Brazil's Indians offended by Pope comments

[2-0-Sixx]

The are socialists everywhere, but i bet you the vast majority are concentrated in the Dublin area which is slowly losing its Irish identity.

As I mentioned above, socialism has a very long history in Ireland (over 100 years) and you'd be a fool to think it does not have influence in their daily lives (do you not think the Labour Party in Ireland isn't full of socialists?). It's like saying socialism doesn't play a role in Europe in general

If you go out in the countryside you will find that nearly 100% of the population is Catholic.

Stats please.

Ireland is very religious no doubt, but to say "my ancestors would roll in the grave" simply because I'm not catholic is preposterous.

No one is saying you should be Catholic but i bet your ancestors were and you should respect them by not insulting the Pope like you are,

First off, I really don't give a fuck about my ancestors. They are long dead and have nothing to do with me.

Second, they are dead so even if I did care, they no longer exist.

Third, you don't think there have been many, many Irish to insult previous popes?

King Henry II of England landed with an army of 4,000 at Waterford in October 1171, he came at the Pope’s behest, carrying as his authority the Papal Bull Laudabiliter, by which the Roman Pontiff claimed the right to bestow Ireland as a gift to the English King, on condition that he suppress the ancient Bible-believing Celtic or Culdee Church, and bring the island and its people into submission to Rome. We reproduce herewith, the Bull Laudabiliter by which Pope Adrian IV gave Ireland to England.

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After King Henry’s victorious conquest of Ireland, and reception of congratulatory mail from Pope Adrian’s successor, Alexander III, one of his first acts was to call the Council of Cashel in 1172 at which the ancient Celtic Church of Ireland was brought under the yoke of Roman bondage.​

This, as I'm sure you can imagine, caused a tad bit of criticism!

by all means disagree with him but the personal attacks are unnecessary

Again, you have yet to explain why the pope deserves my respect. How is the pope any different from any other world leader? Just because he's Catholic? As I have clearly demonstrated, and since you ignored it's safe to assume you must agree, there have been popes that supported fascism and dictators, etc., these men obviously don't deserve any respect and all, some of them should have been executed for their crimes against humanity. Should any world leader that is Catholic deserve my respect simply because I'm part Irish? Or do other religious leaders deserve it as well. Perhaps Jerry Farwel and Pat Robertsen? How bout the Dali Lama? George Bush is a good Christian, maybe he deserves it as well...

 

[coondogg26]

As I mentioned above, socialism has a very long history in Ireland (over 100 years) and you'd be a fool to think it does not have influence in their daily lives (do you not think the Labour Party in Ireland isn't full of socialists?). It's like saying socialism doesn't play a role in Europe in general




Stats please.

Ireland is very religious no doubt, but to say "my ancestors would roll in the grave" simply because I'm not catholic is preposterous.



First off, I really don't give a fuck about my ancestors. They are long dead and have nothing to do with me.

Second, they are dead so even if I did care, they no longer exist.

Third, you don't think there have been many, many Irish to insult previous popes?

King Henry II of England landed with an army of 4,000 at Waterford in October 1171, he came at the Pope’s behest, carrying as his authority the Papal Bull Laudabiliter, by which the Roman Pontiff claimed the right to bestow Ireland as a gift to the English King, on condition that he suppress the ancient Bible-believing Celtic or Culdee Church, and bring the island and its people into submission to Rome. We reproduce herewith, the Bull Laudabiliter by which Pope Adrian IV gave Ireland to England.

[...]

After King Henry’s victorious conquest of Ireland, and reception of congratulatory mail from Pope Adrian’s successor, Alexander III, one of his first acts was to call the Council of Cashel in 1172 at which the ancient Celtic Church of Ireland was brought under the yoke of Roman bondage.​

This, as I'm sure you can imagine, caused a tad bit of criticism!



