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what do you mean it hasn't been done before? didn't you watch vargas / de la hoya? i know you read back on tommy morrison story he didn't even know how he got teh aids saying it mighta been roids or hoes?

blood tests are always done not just recently but that's not what i'm talking about. maybe there's a process you mean to say in what they are doing now.
olympic style testing had never been done before in boxing. they've always drug tested but not by the USDA.

that's why at the time it seemed it was a bit extreme, but like I said hindsight and times have changed. we've seen a lot of guys follow floyd's footsteps and that's good cuz I believe it will become part of the standard testing.
 
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olympic style testing had never been done before in boxing. they've always drug tested but not by the USDA.

that's why at the time it seemed it was a bit extreme, but like I said hindsight and times have changed. we've seen a lot of guys follow floyd's footsteps and that's good cuz I believe it will become part of the standard testing.

that's cool. the only trouble i see with that pertaining to this dream fight is pac lives and works (congress) in the philippines which would require "wada" "usada" isn't enough cause most of his time spent is over seas. he would have to leave his lively hood back home for who knows how long just to agree to this testing.

if he could do it that's good but he hasn't yet. who knows?
 
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thank god mosley retired always been a piece of shit in my book, i mean his biggest wins were over de la hoya but then he later confessed he was juicing during those fights so fuck him only win that bum ever gets credit for is the margarito win.
shane has always been a great fighter even as a teenager he was amazing. that's skill.

I give a lot of those guys juicing in those days a pass cause it was so common and the commissions for the most pardon didn't even care if u tested dirty.. would u call roy jones a bum or james toney a bum or Holyfield bums in their primes? besides its more than likely Oscar was taking the same shit, that's why he never challenged to have that loss ruled a No Contest. Oscar had some of his test results hidden and there has always been industry chatter by highly respected people that oscar was using and paid millions to keep results under wraps.

in those days often if u tested dirty the commission would send u a letter and say don't do it again lol. that's what they did to roy jones only reason it became public is cause someone fucked up and it accidentally leaked. testing was a joke!

I look at the 90's and that era like baseball before drug testing. I'm sure most all the top guys were on something.

since then though the testing got better and shane never tested dirty. shane has always been a good guy of boxing, even if he fucked up with Balco but he certainly wasn't alone in those days.

he had a lot of good wins not just margarito have no idea why u would say that.
 
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that's cool. the only trouble i see with that pertaining to this dream fight is pac lives and works (congress) in the philippines which would require "wada" "usada" isn't enough cause most of his time spent is over seas. he would have to leave his lively hood back home for who knows how long just to agree to this testing.

if he could do it that's good but he hasn't yet. who knows?
no that shouldn't be an issue. Olympics are worldwide obviously and the usda obviously doesn't test every single athlete in every single country. as long as the testing is overseen by WADA all is good. I think the usda even said they could test pac in the Philippines as well.
 
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well shit, if "wada" Over Sees it and "usada" Does It.

fuck it..

far as i remember pac agreed to all of it maybe this year? i'm so tired of this shit i don't even care there's always something new popping up from articles i'll start paying more attention when it "really" looks like things are getting hashed out.

2 sides to every story. 1 truth.

and i kinda find it funny a religious upstanding dude who abides by the bible for all his morals who is obviously not half stepping. is being scrutinized for his honesty.

or is it asians aren't supposed to be successful athletes hahaha!

if i remember right blacks started the term "playa hata!"

props to mayweather on his last fight but this dude ridiculous in my book.
 
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yeah pac has agreed to all the testing, the only thing that was holding up the fight last time was money. Floyd wanted 100% of the PPV and simply pay pac a flat fee of $40 million, which obviously wont happen.

So assuming drug testing isn't an issue there is money & the weight. Shit probably wont ever happen especially with Pac one foot out the door you never know what he's going to do, if he has a poor showing against bradley he may retire and just focus on politics. Floyd you really don't know what he's going to do either after he does his time in jail, maybe something changes in him and he focuses on being a big time promoter. It's really not worth debating cuz I think there is a less than 25% chance of this fight happening any time soon (within a year). Maybe they'll finally agree to fight when they both are old and irrelevant. They are both a bit past their primes as it is. Floyd is more exciting now but he's not quite the same as he was a few years ago. Pac likewise seems to have lost some of his explosiveness. The expiration date for this fight is coming up quite rapidly.
 
