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2-0-Sixx · Oct 4, 2010

Looks like Dawson wants to lose again, awesome!

Dawson vs Cloud in Talks For February or March on HBO

By Lem Satterfield

Promoters Gary Shaw and Don King are attempting to reach a deal to match their respective light heavyweights, IBF champion Tavoris Cloud (21-0, 18KOs) and former champion Chad Dawson (29-1, 17KOs), in an HBO-televised showdown in February or March of next year. Shaw, who promotes Dawson, is talking with HBO about a potential date. Cloud is coming off the best win of his pro career, a twelve round decision over Glen Johnson. However, Dawson's last bout against Jean Pascal was the worst showing of his pro career. In August, Pascal snapped Dawson's unbeaten streak with an eleven round technical decision.

T-Rip · Oct 4, 2010

Why wasnt there an immediate rematch between Dawson and Pascal? Im glad to see B-hop get the title shot but Dawson should be the one fighting Pascal especially cause of how it ended

2-0-Sixx · Oct 4, 2010

he has a rematch clause with pascal, however in the contract it allows pascal to fight an optional fight first and pascal obviously elected to do that with hopkins. Chad dawson doesn't have to fight anyone else before he gets to rematch pascal, but I guess he wants to for some reason.

CHRISHOGGALYPSE · Oct 4, 2010

I don't know how I feel about Cloud. I can see him beating anyone at that weight but I wouldn't be surprised at all if he lost to any one of them either. I think he would be best suited to get down to 168 if he could

2-0-Sixx · Oct 4, 2010

Cloud is too big for 168.

Only person that can realistically beat Cloud is Dawson, but he wont because he has no heart and his chin is suspect.

Pascal, Diaconu, Shumenov would all lose to him. Campillo may be able to out box him maybe.

CHRISHOGGALYPSE · Oct 4, 2010

Cloud was looking like he was rocked with virtually every clean jab that landed on his chin against Clinton Woods but then Glen Johnson would've laid him out you'd think if he had a weak chin so I wasn't sure how to feel about that.

I think a good outside boxer could beat him. I wouldn't be surprised to see Pascal or Diaconu beat him. Cloud/Diaconu would actually be a good fight

CHRISHOGGALYPSE · Oct 4, 2010

and if Glen Johnson can get down to 168 (though I think it will be tough for him) I'm pretty sure cloud can. He's seems short for 175

2-0-Sixx · Oct 4, 2010

CHRISHOGGALYPSE said:

Difference between being hit cleanly and being hurt or rocked. Cloud was open for them jabs but they didn't even phase him.

He nearly did lay him out in the first fight, didn't you watch it? Chad almost went down a few times in that fight (which is why so many people thought Johnson won).

Neither of these guys are "good" boxers though, these are the easiest guys for cloud to beat.

Chad is the best boxer in the division the problem though is being pressured too much he doesn't like it, perfect example is the first glen johnson fight which he nearly lost. Cloud is basically a younger, stronger, faster, hungrier version of glen johnson, which is why I favor him to beat Dawson.

Now, that isn't to say I don't think dawson can't beat him, I think he can if he fights the right fight. I just don't think he will. Maybe he'll come super motivated after the loss and box the ears off Cloud, I just don't think he has the heart for because he's going to have to take some shots.

Diaconu kinda sucks imo

2-0-Sixx · Oct 4, 2010

CHRISHOGGALYPSE said:

I don't think johnson will be able to, I bet he comes in over weight and I bet allen green does too.

Cloud is pretty damn ripped the weight he would lose would have to be muscle weight and I don't think that's a good thing. You can see in this picture I mean there isn't any fat to lose:

Glen Johnson kinda has a little loose skin so maybe he can do it, I don't know...

CHRISHOGGALYPSE · Oct 4, 2010

2-0-Sixx said:

There can be a difference but he was doing both. When he landed a clean jab, Cloud looked wobbly almost every time. I thought for sure there'd be a late stoppage cause he looked hurt countless times against Woods to me.

Diaconu isn't good by any means but he's more entertaining to watch than someone like Librado andrade

naner12 · Oct 4, 2010

LOL what? Diaconu more exciting to watch than Andrade? What's happening here..

& Diaconu sucks because he was bested by Pascal? He beat Chris Henry when Henry was highly talked about, undefeated, and tearing through people. He beat the shit out of Rico Hoye on an FNF knocking him through the ropes and just dominating him through the whole fight.

Diaconu is truly a small man for the division and I wouldn't be surprised at a move to SMW in the near future but sucks he doesn't.

CHRISHOGGALYPSE · Oct 4, 2010

and that first pascal/diaconu fight was an excellent freakin fight. GREAT fight. I was about to fall asleep when I turned it on and I was like jumpin up off the couch by the end of it.

CHRISHOGGALYPSE · Oct 4, 2010

I thought green might be bs'ing about not being able to make the weight. Right before he was invited into the super six, he was still saying he could make 160 with no issue and came in a couple lbs light against Ward. I don't think weight was the issue per say, but I think he either over trained or didn't lose the weight the right way or something. I'm concerned that Johnson will be totally dried out and weak at the weight though. When was the last time he even fought at that weight and he's in his 40's!

Rumpelstiltskin · Oct 4, 2010

naner12 said:

2 fights.

You are implying Froch is a fighter that should be paid attention.

