Bringing BAY AREA 2 THE FOREFRONT!

MONEY TREE · Sep 20, 2002

Money Tree Records
1658 E. Capitol Expwy. 307
San Jose CA 95121

e-mail: [email protected]
buisness line: 408-898-6019

we are ready to do the dam thang.......

imported_MASTERED_TRAX · Sep 20, 2002

A-WAX said:

DONT TAKE THIS TO THE HEART, CUZZ I FA SHO SEE WHAT YOU TALKIN BOUT, AND YOU RIGHT, IT SHOULD NOT BE SOME HALF FAST THROWN TOGETHER TYPE THING.... HOWEVER, WETHER SOMEONE IS WAC OR NOT, I THINK ITS MORE REALLY OF WHAT SOMEONE IS BRINGIN TO THE TABLE AND HOW COMMITTED THEY ARE.... AND WE ALL NOW SOUNDSCANS DONT SAY MUCH ABOUT A LABEL OR ARTIST.... AND FACT IS ITS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE AN UNBIASED PANEL OF JUDGES.... THINK ABOUT IT, ANY JOB ANYONE EVER GETS.... THE 1ST THING THEY DO IS SEE WHAT THEY CAN GET FOR FREE, OR WHAT THEY CAN HOOK THEIR HOMIES UP WITH..... AND WHO'S TO SAY WHO THE PANEL SHOULD BE??? AND ETC... THATS WHY AT LEAST IN MY OPINION, THIS MEETING THAT WE WILL SET, WILL HOPEFULLY BRING ALL THIS OUT IN THE AIR, AND WILL BE THE 1ST REAL STEP WE TAKE.... PLUS,THOSE THAT SHOW UP TO THE MEETING AND DONT LIKE THE IDEA, WELL THEY WONT HAVE TO WASTE OUR TIME OR THEIRS AFTER THE 1ST MEETING.... THEN THE 2ND MEETING WILL BE MORE TOWARDS WHAT WE GOIN FOR.... AT LEAST THATS HOW I FEEL.... BUT I DO AGREE, IT SHOULDNT BE JUST ANYONE AND THEY MOMMA IN THEIR, BUT YOU NEVER KNOW WHO MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP, WETHER ITS PROMOTION, STUDIO TIME, BEATS, GRAFIX... ETC....

kev ski · Sep 20, 2002

FUCK ALL THIS NETWORKING SHIT ,THIS IS THE SHIT THATS FUCKING UP THE BIZZ,PEOPLE NEED TO STAND ON THERE OWN, BOTTOM LINE IF YOUR SHIT AINT HOT DONT PUT IT OUT,SIMPLE!
LOWERING PRICES IS BULLSHIT I DONT THINK BOWING DOWN IS THE ANSWER, JUST MAKE GOOD MUSIC AND IT WILL SELL. ITS COOL TO KNOW WHO'S WHO BUT I LIKE TO DO MY OWN THING AND REPRESENT MYSELF CUZZ NOT EVERYONE IN THE BAY REPRESENTS ME OR MY WAY OF LIFE

LMD1510 · Sep 20, 2002

kev ski said:

that's how it is now, everyone standing on their own and obviously its not working...i think the goal of all this is to have power in numbers...if it doesn't work, it doesn't work...but its worth a try...

kev ski · Sep 20, 2002

LMD-IF YOU THINK PEOPLE ARE STANDING ON THERE OWN TELL ME WHO? POWER COMES IN GOOD MUSIC I DONT CARE WHO'S BEHIND YOU. LETS GET THIS STRAIGHT I LOVE WORKING WITH OTHERS,HOWEVER I LEANRNED WHAT I COULD ON MY OWN BEFORE I STUCK MY HAND OUT FOR HELP,I SEE ALOT OF PEOPLE THAT DONT HAVE A FOUNDATION TRYING TO MAKE ONE OFF OF OTHER PEOPLE,THATS BULLSHIT THIS GAME IS SO EASY TO GET INTO, ITS SIMPLE ,MOST PEOPLE DONT TAKE THE TIME TO ANALIZE THE MARKET AND FIGURE OUT WHERE THEY FIT IN IF THEY FIT AT ALL,I HAVE THE ABILITY TO RELEASE AN ALBUM EVERY MONTH IF I CHOOSE TO SO WHAT IF ITS NO GOOD. I BUY ALOT OF LOCAL SHIT AND END UP PISSED OFF,THEN I SEE THE SAME ARTIST ON THES SITE REPPIN THEY SHIT LIKE ITS THE NEXT BIG THING,TO ME THATS THE PROBLEM EVERYTHING IS TIGHT,BULLSHIT ,PEOPLE NEED TO STOP USEING THAT WORD SOMUCH

