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As much as I would love to see Canelo win, GGG will kill him.The only way Canelo has a chance is down the road when GGG turns to his mid 30's, which is real soon, and at a catchweight. And yes, ODH is telling canelo to talk like that because that's how a major fight gets built. With time and some animosity built this will be a fight the world will want to watch.
Erislandy Lara doubts Golovkin will fight him now
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lara8By Scott Gilfoid: WBA World junior middleweight champion Erislandy Lara (20-2-2, 12 KOs) doubts that IBO/WBA middleweight champion Gennady Golovkin (33-0, 30 KOs) will ever face him after his fight against Willie Monroe Jr. (19-2, 6 KOs) last Saturday night.
Lara, 32, doesn’t say why he doubts that Golovkin would ever elect to face him, but it could be that Lara believes that Golovkin had problems with Monroe before lowering the boom on him in the 6th round in their fight at The Forum in Inglewood, California. The fight was televised on HBO Championship Boxing in the U.S and a lot of fans tuned in to see it despite the fight turning out to be a mismatch.
“So after last night, GGG Boxing will never fight me and I don’t blame him,” Lara said on his twitter. “I would make him look worse than Canelo.”
For the record, Lara lost to Canelo by a 12 round split decision last year in July. While some fans believe that Lara did enough to deserve the win, the general consensus is that Lara fought too passively by running for 12 rounds to deserve getting the victory. I saw the fight and had Canelo winning based on his superior aggression, but it was definitely a close fight. It was very boring though due to Lara’s running.
It would be a good fight for Golovkin to take on Lara if the Cuban fighter was willing to face him at middleweight rather than at junior middleweight or a catch-weight of 155. If Lara was willing to come up to middleweight, I think it would be interesting for boxing fans to see the difference between how Golovkin handles Lara compared to how Canelo did. If nothing else, it would give fans an opportunity to see the difference between Golovkin and Canelo in handling the same fighter. If Golovkin destroys Lara, you would have to assume that Golovkin would do the same thing to Canelo. It would definitely make Canelo look really bad if Golovkin obliterates Lara because Canelo clearly struggled badly with Lara, and ended up winning a close and controversial decision over him.
Golovkin would prove a lot by facing Lara because this is a guy that not too many people want to fight. The same with WBO junior middleweight champion Demetrius Andrade. If either of those two guys were willing to come up to 160 to face Golovkin, I think either of them would make great opponents for Golovkin’s next two fights in September and December.
Lara will be defending his WBA title next month on June 12th against fringe contender Delvin Rodriguez (28-7-4, 16 KOs) at the UIC Pavilion, in Chicago, Illinois, USA. Perhaps if Lara gets through that fight without suffering a cut or some other kind of injury, he might be available to fight Golovkin in September.
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lara8By Scott Gilfoid: WBA World junior middleweight champion Erislandy Lara (20-2-2, 12 KOs) doubts that IBO/WBA middleweight champion Gennady Golovkin (33-0, 30 KOs) will ever face him after his fight against Willie Monroe Jr. (19-2, 6 KOs) last Saturday night.
Lara, 32, doesn’t say why he doubts that Golovkin would ever elect to face him, but it could be that Lara believes that Golovkin had problems with Monroe before lowering the boom on him in the 6th round in their fight at The Forum in Inglewood, California. The fight was televised on HBO Championship Boxing in the U.S and a lot of fans tuned in to see it despite the fight turning out to be a mismatch.
“So after last night, GGG Boxing will never fight me and I don’t blame him,” Lara said on his twitter. “I would make him look worse than Canelo.”
For the record, Lara lost to Canelo by a 12 round split decision last year in July. While some fans believe that Lara did enough to deserve the win, the general consensus is that Lara fought too passively by running for 12 rounds to deserve getting the victory. I saw the fight and had Canelo winning based on his superior aggression, but it was definitely a close fight. It was very boring though due to Lara’s running.
It would be a good fight for Golovkin to take on Lara if the Cuban fighter was willing to face him at middleweight rather than at junior middleweight or a catch-weight of 155. If Lara was willing to come up to middleweight, I think it would be interesting for boxing fans to see the difference between how Golovkin handles Lara compared to how Canelo did. If nothing else, it would give fans an opportunity to see the difference between Golovkin and Canelo in handling the same fighter. If Golovkin destroys Lara, you would have to assume that Golovkin would do the same thing to Canelo. It would definitely make Canelo look really bad if Golovkin obliterates Lara because Canelo clearly struggled badly with Lara, and ended up winning a close and controversial decision over him.
