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Dan Rafael chat wrap 3/4:

- Believes that Lomachenko vs. Walters will get done and be on HBO. Will it be done for an April 30th date...wait and see.
- Arum and Peter Nielson are going to be at the fight together tomorrow and Arum said they are going to talk further about a Lomachenko and Postol double header.
- Doesn't know why Berto chose not to fight Peterson and doesn't know if that means Peterson vs. Figueroa will happen.
- A better chance we see Crawford vs. Provodnikov than Cotto-Provodnikov due to promotional issues (Roc Nation/Banner promotions lawsuit).
- Cotto's next fight being a PPV or regular HBO depends on the opponent. Versus Provodnikov it would likely be on PPV, vs. Diego Chaves it probably is on regular HBO.
- Thought Provodnikov beat Algieri.
- Joe Mesi was good for boxing because he had a great fan base, was good with the media and fairly interesting. Didn't believe he was a top tier fighter.
- If J Rock wins he becomes the mandatory for Jermall Charlo's title.
- Would not say PBC is broke, but they certainly have blown through a lot of their initial bankroll.
- PBC's cards are all primetime going forward, just less than expected. They were going to have 20 dates on NBC and 12 each on ESPN and Spike, but won't meet any of those numbers.
- Scored the fight for Frampton.
- Ortiz by mid round KO and Ali by decision.
- Ortiz: 242.6 lbs, Thompson: 263.8, Ali: 147, Vargas: 146.2.
- Vargas vs. Salido a done deal for June 4th at StubHub.
- Brandon Rios says he wants to fight again.
- Freitas knows that Dan named his cat after him (Popo) and says he has a picture of the cat on his wall. After Freitas lost to Corrales, Freitas asked Dan to come back to his dressing room and apologized for losing and said he hoped Dan wouldn't change the cats name.
- Matthysse vs. Herrera is very close to being finalized.
- JCC is a joke and not worth our time.
- Doubts Frampton defends against Rigo. A likely loss for Frampton and no money in the fight. Expects Frampton to defend against Shingo Wake or move up and fight LSC. Also believes Frampton will drop the WBA belt, which Rigo would be the mandatory if he wins.
- GB announced that April 15th they will have Soto Karass vs. Kamegai on its LA Fight Club series.
- Lemieux doesn't deserve an immediate title shot. He lost every second vs. GGG and should have to at least get a win before he fights for a belt.
- Wouldn't be shocked if Breazeale fights Arreola next.
- If Ortiz beats Thompson, GB would like Ortiz back on the Canelo-Khan card, possibly vs. his mandatory Ustinov.
- Ortiz could win vs. any other HW in the world.
- ODH did not duck a rematch from Whitaker. He had bigger business and no one really was calling for the fight.
- ODH best win? Vargas or Quartey.
- Mohegan Sun still gets first shot to try and resecure Thurman-Porter when it is back on, per DiBella.
- Would love a mini tournament of LSC, Frampton, Selby, and GRJ. And then Lomachenko gets to fight the winner (and picks him to win).
- Loma vs. Floyd at 130? Hard to pick anyone in history vs. Floyd at 130.
- Browne has a chance to beat Chagaev. Chagaev is beatable and Browne is motivated.
- The Showtime card TV numbers were horrible. Sure HBO being on at the same time hurt their numbers, but HBO tripled them.
- The anti-gay comments won't necessarily hurt Pacquiao's fights on HBO. If Pacquiao keeps winning and has good opponents, HBO will keep wanting to show him.
- Mentioned to HBO's PR staff that they were very slow in condemning Pacquaio and still want to market his fights. Not a good look.
- Rocky Martinez messed up, he passed on the Salido fight when his promoter didn't bid when he became a mandatory.
- Buy or Sell: Mike Tyson in 1988 is the best HW ever? Sell.
- Lee Groves ranks Tyson the 9th greatest HW ever. He personally has Tyson just outside his top 10.
- Only a small possibility Quigg vs. Donaire happens.
- Does not like rehydration clauses.
- Was Pavlik's drinking problem known before the Hopkins fight? It was an open secret for years.
- Zsolt Erdai for HOF? No.
- No decision yet whether Khan vs. Canelo will be available in movie theaters.
- Canelo's rehydration weight is normal. Does not know why people are making a big deal about it.
- B-Hop probably doesn't return until summer.
- Virtually zero chance of DeGale vs. Hopkins. Promotional issues.
- Would be interested in seeing Hopkins vs. Froch.
- Buy or Sell: GGG vs. Hopkins happens sometime? Sell.
- There absolutely was a crowd fight during Crawford-Lundy. Omaha showed up strong to NY. The hotels had lots of Crawford supporters from back home hanging out.
- Crawford is a good guy to deal with and keeps it real in interviews and his appearance of himself.
- Best French fighter of all time? Georges Charpentier or Marcel Cerdan.
- DC is a very underrated fight city.
- The GRJ fight and Pedraza-Smith will be April 16th at Foxwoods.
- GRJ entire career is a mystery to him. It boggles his mind that he is from DC, which is a good fight town and he has never fought there or in the region. He also has mostly fought horrible competition.
- There is no guarantee Wilder vs. Povetkin will happen in Russia, although it is starting to look like that is where it will be. Believes they overpaid by about a million to secure the bid.
 