LMD1510 · Sep 20, 2002

kev ski said:

I see people standing on their own by everyone having their own label...and of course its because everyone wants to have control over their product...its understandable...but if there was one label or one group that could unify these artists, there is a better chance of gaining the attention of companies, radio stations or major labels...

I agree with you...most people don't do their homework...but if there is a group that could give people the resources they would need to learn how to succeed, it would be helpful....the one's that shouldn't be there will eventually be weeded out by the market, by their lack of market research or lack of talent....

I am coming into this as a fan..I have no alterior motives in getting involved with this project, I just want to see people I support get the chance to be supported on a larger level. I feel you on buying local stuff and being disappointed...but there is some local stuff that I buy that is quality, but because people know there is so much product out there, many don't even give any of it a chance and some with legitimate talent get overlooked due to a flooded market...

If a group can come together and bring more attention to these artists, more people will be aware of the names, the artists and the albums, and the first step in increasing sales is exposure...from that talent will make or break them...

Big C · Sep 20, 2002

kev ski/

I quote kev ski:
"FUCK ALL THIS NETWORKING SHIT ,THIS IS THE SHIT THATS FUCKING UP THE BIZZ,PEOPLE NEED TO STAND ON THERE OWN, BOTTOM LINE IF YOUR SHIT AINT HOT DONT PUT IT OUT,SIMPLE!
LOWERING PRICES IS BULLSHIT I DONT THINK BOWING DOWN IS THE ANSWER, JUST MAKE GOOD MUSIC AND IT WILL SELL. ITS COOL TO KNOW WHO'S WHO BUT I LIKE TO DO MY OWN THING AND REPRESENT MYSELF CUZZ NOT EVERYONE IN THE BAY REPRESENTS ME OR MY WAY OF LIFE"

I don't know how to do all that fancy quote in a box shit so I cut and pasted a few interesting tid bits about you kev ski.

But, before I get into that let me start by saying this.

I can't say I respect what you say, but your entitled to your opinions.
From what I gather I feel that you may be bi-polar, lonely, bored, an idiot, an instigator or plain and simply retarded.

I took the liberty of researching some of your past posts and I've come to the conclusion you don't know what the hell you're talking about. One minute your praising us for what we're doing in the post I started called "What Do You Expect From Your Distributor". is this kev ski again? "OTHER THAN THAT MY HATS OFF TO YOU GUYS, THE WEST WOULD BE DEAD WITHOUT YOU,"

If you didn't know; that's networking. Let's quote the incomparable kev ski again, "FUCK ALL THIS NETWORKING SHIT..."

Ok, if Networking is the shit, "THATS FUCKING UP THE BIZZ,"Why would you come to a "Networking BBQ or should I say 'CCQ’?

‘Just Got Back From the CCQ’
I quote you! "I HAD A GOOD TIME, NICE TO MEET SOME COOL PEOPLE,DAMN STUFF LIKE THIS MAKES ME WANNA START DOING MUSIC AGAIN."

If that wasn't enough to substantiate my remarks of your mental instability let's keep going, shall we?

‘Recommend Some Good Shit’
I quote you! "peep AOBIE A DAMN FOOL, the best indi album from the bay hands down"
Are you promoting here? Maybe suggesting something that may be good listening? Are you doing this on a NETWORKING FORUM?
Hmm, I thought networking is "FUCKING UP THE BIZZ,"

While I'm at it let's look at a couple of more of your posts.
This is yours...
"deal on mastering"
HEY ANYONE NEEDING AN ALBUM MASTERED IM GIVEING DEALS,

COMPLETE ALBUM FOR $250
ALSO IF YOU WANT A MIXED MODE CD-AUDIO WITH A VIDEO
IM CHARGEING $350 INCLUDES MASTERING,QUICKTIMEPROGRAN FOR VIDEO PLAYBACK AND ADDING YOUR VIDEO FOOTAGE

HIT ME
KEVIN BROWN,
BOMBFACTORY MASTERING
1707-694-8849 [email protected]

Was that mastering up there? I think it was.
And you even put your info up there. Interesting!