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why would the Senate et al investigate Pacquiao if he hasn't tested dirty? he hasn't broken any laws or even any rules.

if we put aside that pac has agreed to Olympic testing and for sake of argument say he'll never do them in the future, what rule is he breaking? Olympic style testing isn't mandatory in boxing or in the UFC, its voluntary. I just don't get what he would be investigated for and who with power would care.

top rank could be investigated but all promoters should for that matter, golden boy, don king, etc their all shady.
 

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why would the Senate et al investigate Pacquiao if he hasn't tested dirty? he hasn't broken any laws or even any rules.
That's exactly why he needs to be investigated. They need to see if he has broken any laws/rules.

if we put aside that pac has agreed to Olympic testing and for sake of argument say he'll never do them in the future, what rule is he breaking? Olympic style testing isn't mandatory in boxing or in the UFC, its voluntary. I just don't get what he would be investigated for and who with power would care.
His suit against Floyd comes into play here. He's suing Floyd, so it's on him to prove his civil case by preponderance of evidence. What's he gonna say? "I never tested positive?" Well how the fuck do we know he wasn't on some shit if no one really investigated?

Listen, I like what Manny does, and I like what Floyd does, but something is strange about this whole Manny thing. I'm not talking about moving up in weight classes, winning titles, no longer getting knocked out. That's not what causes me to raise my eye brow. What causes me to look at the shit from a new perspective was that timeline Tony posted, some of the shit bigface posted, some of the shit hayzel posted, some of the shit you posted, some of the shit I posted, etc. The strange and mysterious shit coming from Pac's camp...The shit doesn't add up or make logical sense, comrade.

top rank could be investigated but all promoters should for that matter, golden boy, don king, etc their all shady.
I agree, but Top Rank needs to be investigated asap.
 
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That's exactly why he needs to be investigated. They need to see if he has broken any laws/rules.
That doesn't even make any sense man. You're saying Pac should be investigated because he hasn't broken any rules? Ok, let's investigate Bernard Hopkins, Andre Ward, Chad Dawson, any many other top fighters while were at it cuz they haven't broken any rules.

There has to be a serious reason to investigate for such powerful organizations (the senate?!) to investigate.

His suit against Floyd comes into play here. He's suing Floyd, so it's on him to prove his civil case by preponderance of evidence. What's he gonna say? "I never tested positive?" Well how the fuck do we know he wasn't on some shit if no one really investigated?
His proof is his dozens of clean test results. Again I don't see who would investigate. His civil case is exactly that, civil, so that's a game for the lawyers to play. No powerful organization is going to give two shits about some weak civil case that's likely going to get thrown out.

Listen, I like what Manny does, and I like what Floyd does, but something is strange about this whole Manny thing. I'm not talking about moving up in weight classes, winning titles, no longer getting knocked out. That's not what causes me to raise my eye brow. What causes me to look at the shit from a new perspective was that timeline Tony posted, some of the shit bigface posted, some of the shit hayzel posted, some of the shit you posted, some of the shit I posted, etc. The strange and mysterious shit coming from Pac's camp...The shit doesn't add up or make logical sense, comrade.
no longer getting knocked out why you even bring that up when he was like 16-17 years old?

anyways any "strange and mysterious" stuff could mean anything and everyone is entitled to their own opinions but the senate isn't going to care about a boxer, from the Philippines, nor would they care about Floyd or any other boxer.

logical sense could simply be bob arum doesn't want to make the fight. that's logical. maybe he wants to milk Pacquiao more. maybe he only wants in house fighting so his greedy ass gets more money. lots of logical possibilities exist.
 

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That doesn't even make any sense man.
It makes perfect sense. You don't need to have a dirty test to start an investigation. That's what investigations are for, bro. A person is suspected of some shit and people (investigating bodies) look into the matter.