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Lomachenko vs. Walters Headed to Garden's Big Room, June 11
Updated at 10:35 PM EST, Mon Mar 7, 2016 Read More By :

By Steve Kim

Top Rank's CEO Bob Arum has told BoxingScene.com that while Vasyl Lomachenko (5-1, 3KOs) and Nicholas Walters (26-0-1, 21KOs) are still on a collision course it will not be on April 30th as originally planned.

Walters was last in action on December 19th, when he went to a controversial twelve majority draw with Jason Sosa in an HBO televised bout. Lomachenko retained his WBO featherweight championship last November with a tenth round knockout of Romulo Koasicha as part of the Tim Bradley-Brandon Rios card in Las Vegas.

"We're doing that fight, we're looking to do it in New York on June 11th," said Arum, who has intimated that young Puerto Rican star, Felix Verdejo would be fighting this weekend as it's the day before the annual Puerto Rican Day Parade.

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Last year, Verdejo headlined at the Theater of MSG against Ivan Najera on this weekend.

But this time around he could be fighting in front of many more fans.

"We're going to go to the big room of the Garden,"stated Arum, who's company has a hold on that date.

Verdejo is coming off a ten round decision over William Silva on February 27th at the Garden. He is now scheduled to fight on April 16th back in Puerto Rico on a card that will be televised by UniMas.
 
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Boxing Legion ‎@BoxingLegion

Apparently Rigondeaux's trainer has confirmed that they could not get a VISA in time.
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Rigo's camp is such garbage man. Why the fuck did they travel to Russia to train and then try an obtain a Visa there? This fight was announced with plenty of time and with Rigo having fought in Japan, Ireland etc they should know the process of getting a fucking Visa.
 
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this is why you don't sign with a start up company

Boxing Legion ‎@BoxingLegion

Rigondeaux-Dickens is virtually off. Roc Nation filled out the Visa form incorrectly so Rigondeaux and team went back to Miami
6:32 PM - 8 Mar 2016

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Caveat Emptor: Timothy Bradley, Boxing and The NFL
Updated at 05:21 AM EST, Wed Mar 9, 2016 Read More By :
By Bill Dwyre

Over the years, as a sports columnist for The Los Angeles Times, I received no fewer than 200 emails that asked a version of the same question: How can you write so favorably and passionately about boxing when you keep ripping the NFL and its concussions. Isn’t that two-faced, unfair? Aren’t boxers concussed as much as football players?

The emails added up to 200 guilt trips. When you have a quick and logical answer for a reader, you fire off an explanatory response and feel fine. When 200 readers seem to have a point, you squirm.

