading the team in scoring.
Shit... did you read anything I posted? Ill make it easy. Kevin Garnett, Tracy McGrady, Chris Webber, Tim Duncan, Michael Jordan and Jason Kidd could not "LEAD" this Lakers team by them self to any victory as they do with the team their on.

KINGCZAR said:
U luv to compare Jordan & Ko-Me dont u nitro?? Face it Ko-Me will never be half of what Jordan is ever!!!!!!!!!!! GOT EM!!!!
You love to enter an conversation above your intellegence level with a few words of hate and scramble while still yelling your a GURU dont you? Look at everyones posts and then look at yours. Your good at shit talking CZAR... your good at shit talking.
 
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U dont know what those other guys would do if they were on the Fakerz. Do u have special powers and u know this?? Haha, sorry but Ko_me aint a leader and he wont win MVP!!! Its that simple!!! Get over it!! No shit talkin just a fact!! GOT EM!!!
 
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And you dont know that Kobe wouldnt take the sixers to the finals either, so what have we here... RevoL did you deliberatley not answer my question before, or did you not read my post.

CZAR: Kobe is the most unselfish player in NBA hands down, let it sink in! Live with it!
 
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Deep Thought: What RevoL said there was right, but then again, I never really said otherwise. In fact, thats just a short summary of what I said in my first post. I never said in any way or implied that either SHAQ or KOBE would be an MVP candidate. I was just trying to tell you guys that just because they can win without each other; it doesnt mean they arent great players. Its funny after I posted that, I wake up today and visit espn.com only to find Kobe's picture covering the front with an article saying the same thing I did, what a coincidence. Now who's opinion is more creditable. A pack of people on an internet message board who hate the Lakers, and hate Kobe even more. Or a person who like the lakers and has espn.com and sports illustrated editors agreeing with him [this is not the first time I have used espn.com article's to back up my opinions] heres a clip from the article for your viewing pleasure...

Kobe can be and, in fact, will be one of those great team players, but as we have seen, there is only one other great player with him; the other Lakers are terribly limited or, like young Kareem Rush, too young to be of help now.

None of the current three-time world champion Lakers, not Bob Horry, not Derek Fisher, not Samaki Walker, not Rick Fox, can generate his own shot. Horry's shot takes too much time to get up, he shoots it in sections, and any good on-ball defender with enough size -- Keon Clark, let's say -- will close him out on a money look. He is not an all-court star or scorer, a point not lost on Horry when he tried to smother coach Danny Ainge with a towel on the Phoenix bench after Ainge unwisely demanded that he be one.

Samaki Walker ... we won't even discuss.

Rick Fox, great guy, terrific interview, Peja-stopper, but give him the ball, facing, with a Doug Christie in front of him, and the best option is to swing it ASAP.

So, if the ball comes into any other Laker player's hand, can he beat any defender he happens to run into, the way, say, Tracy McGrady can? Don't even take it to that high a level, just say the way an Allan Houston can, and did, when he dropped 53 points on the Lakers last Sunday?

Flatly, no. The other Lakers are utterly dependent on Kobe and Shaq to get their open shots for them. Not a one of them has the one-on-one offensive capabilities of a Dennis Johnson, a Kevin McHale, a Robert Parish, a James Worthy, a Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, a Byron Scott. They are limited.
 
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Question posted by Nitro GH to RevoL 2 days ago
Why because he shoots a lot? Please explain to me a simple question. Why wasnt Jordan considered selfish? Or do you think he was. You see, he averaged more shot attempts in certain years that Kobe ever has, or ever will for that matter. He had plenty of games where he shot 40-50 times in a game. He has no one else on his team that can shoot it right? If thats your answer, then tell me why they went to the playoffs without him. Shooting %? Nope, Kobe is atop with guards in that department (better then McGrady and WAY better then Iverson)[I would really like to hear an answer, I dont get to many run-ins with people who can actually argue any of what their saying on this board]