You're saying Pac should be investigated because he hasn't broken any rules? Ok, let's investigate Bernard Hopkins, Andre Ward, Chad Dawson, any many other top fighters while were at it cuz they haven't broken any rules.
How many of these guys refused to take the test? Now mind you, I don't agree with Floyd trying to be the one man show when it comes to cleaning up the sport, and believe he overstepped his bounds at times, but his direction (even if it was truly to benefit him) needs to be considered.

There has to be a serious reason to investigate for such powerful organizations (the senate?!) to investigate.
Yes, the senate, congress, or whoever else has the power to investigate, they need to investigate the shit. They investigated all these other sports guys. Fuck it, investigate boxing as well. For all we know niggas could be gettin' slipped shit without even knowing it. Trainers could be making money on the side doin' some slick shit. The whole thing needs to be investigated. Boxing period, but first it should start with Pac and Top Rank because they are the most suspect right now.


His proof is his dozens of clean test results. Again I don't see who would investigate. His civil case is exactly that, civil, so that's a game for the lawyers to play. No powerful organization is going to give two shits about some weak civil case that's likely going to get thrown out.
How do we know those tests were really clean? How do we know he would not have tested positive for banned substances if OSDT was used? Yeah, it's an afterthought, but we really don't know.


no longer getting knocked out why you even bring that up when he was like 16-17 years old?
Because other people bring it up when they say Manny is on peds. What I'm saying is none of the shit people cite like moving up, getting knocked out, etc convinces me he is on something. However, what does cause me to look at the shit is the time line and the strange shit that comes from his camp.

anyways any "strange and mysterious" stuff could mean anything and everyone is entitled to their own opinions but the senate isn't going to care about a boxer, from the Philippines, nor would they care about Floyd or any other boxer.
They (congress) cared about MLB and Armstrong. The Senate needs to investigate boxing. Congress needs to investigate it. Fuckin' Obama needs to investigate. It's time to clean up the sport.

logical sense could simply be bob arum doesn't want to make the fight. that's logical. maybe he wants to milk Pacquiao more. maybe he only wants in house fighting so his greedy ass gets more money. lots of logical possibilities exist.
Yes, Arum is a greedy slime fuck, but I'm not so sure I can point the finger at him and put it all on him.

Investigate Manny and Top Rank.
 

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Pacquiao should've just taken the test, the fight would have happened and he would have killed all the suspicion about PED use.

Now that Berto and Peterson have been busted, it's making Floyd look like he was right. Boxers are cheating, professional athletes are cheating. First thing these boxers say that have been busted is "I didn't know", well sometimes it's too late because it's after the fact. Now that doesn't mean Pacquiao was taking them but Floyd was willing to prove it by taking OSDT like he has in his last 3 fights. And his opponents had no problems with it, didn't complain, and didn't use it an excuse after they got beat.

But like we were saying before, who turns down a huge fight like this over a petty as drug test? Did Shane, Victor, and Miguel get cut offs?

This goes back to the point I made about hittin' Beyonce raw dog, and all she was asking for was a HIV test.... who would turn it down? Someone that's HIV positive, that's who, because if you're HIV negative, why wouldn't you? You're going to act all hurt just because she wants to make sure you're clean? 2-Pac said he would've taken 5 HIV tests to hit Janet Jackson.
 

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Pacquiao is making himself look suspicious because he didn't take the test back then (in 2009/2010) when he was knocking everybody out, fast forward to today, he's willing to take the tests now, and he's not knocking them out like he was.

Look at the 2 Marquez fights before his last fight against Marquez, he was knocking Marquez silly in those 2 fights, but with this last fight (at a heavier weight) Pacquiao's punches didn't have the same effect. Now this could be because they fought at a heavier weight, it could be that Pacquiao's not juicing anymore, or it could be a little bit of both.

But we really don't know because Pacquiao didn't prove it by taking the tests.
 
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Broner to prove he’s the best at 130lbs by destroying Escobedo
June 4th, 2012

By Scott Gilfoid: WBO super featherweight champion Adrien Broner (23-0, 19 KO’s) will be showing his talent next month against #1 WBO contender Vicente Escobedo (26-3, 15 KO’s) on July 21st in Cincinnati, Ohio.

Unfortunately, Escobedo is the best thing could dig up for the 22-year-old talent, because I was hoping they’d match Broner up with someone with some actual talent instead of one of Michael Katsidis’ past victims. You can’t blame it on Broner for facing this guy.