I don’t deny that I like boxing, nor that I am fascinated by its people and its never-ending story lines.

The NFL? Not so much. I always despised its control-freak approach to everything, its holier-than-thou attitude. I covered enough Super Bowls to learn how to join the media crowd, click my heels and say “Moo, Moo.”

Still, disliking a sport because of its arrogance, not to mention the pile of lies it told the City of Los Angeles for those 20 years until it let the Rams come back, is not a good enough reason to be less than open-minded.

Two recent boxing situations prompted deeper thought, and a search for my own answers.

First, there was a conversation with Monica Bradley. She is the wife and manager of Tim Bradley, who will fight Manny Pacquiao April 9, in a widely anticipated match at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas.

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Among the selling points of this fight are the announced last-fight retirement of Pacquiao and the newfound attractiveness of Bradley as a boxer. Part of that comes from his blood-and-guts show and victory in the 2013 Fight of the Year against Russian mayhem-maker Ruslan Provodnikov. Fans love brawls and now have the expectation that Bradley can give them one against Pacquiao, who can also brawl with the best of them on occasion.

Monica Bradley said that, because of the Provodnikov fight, she had taken her husband to several neurological clinics around the country to be sure he was all right. She also was instrumental in hiring Teddy Atlas as Bradley’s new trainer. Atlas came with the expressed intention of teaching Bradley how to get hit less. When Bradley beat Brandon Rios in his most recent fight, and his first for Atlas, that’s exactly what took place.

The concern of the Bradley camp led to more thought.

Then came the announcement that, running counter to all logic and common sense, the people who run amateur boxing in the world will put on their Olympic tournament in Rio de Janeiro this summer with its amateur fighters competing without headgear. My colleague at the Associated Press, Greg Beacham, wrote a comprehensive story about this from the team trials at Reno, as the headgear question was still being discussed. The story was about 600 words, but only three were needed in way of explanation -- “more TV friendly.”

The international boxing federation (AIBA) and its president, Wu-Ching Kuo, have now officially sold out. More cut up and woozy amateurs will certainly boost the ratings. Blood sells.

Which brings us back to the pro fight game, where there is always enough blood to go around.

I pondered all this, and concluded that the only defense I have for treating it as a lesser evil than pro football is that it still is.

Of course, it is not croquet or rhythmic gymnastics. Of course it is violent and coarse. But at least it is honest in that. I have never heard a boxer say he had no idea he might get a head injury by doing this. The blood and guts and cuts and KOs and future slurring are not treated as a surprise, only an inevitability.

There is always hope, of course. Floyd Mayweather Jr., won 49 fights and probably took no more than seven or eight damaging shots over that entire period. George Foreman was heavyweight champion of the world over two different eras, which involved many punches taken and a knockout by Muhammad Ali. Yet, you cannot find a sharper, more lucid human.

Still, the norm is not pretty. I once interviewed the widow of boxer Mike Quarry days after this death. She told stories of changing his diapers and chasing him around the neighborhood when he wandered off.

In a recent article on the website The News Outlet, the American Association of Neurological Surgeons calculated that 90% of boxers end up with some sort of brain injury. That runs neck and neck statistically with the recent work on NFL brain injuries, where the Boston University Center for the Study of CTE (Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy) recently announced that, of the 91 brains it has studied, 87 had CTE.

I worry about Bradley because his wife does.

I worry about Pacquiao, because he has already taken a huge knockout shot from Juan Manuel Marquez and because, if he can overcome his silly recent statement about gays and lesbians, he may become a Philippine senator, where they will need a man with all his faculties.

I worry about Pacquiao’s trainer, Freddie Roach, who is a great guy and former boxer turned world-class trainer, but whose limp seems to worsen and speech seems increasingly blurred.

But they all knew. They signed on for the shot at glory with full knowledge that it might bring them only brain damage. Boxing is brutal and they all knew that going in.

