Boxing News Thread

[2-0-Sixx]

You said Pac's legacy is on the up and Floyd's is on the down but then you call me a nut rider?

I'm saying that unbiasedly. Floyd's reputation is not good right now. I'm not making this up man take a look at boxing websites etc. Floyd can change all of this if he fights pac. You know that.

Man quit, your boy has already got his ass knocked out.

Lol as a teenager. Sergio Martinez was knocked out 10 years ago too that doesn't change the fact he's pound 4 pound #3 and one of the hottest boxers in the sport right now. I can go on for days of all time great fighters that got KO'd early in their careers but became legends, Archie Moore for example.

Floyd has barely been down let alone out. Manny will never be better than Floyd because Floyd is undefeated, so he can continue to fight Floyd's left overs and pad his stats.

Even if it's true that floyd is a better boxer than manny, Pacquiao's accomplishments and legacy as of RIGHT NOW is better than Floyd. I'm not saying this as a fan I'm saying this is as reality. If you check boxing historians current top 100 lists of all time, Pacquiao is ranked higher than floyd. I'm not making that up.

It's like Joe calzaghe and bernard hopkins in a way. Calzaghe retired undefeated and even has a win over hopkins, and yet hopkins is ranked much higher than calzaghe on the ATG lists. Why? Because he accomplished more, he took more risks, has a better resume, etc.

If I was a nuthugger I would say things like "pac would KO floyd!" or stuff like that. I don't. You know how many times I've said it's a 50/50 fight and that floyd could beat pacquiao on his best day and vise versa for pac.

I've always maintained floyd is a phenomenal boxer. Always. I give him more credit for beating shane then most people on here, even compared to you. A hater or nuthugger wouldn't do that. But lately, his legacy is getting tainted in the eyes of the majority. For whatever reason(s) he keeps setting up roadblocks to prevent the biggest fight in history and he is a part time fighter now (more interested in hanging with celebrities and living flamboyant life). And that's sad because like I said, if floyd had a better mentality and actually cared about his legacy and wanted to prove it, he could (have) gone down as one of the top 10 or 20 greatest fighters of all time.

 

[IronLungs420]

funny how the last time pac bitch tested the way floyd is requesting he took an ass whoopin at the hands of morales. pac man is a bitch without the juice he isnt shit. All anybody has to do is look at the midget and see steroids got him the way he is


look how big he has gotten since then, if you dont see it youre blind or just like to hate mayweather

 

[2-0-Sixx]

funny how the last time pac bitch tested the way floyd is requesting he test he took an ass whoopin at the hands of morales. pac man is a bitch without the juice he isnt shit. All anybody has to do is look at the midget and see steroids got him the way he is.

that's simply not true, it wasn't a drug test. It was a blood test the day before the fight because the hospital lost the fighters tests which they submitted earlier, so they had to unexpectedly go back and give blood again 24 hours before the fight. It wasn't a drug test it was for health reasons it was a medical examination required by the state of Nevada. You don't even know your facts. Pacquiao has literally passed dozens of drug tests and never failed one.

And lol @ calling pacquiao a midget when floyd is only an inch taller.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

look how big he has gotten since then, if you dont see it youre blind or just like to hate mayweather

Really? Do you know how much he weighed that night against Morales? 140 pounds. Do you know how much he weighed against Margarito? 144 pounds.

 

[drunkaholic707]

semenlungz is mad that pacman is beating up on mexicans

 

[surcaliman]

you know its a bad time for mexican boxing when you got a filipino and a black guy fighting on cinco de mayo weekend.

 

[bgrumpyp]

Manny couldn't take care of Morales nor Marquez, so he took the Barry Bonds route and said fuck it give me some of that juice.

 

[dookie1]

LOOK!!! Manny said NO to the test!! end of story!!! he made up bullshit excuses to avoid the test!!! Pactards say, "oh but he agreed later and floyd said NO".... I say he cleaned up then agreed to the test!!! AND YES 206 is a Pac COCK RIDER!!! Im not a floyd "fan" I just dont apreciate pac cheating boxing the way he is.... he is a product of great management and amazing promotion..... THE END

 

[Rumpelstiltskin]

Not that I really want to be a part of this back and forth, but Manny already gets tested. Everyone gets tested by the State Athletic Commission. Floyd threw in his own tests. He didn't agree to Floyd's tests (not testing in general). Remember at the same time they were negotiating the blood, they also had a discrepancy between the 60/40 split.

Testing is not an issue now. The 100 million dollars is.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Manny couldn't take care of Morales nor Marquez, so he took the Barry Bonds route and said fuck it give me some of that juice.

so which one is it? he needed roids to beat morales, or it was after Raheem beat morales pac was able to beat him?

i swear you guys need to make up your minds.

this was after pac beat berrara of course. so you're saying he wasn't on roids when he beat berrara, who of course beat morales prior?

and in other threads, you say pac only beat cotto because he was weight drained. only beat oscar because he was shot. only beat margarito because he's shot. and yet he needs roids? still can't make your minds, which one is it?