Golovkin would prove a lot by facing Lara because this is a guy that not too many people want to fight. The same with WBO junior middleweight champion Demetrius Andrade. If either of those two guys were willing to come up to 160 to face Golovkin, I think either of them would make great opponents for Golovkin’s next two fights in September and December.
Lara will be defending his WBA title next month on June 12th against fringe contender Delvin Rodriguez (28-7-4, 16 KOs) at the UIC Pavilion, in Chicago, Illinois, USA. Perhaps if Lara gets through that fight without suffering a cut or some other kind of injury, he might be available to fight Golovkin in September.
Golovkin-Canelo is not realistic until 2016, says Loeffler
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By Dan Ambrose: While the golden-haired Saul “Canelo” Alvarez’s promoter Oscar De La Hoya says that a fight between the 24-year-old Canelo and IBO/WBA middleweight champion Gennady Golovkin (33-0, 30 KOs) can’t take place until 2017 at the earliest, Golovkin’s promoter Tom Loeffler sees it as a fight that can take place next year in 2016.
The 33-year-old Golovkin wants the fight right now, and he doesn’t see any reason to make it wait two years like De La Hoya wants. Loeffler believes that he’ll be able to get Canelo in the ring a year from now to face Golovkin.
Canelo vs. Golovkin fight won’t mean a whole lot if Canelo gets beaten beforehand by WBC middleweight champion Miguel Cotto in September this year, of if he loses to Cotto in early 2016. The only way Golovkin-Canelo winds up as a big fight is if Canelo can continue his short winning streak to go into the Golovkin fight with wins under his belt, not more losses.
Canelo was already beaten by Floyd Mayweather Jr. in 2013, and Canelo has arguable losses to Austin Trout and Erislandy Lara as well. That’s three defeats on Canelo’s record, in addition to his controversial draw against Jorge Juarez in 2006. I saw that fight and I had Juarez winning easily 3 rounds to 1. I thought it was poor scoring from the judges in giving the more popular Canelo a draw in a fight in which he was dominated by Juarez.
“It’s not realistic to fight Canelo until at least next year,” Loeffler said to ESPN.com. “The fight needs to be built, but the way Canelo sold 31,000 tickets last week and the way Gennady sells here in L.A., I don’t know how much more it needs to be built.”
I’m not sure that De La Hoya is aware of it or not, but 2016, Canelo is going to really need the Golovkin fight because the pressure will be on Canelo by then to face the good junior middleweights like the Charlo brothers, Demetrius Andrade and Erislandy Lara. I don’t know that Canelo can beat any of them without controversy. If Canelo loses to one or more of those fighters, you can bet that his popularity will nose dive, and he won’t continue to be able to fight on PPV. That’s why Canelo needs to take the big money fight against Golovkin while it’s still on the table because once Canelo starts losing to Andrade, the Charlo brothers and Lara, it won’t be a big deal for him to fight Golovkin any longer.
De La Hoya can certainly steer Canelo around Andrade, the Charlo brothers, Andrade and Lara, but there’s really no one else for Canelo to fight at 154 other than those guys. They are clearly the best fighters in the junior middleweight division at this time. De La Hoya will make Canelo look silly if he matches him against fighters like Ishe Smith, Cornelius Bundrage, Joshua Clottey and Carlos Molina. Those guys aren’t considered to be in the same league as Lara, Andrade and the Charlo brothers.
“I stay here. I am the real champion,” Golovkin said. “I want unification. Let’s go, let’s do it guys [Cotto]. Who is No. 1 right now? Bring it on. I will show you.”
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By Dan Ambrose: While the golden-haired Saul “Canelo” Alvarez’s promoter Oscar De La Hoya says that a fight between the 24-year-old Canelo and IBO/WBA middleweight champion Gennady Golovkin (33-0, 30 KOs) can’t take place until 2017 at the earliest, Golovkin’s promoter Tom Loeffler sees it as a fight that can take place next year in 2016.
The 33-year-old Golovkin wants the fight right now, and he doesn’t see any reason to make it wait two years like De La Hoya wants. Loeffler believes that he’ll be able to get Canelo in the ring a year from now to face Golovkin.
Canelo vs. Golovkin fight won’t mean a whole lot if Canelo gets beaten beforehand by WBC middleweight champion Miguel Cotto in September this year, of if he loses to Cotto in early 2016. The only way Golovkin-Canelo winds up as a big fight is if Canelo can continue his short winning streak to go into the Golovkin fight with wins under his belt, not more losses.