You got to blame it on the World Boxing Organization for giving Escobedo such an inflated ranking based on nothing wins. He’s beaten some guys but no one nearly good enough to warrant a #1 ranking. This is going to be sickeningly one-sided from start to the bitter finish with Escobedo laying bloody and battered on the canvas wondering what hit him.

Broner has beaten all the top fighters that he’s faced during his career. With his Mayweather-esque talent, he’s blown away guys like Eloy Perez, Jason Litzau and totally dominated Daniel Ponce De Leon. Broner wanted to fight Ricky Burns, but Burns decided to move up in weight right when Broner was scheduled to face him. As it turns out, it might have been the smartest move that Burns has ever made in his career, because Broner would have knocked him cold and given him a major whipping in the process.

I wish Escobedo was good enough to give Broner some rounds, because I’m getting tired of watching Broner knock guys out so quickly. I can’t even enjoy Broner’s talent when he keeps blasting everyone out so quickly. It’s not as interesting because I can’t see enough of the guy.
 
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Garcia: I’m going to stop Khan in the 9th round
June 4th, 2012

By William Mackay: WBC light welterweight champion Danny Garcia and Amir Khan got into a heated exchange on Monday during their Los Angeles press conference to promote their July 14th fight at the Mandalay Bay Resort & Casino in Las Vegas, Nevada.

Garcia’s father, Angel Garcia, joined in as well, criticizing Khan’s fighting style, and telling him that he got his backside whipped in his last fight against Lamont Peterson last December. Angel pointed out that Khan tries to blame his loss on the judges instead of himself.

Danny Garcia said to fightnews.com “I usually don’t make predictions but I will stop him in the 9th.”

This is one of the better punchers that Khan has faced in his career. Khan has only fought two punchers during his career – Marcos Maidana and Breidis Prescott – and he was knocked out by one of them. Khan probably would have been stopped by the other [Maidana] had the referee working that fight not broken up the action so frequently when Maidana had Khan hurt on the ropes in the 10th and 11th rounds.

Now you’ve Garcia, who is different from those guys because he’s a lot faster, throws a lot more punches, and is arguably much better skilled. He’s also just as tall as Khan, and that’s a going to be a problem for the British fighter because he’s frequently been bigger than his opponents during his career.

Prescott was the one exception, as he was an inch taller than Khan. Peterson was about the same height as Khan, and you could see how this hurt Khan because he couldn’t just stand on the outside and jab away. Garcia will be the same only he’ll be a lot more dangerous than Peterson because of his speed and punching power. Khan is going to have to run if he wants to keep from getting knocked out in this fight.
 
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Paul "The Punisher" Williams-update

Monday, June 4, 2012. Paul 'The Punisher' Williams, wishes to send his sincere thanks and appreciation to his fans worldwide for their prayers, cards and wishes he's received since his motorcycle accident just over a week ago. "I feel the love and support from everyone and it's overwhelming, I am very thankful to all of my fans and friends who have rallied around me in a time when I need them the most". Williams asks that all future letters and cards please be sent to: 3060 Will Rogers Place, Atlanta 30316.
 
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Haye vs Chisora: Licensing Situation Keeps Question Marks Around Fight

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More than a fence is keeping David Haye and Dereck Chisora apart at this point. (Photo by Jan Kruger/Getty Images)

The schedule July 14 fight between David Haye and Dereck Chisora still has plenty of questions surrounding the event set for West Ham's Upton Park, as the EBU has voted 94% for suspending the Luxembourg Federation that was to sanction the bout, with expulsion following if they actually go through with it.

The Daily Mail says that promoter Frank Warren is currently "vowing legal action to defend himself and his associates, the boxers included, from any repercussions," and there's even talk of this running as some sort of unsanctioned outlaw fight, except not in some barn somewhere in the sticks, but in front of 30-40,000 fans at a major venue.

A later report says that the LBF is still going to sanction the fight, but they will have a meeting on Tuesday night, at which point a lot of this should clear up.

Warren is saying the fight will go on. The British board are standing their ground and threatening action against basically anyone involved. It's all quite a disaster, really -- a drama that nobody wants, for a fight that it seems a lot of boxing fans do want.