Again, you have yet to explain why the pope deserves my respect. How is the pope any different from any other world leader? Just because he's Catholic? As I have clearly demonstrated, and since you ignored it's safe to assume you must agree, there have been popes that supported fascism and dictators, etc., these men obviously don't deserve any respect and all, some of them should have been executed for their crimes against humanity. Should any world leader that is Catholic deserve my respect simply because I'm part Irish? Or do other religious leaders deserve it as well. Perhaps Jerry Farwel and Pat Robertsen? How bout the Dali Lama? George Bush is a good Christian, maybe he deserves it as well...

I think that the title of Pope comes with a certain level of respect and making personal attacks just belittles your opinion. I think that most world leaders who haven't committed murder (sadam, ect., and dont say the pope has committed murder) deserve a certain level of respect due to the fact they have risen to such a high level. I couldn't disagree more with George Bush's policies but i do believe that he deserves a certain level of respect because he is our president. I have no problem with you disagreeing with the Catholic church or their history but i do have a problem with you saying what you did about the Pope, when you insult my religion you are insulting me. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but i think people will take your opinion much more serious if you make it less personal.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Just because someone holds a certain title that alone should not demand respect. No, a man should earn respect through his actions. George Bush certainly does not deserve respect from any man or women on the planet, including America.

What you said is along the lines of saying that we should all bow down to the aristocrats...we should respect the nobles and all us lower-class commoners should kiss their feet. Fuck that, a title is just a title.

Sorry if it hurts your feelings that I insulted the pope but I, like many others, don't judge people by titles, I judge people by their actions.

 

[coondogg26]

Just because someone holds a certain title that alone should not demand respect. No, a man should earn respect through his actions. George Bush certainly does not deserve respect from any man or women on the planet, including America.

What you said is along the lines of saying that we should all bow down to the aristocrats...we should respect the nobles and all us lower-class commoners should kiss their feet. Fuck that, a title is just a title.

Sorry if it hurts your feelings that I insulted the pope but I, like many others, don't judge people by titles, I judge people by their actions.

you can judge them but the fact that someone is the president of the United States of America is enough to demand a certain amount of respect. Im not saying you should bow down to them at all, but they should be treated with respect, like everyone else on the planet.

 

[|GOD|||ZILLA|]

the pope have been corrupt since the 50's... fuck them all.

 

[Mac Jesus]

I guess the pope never read up on the encomienda system and the conquistadors. The spanish conquest of central and south america nearly destroyed the whole culture, and it was all in the name of God.

 

[2-0-NINE]

I guess the pope never read up on the encomienda system and the conquistadors. The spanish conquest of central and south america nearly destroyed the whole culture, and it was all in the name of God.

In the name of God, or in the name of Human Pride?

 

[Honestyiskey]

^ in the name of God. sad isnt it.

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

The fact that the pope was voted into his position is proof that he hasn't any religious authority.

 

[Home-E]

agree with all you said.

how holy is he really? look at this pic.

that upside down cross is killing me. Thats evil

 

[Honestyiskey]

STOP DENYING THE HOLOCAUST POPE! THEY KILLED IN THE NAME OF GOD WITH THE SUPPORT OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.. please read this letter:

A Native's response to Mayor Berry's racist comments
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From: Nahuatl (MEH-SHEE-KAH) Mexicatl
Date: 16 Apr 2007, 22:46


David's semi- peaceful response to Houston's Mayor
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From: SAVE THE SACRED SITES
Date: Apr 16, 2007 9:51 PM


Mayor Berry,
I know that you have apologized. So I am not here to chastize you.
My father was a highly decorated Marine in WW II. He was in military intelligence. And then fought in the Pacific against the Japanese. He fought bravely and never backed down from the enemy.
I was a Marine from 1966 -70. Our son is in the Marines and has been to Iraq five times as a sharp shooter. He is one of their best marksmen and has taken a high tole on this countries enemies.
My father's ancestors have been in this miltary fighting for this country against this nations enemies since it has had a military. We became Christians and took Christian names. We have had several ministers and law officers in our family. My wife was a law officer and worked for the GBI. We are real Americans.