Here's one you replied to.

‘Support The West Coast’
I quote you! “most of the shit in the bay is played out to me the east coast is on another level at this point,”

So why are you trying to master bay area shit? I quote you! "HEY ANYONE NEEDING AN ALBUM MASTERED IM GIVEING DEALS," Why? So it can sound better?

The Siccness Network » Regions » B.A.R.T. » What Do You Expect From Your Distributor???

I quote you! "ID LIKE TO SEE MORE NETWORKING BETWEEN

DISTRIBUTORS IT SEEMS THAT ALOT OF YOU GUYS DONT GET ALONG WITH EACHOTHER VERY WELL,IF IM PUTTING A PROJECT OUT I WANT EVERY MARKET POSSABLE WITHIN MY BUDGET AND ITS HARD WHEN YOU GUTS DONT LIKE EACH OTHER,
ALSO ID LIKE TO SEE YOU GUYS BE MORE PICKY WITH WHAT YOU WILL CARRY,ALOT OF PEOPLE WONDER WHY RECORD SALES ARE DOWN ,SHIT LOOK AT THE SHEVES! IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY FEW MONTHS THERES A RERELEASE OF A OLD ALBUM.

OTHER THAN THAT MY HATS OFF TO YOU GUYS, THE WEST WOULD BE DEAD WITHOUT YOU,"

So kev, what are you thinking? If Bay Area rap sucks and networking is fucking everything up KEEP YOUR FUCKING MONEY, GET OFF THIS SITE, AND TAKE YOUR NEGATIVE ASS TO THE EAST COAST!

I didn't want to have to rip into you like that, but you deserved every letter and punctuation mark!

kev ski · Sep 20, 2002

BIG-C,YOU MUST NOT SEE WHAT I SEE, THEN YOU KNOW THAT PEOPLE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF BIZZ ON THERE OWN ,I SAID IT AND I STAND BY IT WHEN I SAY THAT MOST OF THE INDY MUSIC FROM THE BAY SUCKS CUZZ IT DOES, IF YOU FEEL DIFFERENT THEN THATS YOU,BUT DONT BLAME IT ON NETWORKING THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT,AS FAR AS YOU SAYING IM NEGATIVE THATS YOUR OPENION ,I SAY WHAT I FEEL SO FUCK WHAT ANBODY ELSE THINKS IM DOWN GOOD MUSIC AND PEOPLE THAT PUT HARD WORK INTO THERE SHIT AND AINT BLIND TO THE FACT THAT WHAT THEY DO MAY NOT BE GOOD ENOUGH FOT THE MASSES TO LIKE SO FUCK WHAT YOU THINK I KISS NO ASS ,I PUT IN MY WORK WITHOUT KISSIN ASS AND CAN HOLD MY OWN SO IF YOU DONT LIKE WHAT I SAY THEN THATS TO BAD,AND ASFAR AS EAST/WEST SHIT DONT TRY TO PLAY ME ON THAT SHIT IM PAST ALLTHAT I LIKE GOOD MUSIC REGARDLESS OF WHERE ITS FROM

KEV-SKI AMGMUSIC 1993-

Big C · Sep 20, 2002

kev ski/Do your thing somewhere else. We're having a hard enough time putting this shit togther, w/o having such negative thoughts on this post.
If you feel that way, everytime you see a Big C post ignore it. Don't worry about what we're doing.
I don't feel that anyone is ass kissing. That's your conscience asking you what you should do.
Besides, I don't think anyone should be kissing my ass, it's too hairy.
Hey good luck in what you do. I really mean that. Hopefully when you're rich and at the Grammy's you'll give us 'gluttons for punishment' shots out!

Peace,
Cuda

Eternal Designs · Sep 20, 2002

Cuda- I was going to say something along the same lines but you beat me to it!

