I never said he wasn't tough, and I'll explain. He is a great quarterback, but top 5? No, he never learned from the stupid mistakes he would make, in 2001 against the Rams in the playoffs, he throws 6 INT's and cost them the game. In his second Super bowl against the Broncos, the Pack need a drive, he goes 3 and out. When I say he's overrated, people make him out to be a god, he has a lot of records because he's been starting since 1992!!! Is he a hall of fame quarterback, sure, but stats don't say everything.