 

[Timm]

lmao 2-0 is shitting on the floyd crew here damn

 

[CHRISHOGGALYPSE]

I think the biggest thing that hurt morales was thinking he could just take manny's punches all night when they were wearing the "winning" gloves. In the 2nd fight they switched to Reyes gloves and Morales boxed less and took more punches from the Reyes gloves and it caught up with him.

Morales was out of shape and totally unprepared for Raheem to me but he was also going downhill fast at that point. Not to take anything from Manny's wins but Morales lost 4 in a row and 5 out of 6 in that stretch including losses to Raheem and David Diaz.

 

[bgrumpyp]

Testing is not an issue now. The 100 million dollars is.[/QUOTE]


Yes Money is always the issue, however when a boxer (Manny & Floyd) say they fights for the love of the sport well then do whats good for the sport and give the fans the fight they want. Thats why fans have givin up on boxing and move on to MMA.

 

[bgrumpyp]

LOOK!!! Manny said NO to the test!! end of story!!! he made up bullshit excuses to avoid the test!!! Pactards say, "oh but he agreed later and floyd said NO".... I say he cleaned up then agreed to the test!!! AND YES 206 is a Pac COCK RIDER!!! Im not a floyd "fan" I just dont apreciate pac cheating boxing the way he is.... he is a product of great management and amazing promotion..... THE END

Pac could come out tonight and confess he took steriods and these suckas would still be in denial.

 

[bgrumpyp]

LOOK!!! Manny said NO to the test!! end of story!!! he made up bullshit excuses to avoid the test!!! Pactards say, "oh but he agreed later and floyd said NO".... I say he cleaned up then agreed to the test!!! AND YES 206 is a Pac COCK RIDER!!!

That shit is funny because I told 206 that shit was going to happen, that pac would agree to that shit at a later date 206's repleid by say " NOPE IT WONT HAPPEN" I THEN TOLD 206 WE'LL SEE REAL SOON.LOL But when it happen 206 excuss was why would he (PAC) agree to fight if him if he stop using. I guess 206 thinks if pac used steriods then stop that pac would lose every thing he gain by using when thats not case.

YES 206 IS A PAC COCK RIDER!LOL

 

[CHRISHOGGALYPSE]

Trying to understand why Floyd does what he does is nearly impossible and stupid to argue about in my opinion.

The manny roid discussion is best left with he hasn't been caught doing anything, so give him the benefit of the doubt. Argue about how he feasted on competition past their prime, that's at least a valid point. Roids, all speculation until someone proves it.

 

[drunkaholic707]

what makes you think manny is on roids cause he got a lil bigger?all an excuse cause your mad that manny is beating up on mexicans or just a floyd groupie and trying to justify his bullshit rants manny is fighting and floyd is beating up his baby momma and security guards and is most likely gonna use a tune up fight excuse then say he is on vacation and manny is gonna fight another opponent then mayweather will start talkin more shit saying manny wont fight him

 

[heyzel]

Dirrell: I had to hold back against Groves at times because he has a lot of flaws

By Scott Gilfoid: Unbeaten British super middleweight hopeful George Groves (12-0, 10 KO’s) had the pleasure of sparring with talented American Andre Dirrell recently in Florida at the request of David Haye, who promotes Groves and wanted to get him some good sparring with a southpaw to help get Groves ready for his May 21st bout against British super middleweight champion James DeGale (10-0, 8 KO’s) at the O2 Arena (Millenium Dome), Greenwich, London.

Dirrell had this to say about Groves after the sparring session in an interview at Sky Sports: “I do hold back at times because he’s green. He has 10, 12 fights. You know he has a lot of flaws.”

There you have it, folks. Dirrell had to hold back on Groves and didn’t want to give him the full arsenal of what he has in order not to totally dominate the guy or mess with his confidence. Dirrell has some of the fastest hands in the sport and has great power as well. After the sparring session between Dirrell and Groves there were some fans thinking that Groves had got the better of Dirrell. But as you see here, Dirrell had to hold back on Groves because of the British fighters’ many flaws.

I’m giving Groves very little chance of beating DeGale on May 21st. DeGale is on another level and once he starts throwing his combinations the fight will be practically over. Groves is a good domestic level fighter but I can’t see him beating anyone at the top of the sport.

 

[heyzel]

Froch: I’m going to halt Johnson in style

By Scott Gilfoid: WBC super middleweight champion Carl Froch (27-1, 20 KO’s) feels confident that he can not only beat 42-year-old Glen Johnson (51-14-2, 35 KO’s) but make it look good by knocking him out on Showtime on June 4th in his semifinal bout at the Boardwalk Hall, in Atlantic City, New Jersey. Froch is the favorite in this fight, but thus far many of the favorites have already bitten the dust with defeats. If Froch isn’t on his game he could wind up as another one of the disappointing European fighters that have ended up getting spanked.

Froch said “I don’t just plan on beating him [Johnson], but I plan on halting him in style. Our styles gel very well for a competitive battle for as long as it lasts and I’m looking forward to it…I don’t be overlooking Johnson in any shape or form, which will spell bad news for Glen.”