Hate to burst your bubble.. but with that attitude you're not gonna get far. Has the industry not been kind to you or are you having a bad month? Networking is a key element not only in the music biz, but in any sales oriented business. You think Microsoft would be where they are without building relationships with key people in their industry? Its the same with music.

Lowering prices isn't bowing down. Its pleasing your customers. Remember them? The people who spend their hard earned cash on your releases. This is still a business and although businesses are in it to make money, you need to remeber the number one rule; the customer is alway right. The customers have wanted lower CD prices for years. The RIAA instead raised the MSRP for retalers to 18.99 about 2 years ago. And they wonder why people don't buy as much. That's not to say that's the only reason, but it plays a part. Do you know that CD prices have risen, not fallen in the 20 years they've been out? Also currently you probably sell your CDs wholesale to your distributor for between $6-$7.50 a unit. That's a around a 500% - 600% profit margin. If you lower your price to $4.00 a unit your still making 250% profit, unheard of in most businesses.

Just making good music isn't gonna get you platinum. Just because you have a knockin album doesn't mean you're guaranteed sales. This isn't 93-97. You can't just throw it out there and people will pick it up. Now a days more than ever you have to EARN your customers sales. Give 'em a reason the spend that 18.99 on you.

I glad you were out able to pick up knowledge on your own. That being said there is a chinese proverb that comes to mind:
He who asks is a fool for 5 minutes. He who doesn't is fool for life.

imported_MASTERED_TRAX · Sep 20, 2002

3 THINGS.....

I GIVE KEV SKI PROPS BOUT THIS 1 THING YOU SAID, CUZZ LIKE YOU, I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO ALOT ON MY OWN, I RUN MY WHOLE FUCCIN LABEL BY MYSELF, AND HUSTLE AND DO MORE SHIT THAN 4-5 LABELS COMBINED... FACT IS, NOT EVERYONE IS LIKE THIS OR KNOWS WHAT TO DO.... MAYBEE WE OLD SCHOOL A LIL... BUT NOW I WANT TO HELP THESE CATS... BECAUSE IF WE IGNORE THE FACT THAT WE ARE SUFFERING AND JUST KEEP DOIN OUR OWN LIL THING, ITS JUST GONNA GET WORSE.... WE DO NEED TO NETWORK AND SHARE MY SHIT WITH YOU AND ETC..... AND THE NEXT MAN.... BLA BLA BLA.... BUT YEAH, PEOPLE JUST USING THE NEXT MAN AND WANTIN SHIT FOIR FREE OR WHATEVER, THATS WAC, BUT I DONT CALL THAT NETWORKING.....

2.... HOW MUCH DOES A CD COST YOU??? MOST TIMES, LESS THEN $1 DEPENDIN ON YA HOOK UP.... IF YOU ONLY MAKIN $4, THATS STILL A 300% PROFIT.... NOW YA SHIT ALSO WILL BE IN STORES FOR MAYBEE 12.99- 14.99 OR SO... BUT WE GET GREEDY AND WANT THAT $6-7 INSTEAD, AND WE SELL LESS AMOUNT OF UNITS, CUZZ NOW THEY AT THE STORE FOR 16.99-18.99.... WHO WANNA BUY A CD FOR THAT??? NOT ME, NOT EVEN SOMEONE WELL KNOW WILL I PAY THAT PRICE.... WE MUST UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CONSUMER WANTS, THE FANS... THEY DO WANT GOOD MUZIC, SURE..... BUT THEY DONT WANT TO PAY REDICULOUS PRICES FOR A CD THAT THEN ISNT THAT GOOD... SO ITS HARDLEY BOWING DOWN, ITS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD HAVE DONE A LONG TIME AGO... FUCC SELLIN 1000 UNITS FOR $6, WHEN I KNOW YOU CAN DOUBLE THOSE UNITS AND GET $4.... SO I NOT ONLY GOT MORE UNITS SOLD, BUT I MADE MORE ALSO!!!