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All things considered, I truly cannot find a good reason for this fight to not happen, other than, "Well, they're both jerks and I don't like them." I don't like a lot of guys, but there are people a lot worse -- physically, mentally, whatever -- than David Haye and Dereck Chisora who are licensed to fight all over the world.

Now, I know that with the BBBofC not licensing either fighter right now, that gives them some right to be upset about the idea of the fight taking place on British soil, with their express disapproval. What I'm saying is this: The BBBofC should license the fighters, sanction the fight, and stop all of this. It's a fight the public is interested in seeing. I'm not saying we should give in to every whim the public wants -- they'd probably also be glad to see Mike Tyson fight a rhinoceros, at least in some depraved circles -- but I'm just not seeing the major issue with this fight.

When Dereck Chisora was found guilty of assault against a woman, the board did not ban him or suspend or do much at all, really. They were all set to let him head on down to Germany the next month to face Wladimir Klitschko. That fight was called off and rescheduled, the BBBofC still did nothing.

A few months after that, they gladly allowed Chisora to face Tyson Fury at Wembley Arena.

Turns out that a slap, a water spit, and a half-assed brawl are enough to give the Board the vapors, turning them into the morality police. None of Chisora's actual troubles with the law seemed to give them any real pause, but this nonsense apparently embarrassed the great and noble business of boxing so much that they needed to make a big statement.

And Haye? All he did was get into the brawl, so I guess really that itself must have been enough, forget the insults to the brothers Klitschko. Other than being annoying and an egotistical braggart, is David Haye really all that big of a deal that he has to be banned from British boxing?

The whole thing is a mess, and there's no guarantee this fight happens. I think that's a shame. Warren says 28,000 tickets have been sold, which could well be an exaggeration, but also could well be true. Personal issues sell tickets. Personally, I believe the fight should happen, and bottom line is I believe it should happen the "right" way, with the BBBofC behind it. But that doesn't appear likely.

If it gets called off, with no one willing to sanction the bout and face the wrath of the EBU, I won't lose any sleep about it or start an online petition or a Facebook campaign.

I'll just wonder what, exactly, was so grotesque about these two, at this moment, that they're not allowed to fight. I am no great fan of either fighter. I just don't believe not being a fan is a strong reason to keep them from their work.
 
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Manny Pacquiao should 'reach out' to Floyd Mayweather while he's in jail, Jim Lampley says

By Josh Slagter

HBO's Jim Lampley has no doubt that Floyd Mayweather will "hate" his time in jail, but also wonders if Manny Pacquiao can take advantage of this opportunity to re-open the lines of communication between the two pound-for-pound greats.

Lampley, in an interview with the Los Angeles Times' Lance Pugmire, said Pacquiao could use Mayweather's time out of the public eye to show he still wants the megafight, and maybe do a little negotiating.

"With Floyd in jail now, Manny can show he really wants the fight. He should reach out to Floyd, and demonstrate there's no ill will, this is just a business," Lampley said. "Floyd has nothing but time to listen right now. For Manny, this is a tremendous opportunity to build a bridge, to demonstrate, 'We have a mutual interest, let's make this happen.'

"Why did Ali-Frazier happen all those years ago? Because Joe Frazier went behind the scenes to make it happen. Pacquiao needs to treat it the same as Joe."

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Mayweather famously reached out to Pacquiao via phone and offered him a flat $40 million to fight. The Filipino star turned it down, saying he'd like to negotiate a more even split of the revenue since some project a Mayweather-Pacquiao fight could generate $300 million.

While Mayweather sits in Clark County Detention Center for a sentence that will be at least 57 days, Pacquiao is preparing to fight Timothy Bradley on Saturday in Las Vegas.

Lampley figures the controlled environment won't sit well with Mayweather.

"It will be torture," Lampley said. "Outside of being in the Olympics, when's the last time he was required to wake up at a specific time? And have to spend so much time alone? This is a guy accustomed to doing whatever he wants. The notion of him being in a controlled, regimented situation -- he'll have that cell door closed behind him every day. He'll hate it."
 
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Floyd Tested Positive 3 times?