Canelo was already beaten by Floyd Mayweather Jr. in 2013, and Canelo has arguable losses to Austin Trout and Erislandy Lara as well. That’s three defeats on Canelo’s record, in addition to his controversial draw against Jorge Juarez in 2006. I saw that fight and I had Juarez winning easily 3 rounds to 1. I thought it was poor scoring from the judges in giving the more popular Canelo a draw in a fight in which he was dominated by Juarez.
“It’s not realistic to fight Canelo until at least next year,” Loeffler said to ESPN.com. “The fight needs to be built, but the way Canelo sold 31,000 tickets last week and the way Gennady sells here in L.A., I don’t know how much more it needs to be built.”
I’m not sure that De La Hoya is aware of it or not, but 2016, Canelo is going to really need the Golovkin fight because the pressure will be on Canelo by then to face the good junior middleweights like the Charlo brothers, Demetrius Andrade and Erislandy Lara. I don’t know that Canelo can beat any of them without controversy. If Canelo loses to one or more of those fighters, you can bet that his popularity will nose dive, and he won’t continue to be able to fight on PPV. That’s why Canelo needs to take the big money fight against Golovkin while it’s still on the table because once Canelo starts losing to Andrade, the Charlo brothers and Lara, it won’t be a big deal for him to fight Golovkin any longer.
De La Hoya can certainly steer Canelo around Andrade, the Charlo brothers, Andrade and Lara, but there’s really no one else for Canelo to fight at 154 other than those guys. They are clearly the best fighters in the junior middleweight division at this time. De La Hoya will make Canelo look silly if he matches him against fighters like Ishe Smith, Cornelius Bundrage, Joshua Clottey and Carlos Molina. Those guys aren’t considered to be in the same league as Lara, Andrade and the Charlo brothers.
“I stay here. I am the real champion,” Golovkin said. “I want unification. Let’s go, let’s do it guys [Cotto]. Who is No. 1 right now? Bring it on. I will show you.”
Lara doesn't even run his Twitter account, it's his manager DeCubas, the Twitter warrior who calls out everyone and talks shit. Lara just said in an interview ( in Spanish, the only language he speaks) that he has no intention of moving up in weight and 154 is where he will stay, so decubas is clearly name dropping Golovkin trying to get some hype around the Lara vs Delvin Rodriguez fight. Haymon has Lara planning for the Charlo brothers. Although Andrade been calling out Lara for a minute but I guess they aren't intetested in that.
But if there is some small chance a Haymon fighter can fight on HBO, sure why not. Lara would get absolutely pummeled though, it wouldn't be any different from the Monroe fight, except Monroe weighed 172 pounds and I seriously doubt Lara would weigh more than 165 at best. Total mismatch.
But if there is some small chance a Haymon fighter can fight on HBO, sure why not. Lara would get absolutely pummeled though, it wouldn't be any different from the Monroe fight, except Monroe weighed 172 pounds and I seriously doubt Lara would weigh more than 165 at best. Total mismatch.
He would get pummeled because Lara is fragile at 154 and has no business fighting the hardest punching middleweight, he'd get hurt. If the fight gets made you'll see for yourself and then proceed to discredit the win by saying GGG only beat up a smaller man.
You seen the way slow as fuck zero boxing skills Angulo was tossing Lara around the ring like a rag doll right, knocking him down twice? Ok so imagine him in the ring with a guy even bigger and far superior. Lara wouldn't be able to keep GGG off, Lara doesn't have the power, doesn't have an inside game and only throws 1-2 punches at a time. It would be a disaster for Lara.
I like Lara that's why I wouldn't want to see him make that mistake, which he won't because like I already said he's not moving up to 160 (confirmed by Lara himself not his manager on Twitter).
You seen the way slow as fuck zero boxing skills Angulo was tossing Lara around the ring like a rag doll right, knocking him down twice? Ok so imagine him in the ring with a guy even bigger and far superior. Lara wouldn't be able to keep GGG off, Lara doesn't have the power, doesn't have an inside game and only throws 1-2 punches at a time. It would be a disaster for Lara.
I like Lara that's why I wouldn't want to see him make that mistake, which he won't because like I already said he's not moving up to 160 (confirmed by Lara himself not his manager on Twitter).