3.... GOOD MUZIC DONT MEAN SHIT!!! YOU STILL NEED PROMOTION, AND A GOOD PRICE FOR YOUR CD.... DO SHOWS, DO IN STORES, GET YOUR ASS OUT ON THE STREETS, MEET THE PUBLIC, SHAKE HANDS, FAX YOUR 1-SHEET TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE, AND ETC.... TOO MANY CATS DONT DO THIS SHIT... THAT EFFECTS YOUR SALES... BELIEVE THAT!!!

IF YOU AINT DOWN WHEN IT REALLY GET CRACCIN, DONT SAY WE DIDNT TELL YOU ABOUT IT.... (THATS TO EVERYONE)

B-12 · Sep 20, 2002

Damn, I stepped away from the computer today and this shit got crazy! At any rate, let me start by saying again...everyone is entitled to their opinion. This being said, I have a problem with your opinion Kev Ski because it seems biased. It seems like you are a little bitter about this music shit. I feel you kind of, because I watched this music business practivally fall apart in front of my eyes over the last year and particularly the Bay Area scene that I am proud to say I had alot to do with building back up. But where I don't feel you is where you get off saying "all this music out here is weak" or something to that effect. I mean, its like you have an almighty ear that knows when shit is good or bad.

Now, I don't like alot of shit myself, but asI said in previous posts, everybody has an audience and I can't be the decider of if something is weak or not. If I told everyone on here that I wasn't an Andre Nickatina, Mob Figaz, Mac Dre fan, alot of you would say that I'm "crazy" or I'm a "hater". But thats my opinion, however I recognize that those dudes have significant fan bases and alot of people would disagree with me but I know they sell records and people think their tight.

Now the only stuff I am familiar with you putting out was the KRAFT compilation that WE distributed like three years ago. And you and I both know how that did and how well you guys promoted that. Now I can honestly say I didn't feel that shit, or your artwork, but I didn't allow that to bias me with regard to distributing you because I based it on the fact that you guys seemed honest, hardworking and determined. Three things that will get you alot further than an asshole who got money and talent. I just don't see how you are an authority on this shit, thats all.

As for "networking", I agree, that term is to loosely used and is mostly utilized by cats who don't want to break bread on features or artwork or distribution or something. But on the real, the "standing" on your own shit obviously hasn't worked for 99% of you artists and labels out there so something is definitely wrong. I as Bayside can stand on my own, Cuda could stand on his own at ADI, shit, alot of the successful people on this board who do contribute to this forum and try to help or "network" should be thanked because they aren't being dicks and trying to stand on their own and hog alll the money and the fame.

I never said this "organization" could win or will ever come to light but it's worth a shot because ain't shit else working.

A-Wax: Agreed. Again, I know you are outspoken alot of times but your shit be on point dog. I don't think whatever we are trying to do should be automatically inclusive of everybody and there should be standards to this shit but we do need to run everything through a "committee" or "assembly line" like the great Berry Gordy used to at Motown. We can't water our shit down and sink it before it floats. My thoughts are this shit would work better as a union that works for the better of everyone but everyone still does their own thing but utilizes the resources of the whole team.

This is food for thought for everyone though: 100 people contribute $1,000 dollars and we have a $100,000 war chest to kick this shit off. Thats some good dough to launch a big artist and work to the common good of the unit. Strength in numbers...but only for the real muthafuckas.

Cuda and Eternal, keep lacin' these cats.

As always, my humble opinion.

12er

kev ski · Sep 20, 2002

jim,look at it this way,any project that i get involved with has to have a recording budget of at least 25k bottom line,its not enough to put out an album, i want mass appeal and a good sounding cd, if i sell cds for $4.00 a pop then i cant make any money doing it independent,and this dont include promotions duplication or any other costs, if the bay is gonna be a factor again then it starts with good music ,production,recording, and a good concept for it to happen bottom line, i see people complainin bout radio play n shit you gotta have somthin people want to hear

the game is to sold not told-this is the number one reason the market is overcrowded, people have access to everything needed to put out a project this is why im so opposed to networking, alot of people havent put in work on there own, you got kids right? do they got to earn there shit or you gonna do everything for them? i got 14 years in this shit and enjoy it very much but not when everybody and they cousin runin around wit an attitude that they the shit,if half these same people had to put in alot of work then they wouldnt be runnin they mouths like they gods, i see people cryin bout payin 5k for a track but trying to compete wit majors, this is the result of networking with people that aint real about what they can do, if they where then they wouldnt have a problem paying for good shit, its all good if you aint trying to make this shit a living,think about whwre your gonna be ten years from now, then youll start to understand me fellings