By Mark "Scoop" Malinowski

Gabriel Montoya of Maxboxing.com might be onto the story of the decade. Apparently he has sources who are divulging blockbuster information, if the information is actually true.

Montoya is gaining recognition for his drug testing and potential cover-up stories and was recently countered with a letter from Golden Boy law firm Lerman, Painter & Spitz LLP.

Jeffrey Spitz is none too pleased by Montoya's work.

In a letter to Montoya dated May 23, 2012, Spitz wrote: "...(Montoya) asserted to the Nevada State Athletic Commission that (he has) received information that Golden Boy attempted to obtain an agreement from the Voluntary Anti-Doping Agency (VADA) not to disclose a potential B sample test until after the tested boxer had participated in the scheduled fight. (Montoya) further asserted that Golden Boy had entered into an agreement with the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) which contained such a provision. You have also claimed that Golden Boy entered into a contract with USADA for testing in connection with Floyd Mayweather fights which provided inadvertant use exemption that would permit a positive test to be excused of the result were inadvertant use. And that Mayweather had tested positive on three occasions which were excused under the inadvertant use provision."

Whoa.

Spitz of course denies Montoya's views, writing, "Each of these statements is false and defames and severely damanges Golden Boy and others (most obviously Mr. Mayweather) and its and their reputations in the boxing and sports community.

If Montoya has a credible source, this development suggests someone, perhaps from the Nevada State Athletic Commision, might have shared crucial information to Montoya, who is a respected journalist and though I don't know him, I highly doubt he would fabricate anything so potentially damaging.

Actually, if you remember, two years ago, in the midst of the Pacquiao-Mayweather first round of negotiations which were ultimately canceled by Mayweather, the award-winning boxing scribe Thomas Hauser, was pressuring Oscar De La Hoya in February 2010 to sign a waiver so that the Nevada State Athletic Commission could release records of drug tests conducted on De La Hoya when he was fighting. The implication was that De La Hoya might have tested positive for something during his career and perhaps because of similar contract provisions, to those mentioned above by Montoya, those De La Hoya test results were kept concealed from becoming public knowledge.

As far as I know, De La Hoya never did sign the waiver to release his performance-enhancing drug test results. And it doesn't take a rocket scientist to conclude why.

Mayweather has famously been the leading accuser of PED use by other boxers in the sport. But as we all know, when you point a finger at someone, three of your fingers are pointing back at yourself. Could it be possible that Mayweather is a PED user for years and via Golden Boy contract provisions, has been protected from having his tests released to the public?

Is it possible that someone on the inside of the Nevada State Athletic Commission has grown weary of the hypocracy and subsequently has taken the courageous action to inform Montoya?

Yes, anything is possible at this point.

In the sport of tennis, a few years ago a South American outsider Marcelo Rios, who actually was ranked #1 in the world for six weeks in 1998, insinuated that the powers-that-be of tennis conspired to protect certain American stars from having their PED test results revealed to the public...

Rios stated that he suspected the ATP protects high-profile Americans of doping: "I know that if nandrolone were found on (Andre) Agassi, they would not disclose it. He is a very prominent, very popular player and if he were to fall, the world of tennis would fall with him. The ATP would not say it. They are such a large dependent organization that it would be a problem if Agassi or (Pete) Sampras tested positive. [We] the South Americans have discussed it repeatedly. It is a complicated subject. I do not have problem in saying it: we always said, (we asked ourselves) who publicly certifies the doping tests of Agassi or Sampras?"

"I would love to be able to see and certify Agassi's doping tests because now I currently have no idea who is doing the test, and who decides who gets it and who doesn't."

"I know that if they were to find nandrolone on Agassi, they wouldn't say it to anybody. It would taint his reputation and bring tennis down dramatically. ATP would not say it. It is such a large organization that it would be a problem if Agassi tested positive."

Would Golden Boy conspire with the Nevada State Athletic Commission to protect the test results of the top American star Floyd Mayweather "three times" in order to perserve his star status and money-making abilities?

Some people apparently do know the truth. Let's hope Gabriel Montoya stays on this story and he can discover and share the truth with the public, who eagerly and curiously await the results of his investigations.