Johnson hasn’t been knocked out since 1997 when he was stopped by Bernard Hopkins. With how limited Froch looks at times, it’s pretty much a pipe dream for him to think he can knock Johnson out. Johnson has been in with talents like Chad Dawson, Antonio Tarver and Tavoris Cloud and was never knocked out by any of them. How does Froch think he can do what those guys couldn’t? Sorry, but if anyone is going to be knocked out in this fight it’s going to be Froch. He’s tailor made for Johnson because Froch keeps his hands low by his waist, doesn’t have good defensive skills and has no inside game. This is where the fight will be fought – on the inside. Froch will be forced to go back to the same tired strategy that he tried using on Andre Dirrell without any luck in his first fight in the Super Six tourney. Johnson will eat Froch up on the inside and spit him out in front of a shocked Boardwalk Hall crowd. I won’t be shocked in the least with Johnson schooling Froch, because I’ve seen Froch’s flaws and know how easily he can be beaten.

 

[heyzel]

Exclusive Interview With The Legendary George Foreman!

By James Slater: There surely cannot be a single boxing fan, casual or hardcore, who is not familiar with the amazing exploits of the great George Foreman. The Hall of Famer who became a two-time heavyweight king made a habit of defying the odds in both of his legendary careers - be it by destroying the fearsome Joe Frazier in the early 1970s, or by shocking the much younger defending heavyweight champ Michael Moorer in the mid-1990s.

Now retired from the ring, the 62-year-old fan-favourite is extremely busy with a number of projects. Foreman remains a superb business man, but right now he is busily guiding his 28-year-old son George “Monk” Foreman III, as he attempts to follow in his famous father’s footsteps. Managing Monk (who never had a single amateur fight and turned to the pro game late in life), George Senior is using the invaluable experience he has to see to it that his son goes down the right path.

Yesterday, ahead of Monk’s 12th pro fight - against Eric Lindsey in Hampton, Virginia - the Foremans held a press conference to promote the fight. “The Legend Continues” is the tagline for tomorrow night’s show, and yesterday evening UK time, I was fortunate enough to have had a few minutes spent talking with “Big” George over the phone.

Towards the end of a long day, Foreman had little spare time to give, but he very kindly took the time to answer the following questions. Needless to say, it was a true thrill speaking to the very man who made me begin following the sport of boxing in the first place!

Here is what the former Olympic gold medallist and former two-time world heavyweight champion had to say:


James Slater: It’s an incredible honour to be able to speak with you, George. It’s just over 24 years and a month since you began your great comeback; when you fought Steve Zouski in March of 1987. Do you still remember that first step in the comeback well?

George Foreman: Oh, I’ll never forget that fight. You know, the hardest thing for me in that fight was taking my shirt off in public (laughs). I hadn’t done that for so long - I’d kept my shirt buttoned up right to the top!

J.S: The so-called experts were seemingly all against you when you came back: saying you wouldn’t be able to do it at your age and after such a long layoff. Was it satisfying proving so many people wrong?

G.F: There were a lot of sceptical people, yes, because they’d seen it so many times before - ex-champions coming back trying to recapture past glories. But I had something up my sleeve that those guys didn’t have: I was ready and willing to start right from the bottom and go to the top. I was willing to go right back to basics, I wasn’t embarrassed to do that. But I told everyone, I wasn’t just coming back for the Cadillac in the window!

J.S: That amazing night when you regained the crown against Michael Moorer in November of 1994 - that was almost eight years into your return. You had the shot against Holyfield of course, but were you surprised that you won the title back so late in your comeback? Did you envisage winning it back earlier?

G.F: Yes, I really did think I’d get an opportunity earlier than I did; maybe after three years. It surprised me that I had to wait so long. You know, you start to look in the mirror each year and after each birthday and think, can I really do this thing? But I’d told everyone I would do it, so how could I give up and back out just because I was 45? But it doesn’t matter what we say, we never know what’s really going to happen.

J.S: Will we ever see a heavyweight comeback like yours again? I remember you saying one time in your comeback, ahead of a big fight, that you were like the eighth wonder of the world, and that we would never see the likes of what you were doing again.

G.F: (laughs) Actually, a lot of what I was able to do was not from a physical standpoint, it was more a case of me being a good manager for George Foreman. It takes a good manager, and good promoters, for you to be able to get your chance - you know, Barnum and Bailey and all of that (laughs). With the right people behind you, you can get a hundred chances. I’m trying now to be a good manager for Monk Foreman, like I was for myself.

J.S: Did it mean so much more to you to get the crown for a second time? Was it more precious, beating Moorer than it was beating Joe Frazier?

G.F: Oh, it was much more precious. I was a father, even a grandfather by then, and I had something I wasn’t just able to tell my kids and grandkids about - but something I could actually show them. They were all watching that fight (laughs). This battery is getting real low and I have to run. My son will be fighting on Saturday (against “a real tough guy,” according to the young Foreman) - look out for him!

J.S: Thanks so much for your time, Champ!

(Sincere thanks go out to promoter Kipp Elbaum for making this interview possible)