kev ski amgmusic 1993-

imported_MASTERED_TRAX · Sep 21, 2002

KEV, I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU COMIN FROM, BUT $25K BUDGET??? IF YOU NETWORK RIGHT , YOU SHOULDNT NEED TO SPEND MORE THAN 10K TO PUT A TIGHT ALBUM TOGETHER, AND THATS WITH FEATURES.... I WONT SAY WHAT I SPENT ON MY LASY ALBUM, BUT I SPENT MORE THAN I NEEDED TO, BUT WELL UNDER THAT 25K YOU TALKIN, AND MY SHIT IS AS PROFESSIONAL AS YOU CAN GET, W/O GOIN TO DRE, RIC ROCK OR BOSKO.... ITS NOT ALWAYS THE MONEY, ITS HOW YOU USE IT.....

Baller B · Sep 21, 2002

A little late here, but I haven't checked the site in a minute...
Baller Sign Music is down. This sounds like it could be just what the Bay needs to get things crackin' again. It seems like there's a lot of folks comin' together on this! Big C made a big step here to get the ball rolling and it probably never would have happened if he didn't take the initiative. Major props!

[email protected]

kev ski · Sep 21, 2002

jim,im talking about recording in a world class studio,i know a few spots in my area that are about $65-75 hr for blocks,figure 50 hours to record,then i want to mix with a top notch mixer,figure about another 5k for his services+studio time,its about 20-25k, from start to finnish i want the best my money can buy and im not afraid to spend it if the right project comes along,as far as production its hard to say who to use,if a person does there own cool,if not then id like to stick with no more than 1-3 producers,its hard to figure out an artists concept when they us a lot of different producers, look at rap-a-lot, they use alot of inhouse production,n.o.joe,mike dean, suavehouse,t-mix did most of the albums ,cash money,dj mannie fresh,etc. this is what i think it takes to compete in music business,i could be wrong but from what ive learned over the years is that good product aint cheap

as for features,im not feeling it at this time i think to artist need to come with true solo albums, if thats your thing cool,but its always an option that you can choose later,also its your chance to shine so why not do something different? it can only help

imported_MASTERED_TRAX · Sep 21, 2002

WELL, HERE IS OUR POINT.... WHO DO WE KNOW IN THE BAY THAT HAS A BUDGET OF $20-25k ?????

I DONT KNOW 1 PERSON THAT AINT GOT A MAJOR DEAL THAT CAN AFFORD THAT KINDA BUDGET.... SO WE NEED TO FIGURE WAYS OF STILL PUTTIN OUT GOOD PRODUCT BUT NOT SPENDING THAT 20 G'Z....

SURE ID LOVE TO JUST KICK IT WITH DRE AND TIMBERLAND ALL DAY AND HAVE MY SHIT RECORDED WITH THOUSAND DOLLA MIC'S AND ETC... BUT IT AINT HAPPENING... TIL THEN YOU JUST GOTTA MAKE DUE, AND NETWORK IN ORDER TO GET THAT GOOD PRODUCTION, AND RECORDING.... I KNOW WHAT YOU TALKIN BOUT THO....

B-12 · Sep 21, 2002

Spending alot of money isn't the answer. Period.

Quality matters but so does hustle.

Cuda: Let me know what weekend other than the 12th.

Peace.

BASEDVATO · Sep 22, 2002

EVERYONE is gonna want to jump aboard, think personally you have to be real selective of who and what you allow on the Union or you promote... That key, if you have hand full of talent, and just a bunch of garbge artists willing to pay, i don't think it'll work, cause you'll just be promoting the cats thats hurting us most, and the cosumer will remember the LOGO on the bak of the CD, as wish-washy music, and stay distant of it

LMD1510 · Sep 22, 2002

N JAIL...

thats a real good point, once each label is in the group, they will be representing the group as a whole to some extent...and if someone listens to a crappy album and remembers that label group logo, the next time they see it on a cd, they might just pass it up....nice point...

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