Football is the same. Brutal. But until recent years, when science simply forced itself on the see-no-evil, hear-no-evil NFL, football players did not enter battle pondering the possibility of lifetime scars.

They didn’t know. Jon Arnett didn’t know. Nor did Conrad Dobler, Tony Dorsett, Todd Marinovich, Bob Lilly or Alex Karras. Nor did my Notre Dame classmate, the late Pete Duranko. They played with illusions of grandeur and visions of sugar plums, while the NFL led them along, like lambs to the slaughter.

A Texas law firm hoping to represent many of the thousands involved in ongoing litigation against the NFL for all of the above and thousands more, O’Hanlon, McCollom & Demerath, lays out the case of action in the simplest of ways:

“Although the medical community was informed by evidence from other sports like boxing and had understood that repeated impact to the head can cause long-term brain damage for decades, the National Football League ignored the medical risks and sent players back onto the field, often in the same game.”

Both sports are violent. But boxing’s participants were always aware of that and chose it with full knowledge. Until recently, NFL’s participants were conned into risking life and limb. Their career decisions were made without knowing everything about their career.

It’s not all right if a sport is mostly violent, but it is less odorous if it never hides that.

The NFL, in the category of brain injuries, has left a stink for years to come.

That’s my rationale. Write me an email and that’s how I will respond.
 
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Word on the streets is Miguel Cotto vs James Kirkland is in play.

I guess it's not the worst fight considering Cotto is coming off a loss but if Kirkland isn't with Ann Wolfe then I just can't take him seriously and he's going to get stretched. But if he's with Wolfe again, then maybe he can really put up a fight. Unlikely though as I'm pretty sure Kirkland burnt that bridge one too many times.
 
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D.C. Commission investigating judge for Luis Ortiz-Tony Thompson bout - Ring TV

The DC Boxing and Wrestling Commission is conducting an investigation into a bizarre scorecard turned in by judge Lloyd Scaife following Saturday’s heavyweight bout between Luis Ortiz and Tony Thompson at the DC Armory in Washington, D.C., RingTV.com has learned.

The bout was stopped at 2:29 of the sixth round when Ortiz clipped Thompson’s right ear, knocking him down for the third time. For the highly-touted Ortiz (25-0, 22 knockouts), it was the latest highlight in his march to a possible title shot as Thompson, a D.C. product, may have fought for the last time. But it was Scaife’s peculiar scoring of the previous five rounds in a nationally-televised bout on HBO that has caused concern at the commission, a source said.

Scaife, a local judge from the D.C. area, gave new meaning to the term “hometown judging” with his tallies. Among his peculiar findings, he scored the third round 10-9 for Thompson even though it was a round in which Ortiz knocked Thompson down. The other two judges, Tammye Jenkins and Paul Wallace both scored the third round 10-8 for Ortiz.

Scaife scored the first round 10-9 in favor of Ortiz even though Ortiz knocked Thompson down and otherwise dominated his opponent in the round. Jenkins and Wallace both scored the first round 10-8 for Ortiz. Scaife also scored the fifth round 10-9 for Thompson, even though both Jenkins and Wallace scored the round 10-9 for Ortiz, who seemed to clearly win the round. At the time of the stoppage, Jenkins and Wallace both had Ortiz ahead 50-43, while Scaife had Ortiz leading Thompson by just a point, 48-47.

The commission will likely release a statement on Friday describing its findings and whether Scaife will be disciplined. “Everyone is trying to figure out just what happened,” the source said.

The unusual scoring darkened an otherwise cheery mood for Ortiz’s camp, who studied a copy of Scaife’s scorecard early Sunday morning at a restaurant in their hotel with bewilderment. “Good thing it didn’t have to go to the scorecards,” said Jay Jimenez, Ortiz’s manager.
 
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Chris Algieri rejects gatekeeper label, says Errol Spence is not on his level
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The “Pride of Huntington” really does have a lot of pride.