Mostly what we have found is that there is a lot of mis-information out there. I know that you are highly educated. But I'll bet you never heard in your education any of the following verifiable historic facts.

First, We were not the savages that the false history portrays us as. We had political, cultural, and spiritual evolvement. Your constitution was taken from the Iroquios constitution by Ben Franklin, who studied it and copied much of it from their meetings which he attended.

Second, it wasn't this nation that really defeated Native Americans. It was disease. More Native Americans died from the diseases that Europeans brought with them that they had never experienced. If Native peoples had had their original numbers that they had before European diseases devastated them, there would have been more instances like the George Custer defeat. And, yes, some of us were given small pox blankets as "gifts" to wipe us out and make us easier to defeat
But the fact was that Natives were a basically peacful people who were fighting with a reminant of their numbers. Treaties were made and not one was kept. Suppose bird flu devasted the USA.
After the bird flu, suppose the USA was invaded by
Iran and they forced us to all be Muslims or die. That is what the Spanish did. They hung Natives for practicing their freedom of religion. And they were not pagans. Most believed in One God, the Creator.
But no one asked. They just murdered.

Third, The treaties promised Natives certain monies and compensations for the lands that they were forced to give up. This has never been paid. Thgere is back rent owed for the lands that were never compesated for.
Fourth, Casinos are a myth. As in most governments nowdays the few benefit while many suffer poverty.
And many Natives spiritual values will not let them accept this type of money taken from others losses and suffering.

Fifth, Most Native were taken from their families and put in boarding schools that they didn't want to go to. They were beaten for speaking their language. Some were raped/ molested by the preists or other white overseers.
My own wife was taken from here parents and given to whites to raise so that she could be "assimulated" into this society. How would you like to be beaten for speaking English? How would you like your kids taken from you and molested, and it so upsets their minds that they become addicted to alcohol and drugs? Alcohol was freely provided by the whiskey runners to purposely addict Natives and keep them down.

There is so much more that I could tell you. But it would make this email too long and it is very long as it is.
Mr. Berry, sit down and ask Natives for the real history.
We would be happy to give it to you, not proganda, history.

And yes, my wife and I are Native. Our courageous ancestors complained very little through all the genocide that was done here. Adolph Hitler said that the US had no right to criticize him for his treatment of the Jews, because he just copied the US policies towards Native Americans.

That is nothing to be proud of. Genocide is not war. It is mass murder. But I am not here for guilt trips.
But to heal the wounds of the past, we must start to tell the truth. Once the truth starts being told then we can move forward from there. You can not heal a boil unless you lance it and get all the bad stuff out into the light and fresh air. Then it starts to heal.

But we have fought and died for this is our land for as far back as real history records in our peoples collective memory. Tsalagi Aniyunwiya. You call us Cherokee is what we are. But there were millions of other peoples who no longer exist because of brutality and disease niflicted on them.

I offer you the same hand that our ancestors have
offered to yours for generations in an attempt to bring resolutions to our differences. Sit down and talk to us.
Learn real history and speak the truth, not propaganda that has been spoken and believed as truth, but real truth.

If you email me back, I will give you our phone number and we can sit down and begin dialogue to learn from each other. By the way, I have white ancestors also. They came in peace and helped our people, and our ancestors adopted them. So we do not hate white people. We just want what all people want: truth, justice, freedom, and a fair chance to be something in this world. Yes we have our bad folks. But so do you. Let's start on a level playing ground and talk just as two men, face to face, and learn, not only our differences, but our similarities.
Thank you for your time.
In and respect for all living things,
David Kitchen

 

[Snubnoze]

The Portuguese were EXTREMELY fucked up to the Natives of Brazil, and equally if not worse to their African slaves.