That doesn't answer the question. If Lara is one of the best according to you, and Floyd is the best according to you, why is it that the only thing you had to say was pretty much "he doesn't have a big fan base he doesn't bring anything to the table?" Ok, right now, Lara doesn't bring anything to the table for GGG as he is not in the weight class and isn't a mandatory and he doesn't have the fanbase GGG has. So why fight him? I can see a Canelo fight as it would be a test for both guys, they both have a following and GGG is growing in popularity here in the states and not just among the mexican/latino community. But Lara? Too small. Chin not strong enough. Will be beaten to a pulp in tyhe 7th-9th rounds because GGG would catch up to him.
It would be a name on his resume but I don't think it's proving anything, he just beat a bigger version a 172 pound version of Lara pretty much (as far as being a southpaw and good boxing skills go, although Monroe lets his hands go more than Lara). As for bringing nothing to the table well HERSEY is right in the sense that Lara is not ranked at middleweight, he holds no belts, he holds no mandatory position, nothing.
But if the fight can be made, and if GGG can't get Canelo/Cotto, Andy Lee, or David Lemieux/N'dam, go for it. Problem is HBO vs Al Haymon fued so it's not going to happen anyways. Golovkin has an exclusive contract with HBO and Lara is a PBC fighter who don't fight on HBO, do it will end there.
But if the fight can be made, and if GGG can't get Canelo/Cotto, Andy Lee, or David Lemieux/N'dam, go for it. Problem is HBO vs Al Haymon fued so it's not going to happen anyways. Golovkin has an exclusive contract with HBO and Lara is a PBC fighter who don't fight on HBO, do it will end there.
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If you don't need anything to fight him why are people ducking him? How is he fighting bums when the people he is fighting are ranked by multiple organizations? There is absolutely nothing wrong with clearing out your division but he can't do that if people are afraid to fight him.
So either the MW division is a weak division all around or GGG is ahead of everyone else. The man has not ducked anyone in his division. And I don't want to see no he should fight Ward bullshit. If that's the case award should fight the LHW who called him out and FLOYD should fight GGG as well.
Again, you can't say Lara, a LMW, is a good fight for a guy who is a MW champ trying to unify the titles but then say Lara doesn't bring anything to the table when he was mandatory for Floyd.
In short, there is no reason to fight the guy. He beats him to a pulp, which he will, and people will say he is beating smaller fighters and will say Lara wasn't exciting anyway or he was damaged goods. Nope, just focus on clearing out the division and then moving up to fight that liar Ward if given the chance.
So either the MW division is a weak division all around or GGG is ahead of everyone else. The man has not ducked anyone in his division. And I don't want to see no he should fight Ward bullshit. If that's the case award should fight the LHW who called him out and FLOYD should fight GGG as well.
Again, you can't say Lara, a LMW, is a good fight for a guy who is a MW champ trying to unify the titles but then say Lara doesn't bring anything to the table when he was mandatory for Floyd.
In short, there is no reason to fight the guy. He beats him to a pulp, which he will, and people will say he is beating smaller fighters and will say Lara wasn't exciting anyway or he was damaged goods. Nope, just focus on clearing out the division and then moving up to fight that liar Ward if given the chance.
CZAR admitted before the fight he knew nothing about Monroe and never saw him fight so obviously his opinion that he's a bum is biased and without reasoning (other than he's a guy GGG beat). He's actually a good fighter and he did well against Golovkin given the circumstances. He'd beat a lot of middleweights, if Austin Trout was able to outbox Cotto, Monroe could too. He'd probably beat Peter Quillin and he'd at least hold his own with the rest of the division.
But none of that matters to CZAR, he doesn't like GGG because of some of the hype he's been getting which for some odd reason makes him jealous, quite bizarre really probably should see a doctor tbh.
But none of that matters to CZAR, he doesn't like GGG because of some of the hype he's been getting which for some odd reason makes him jealous, quite bizarre really probably should see a doctor tbh.
In the May thread I asked you if you've ever seen him fight. Don't act like all of a sudden you're an expert on Willie Monroe. I said in that thread exactly what would happen - that Monroe could give Golovkin some problems and put up a good fight and people like you would then call Golovkin a bum for struggling with a bum like Monroe while knowing nothing about him. Sure enough you're calling Monroe a bum.
Regardless, there isn't anyway for a Lara fight to happen. Lara should go after Boo Boo anyways who's been calling him out, now there is a realistic and compelling fight in his own weight class.
Regardless, there isn't anyway for a Lara fight to happen. Lara should go after Boo Boo anyways who's been calling him out, now there is a realistic and compelling fight in his own weight class.