Chris Algieri still thinks of himself as a world champion in waiting. So when it was suggested to Algieri that he is assuming a gatekeeper role for his welterweight fight with uber-prospect Errol Spence Jr. April 16 at Barclays Center, Algieri responded with not anger because Algieri is nothing if not composed. But he was not pleased with the question.

“Excuse me one second, I’m just going to shoot this down really fast,” he said as the question lingered in the air for a few moments. And he did, predicting a win against a boxer who Algieri doesn’t think is in the same class as him. The bout will headline a Premier Boxing Champions on NBC primetime tripleheader (8:30 p.m. ET) in Brooklyn.

“I think it’s completely unwarranted because Spence hasn’t fought anyone,” Algieri said of the caretaker role following a press conference on Wednesday to hype the fight. “I don’t think he’s fought a guy who’s actually tried to win yet. So to put me as a gatekeeper versus someone who is untested in a real fight- I think it’s not even worth talking about.”

Algieri, a former junior welterweight titleholder, was just warming up to the subject. The 28-year-old took aim at Spence’s resume and the caliber of fighters he’s faced so far. Spence turned pro in 2012 after participating for the U.S. Olympic team in London, where he reached the quarterfinals. Though Spence (19-0, 16 knockouts) is highly regarded, he has yet to face any of the top welterweights. Meanwhile, Algieri (21-2, 8 KOs) has names like Amir Khan (close loss), Manny Pacquiao (loss) and Ruslan Provodnikov (close win) on his resume- experience that he says will serve him well against Spence.

“Technically the kid is sound but he’s done it against guys who were tailor-made to sit right in front of him and get beat up,” Algieri said. “He hasn’t fought a guy with footwork. He hasn’ fought a guy who can box yet. He hasn’t fought a guy who can punch yet. He hasn’t fought a guy with experience yet. Like I said, he hasn’t fought many guys that were even in there to win. So it’s going to be a really eye-opening experience for him and for I think a lot of people on April 16.”

Quiet and polite, Spence, 26, was respectful of Algieri’s resume, but he also predicted the type of performance that could vault him toward a title shot.

“I don’t think he’s a gatekeeper at all because he’s still in his prime,” Spence said. “But he’s definitely a guy that I can make my name off of because I’m new in the game. I only turned pro three years ago and I’m looking to make a name for myself and he has a bigger name than me as far as the boxing world. He’s fought the bigger names. So I’m just looking to beat him and hopefully this will take me to a fight for a world title.”

One of the more discerning and intuitive boxers in the sport, Algieri further detailed some of the challenges that await Spence in their fight- the added media responsibilities, the higher expectations, managing the emotions as a boxer makes his way to the ring. Algieri even noted that Spence looked nervous as he spoke during the press conference on Wednesday in what seemed like a well-timed attempt to unnerve his opponent.

“I know what it’s like to walk to the ring for a big fight,” Algieri said. “I know what it’s like sitting around and doing those interviews and going up there- you’re going to tell me he wasn’t nervous up there (talking during the press conference)? No, he’s never done this before. I’ve been there, too. I know exactly where he’s been. When I fought Ruslan Provodnikov, I was going from ESPN to an HBO main event. Yeah, I’ve been there. What happens when those lights are on you, you’re under a microscope. I’ve been there. I know how I perform. He doesn’t know that. So that doubt is going to be there no matter what. Whether he steps up to the plate and performs great or crumbles, only time will tell.”

Spence seemed confident he will be able to handle it all. “The is the perfect fight for me at this point in my career,” he said. “I know it’s going to be a tough fight but I can’t wait to show everyone what I can do on April 16.”
 
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I'm told that HBO offered Top Rank $1M for VLom-Walters but that Walters (offered $350k and then bumped to $435k) wants $1M for himself.
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Is a certain writer actually praising the use of small PPVs? The same guy who bashes boxing on free TV? My god.
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