You are also implying that Dirrell and Ward are actually going to go at it. Prepare to see a 12 round friendly match in which neither will go for the kill, with a little dazzle here and there followed up by a smile or touch of the gloves.

I can think of much better match ups that can happen, but instead we are seeing force fed matches.

I rather see this tournament end and give people like Bute, Martinez, or even Pavlik a shot. Who is the newest replacement? Glen Johnson? Some "super" tournament. I don't see anything remotely close to super about it.

Personal preference.

heyzel · Oct 5, 2010

Marquez Still Wants Pacquiao Trilogy: At 143, 144 Pounds

By Mark Vester

WBA/WBO lightweight champion Juan Manuel Marquez (51-5-1, 37 KOs) continues to ask for something that he probably won't receive in the near future. As quoted by Ricardo Lois of the examiner, Marquez appeared on ESPN’s Golpe a Golpe and said that he was willing to face Manny Pacquiao at a catch weight between 140 and 147-pounds. Marquez would like a catch-weight of 143 or 144-pounds.

“First Pacquiao would have to accept, but I would fight him at a catch-weight of 143 or 144 pounds” Marquez said.

Marquez has a defense of his titles coming up on November 27 against Michael Katsidis in Las Vegas. Pacquiao moves up to junior middleweight to fight Antonio Margarito at Cowboys Stadium on November 13.

Strange to see Marquez suggest a catch-weight of 143 or 144. After he was dominated last year by Floyd Mayweather Jr., Marquez complained several times about moving up to welterweight to face Mayweather at a catch-weight of 143. He said the weight was too heavy for him and caused him to be too sluggish. It won't get any lighter against Pacquiao.

heyzel · Oct 5, 2010

Donaire misses out on the Showtime’s bantamweight tourney to fight Sidorenko

By Jim Dower: Super flyweight Nonito Donaire (24-1, 16 KO’s) is missing out on Showtime’s bantamweight tournament due to the money not being right and because Donaire’s promoter didn’t like the format, according to boxing news from the Los Angeles Times. Instead of fighting in the bantamweight tourney and getting a lot of visibility and positive press if he were to win the tourney, Donaire instead will be facing a struggling Wladimir Sidorenko (22-2-2, 7 KO’s) on December 4th at the Honda Center, in Anaheim, California. If Donaire is successful in beating Sidorenko, Donaire’s promoter Bob Arum wants to put him in with Fernando Montiel next year on February 19th.

Donaire wanted to take part in the bantamweight tournament, which consists of Vic Darchinyan, Abner Mares, Yonnhy Perez and Joseph Agbeko. However, now that Arum has set Donaire up with a fight against Montiel, he’s no longer upset about missing out on the tourney. It may be that the tournament needs more fighters than just four in order for the tournament to have the same clout as Showtimes’ Super Six tournament. Donaire will be making $300,000 for his fight against Sidorenko, whereas he would have made only $150,00 for his first fight in the bantamweight tourney. Donaire says that the tournament winner can fight the winner of his fight with Montiel next year. That might not be an easy fight to put together if Mares wins the tournament because he fights for Golden Boy Promotions and Donaire for Top Rank.

Donaire has done almost zero for the past three years since beating Darchinyan in 2007. Donaire hasn’t been put in with any big named fighters during all that time and has had to move up in weight as he’s filled out. Montiel will be Donaire’s first big fight since the Darchinyan bout. Hopefully, it won’t be the last big fight of his career. Donaire can’t afford another three year wait for a big fight.

2-0-Sixx · Oct 5, 2010

naner12 said:

I'm sorry but I just don't see anything special about Diaconu. He's alright, like you said maybe better served at 168 but even at that weight there is too much talent for him.

2-0-Sixx · Oct 5, 2010

Donaire will fight Montiel right after who is considered the best at the weight so I don't understand the problem here. The winner of the tournament can fight Donaire after he whoops Montiel so it works out nicely.

CHRISHOGGALYPSE · Oct 5, 2010

Donaire is sick but top rank is pissing me off with over protecting it's fighters.

Diaconu isn't a great fighter by any means. Don't get it twisted, but it's fun to watch to me. Nothing more, nothing less. Even when Andrade knocks someone out, he still bores me. I don't know why I just can't get into watching him fight

2-0-Sixx · Oct 5, 2010

Donaire is the one that's been ducked multiple times so I don't know what else he can do. As long as he fights Montiel next there is no problem..

Montiel vs Donaire For February 19 on HBO, Says Arum

By Mark Vester

Nonito Donaire, who moves to bantamweight to face former WBA champion Wladimir Sidorenko on December 4 as part of Top Rank's scheduled pay-per-view, will make double than what he would have made for Showtime's bantamweight tournament. Donaire's manager Cameron Dunkin told the Los Angeles Times that Donaire is making $300,000 for Sidorenko, where he would have made only $150,000 for the first round of the Showtime tourney.

Top Rank CEO Bob Arum told the paper that February 19 has been set aside for an HBO televised showdown between Donaire and Montiel, assuming both win later this year. Donaire says the winner of his fight with Montiel can face the tournament winner at some point in 2011. Donaire's manager expects Abner Mares to win by overcoming Vic Darchinyan on December 11 and then beating the Yonnhy Perez-Joseph Agbeko winner.

"I was the first guy they asked to be in that tournament," Donaire said. "It wasn't my decision to make. I was a bit upset, but now that they've got me Montiel, I'm happy. Now, I can get Montiel and the tournament winner can fight whoever wins our fight."

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