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NM the replay is on now, but it just got started. I'm not staying awake that long...LOL. Post a video of it.

@ 2-0 the DVD you sent was great. Did you do that, or where'd you get that? Great quality, almost like professional.

Again, THAAAAANKS.
 
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Who was in that fight? (FNF)
Anthony Thompson vs Ishmail Arvin. Was a pretty decent fight but a headbutt split open Thompson in the third round and after a bunch of bullshit they stopped the fight and gave Arvin a TKO win. What's funny is Thompson's people made a reference to the Zab fight saying some shit like "the Judah fight went to the cards after a headbutt." They even looked at the ESPN replay like 4 times and still gave Arvin a win .. kind of shitty.
 
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there showing olympic boxing right now, not sure what I want to watch this or the espn2 replay....

@ 2-0 the DVD you sent was great. Did you do that, or where'd you get that? Great quality, almost like professional.

Again, THAAAAANKS.
glad you like it man. I don't remember which DVD I sent you - I have a couple different versions one I custom made the other was a DVD I downloaded from worldboxingvideoarchive.com
 
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Anthony Thompson vs Ishmail Arvin. Was a pretty decent fight but a headbutt split open Thompson in the third round and after a bunch of bullshit they stopped the fight and gave Arvin a TKO win. What's funny is Thompson's people made a reference to the Zab fight saying some shit like "the Judah fight went to the cards after a headbutt." They even looked at the ESPN replay like 4 times and still gave Arvin a win .. kind of shitty.

yeah the dc commison could have made shit right but they had to fuck up for themselfs they would have been more respected of the boxing world if they would have gotten this right.
 
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With Pacquiao (Probably) Out - Who Now For De La Hoya; Roy Jones, Shane Mosley, Verno

By James Slater: With talks for a much discussed Oscar De La Hoya-Manny Pacquiao currently at a standstill, a number of alternate names are being bandied around as possibilities for "The Golden Boy's" farewell fight in December.

According to a news article in The L.A Times, who heard from Richard Schaefer of Golden Boy Promotions, none other than Roy Jones Junior is being looked at as a potential De La Hoya foe. According to Schaefer, representatives for Jones have made it clear they are interested in beginning talks.

"Every fighter in the world wants to fight Oscar," Schaefer said.

It seems Roy Jones Junior wants to. Other names being put forward as possibilities for December 6th include the winner of the Sergio Mora-Vernon Forrest September 13th rematch and, perhaps most surprisingly, Sugar Shane Mosley. I say surprisingly, because Mosley is, of course, now a firm business acquaintance of De La Hoya and a good friend, too. But, according to Schaefer, a third fight between Oscar and Shane could well take place.

With Mosley at present having his name put next to some ugly allegations of known steroid taking, a third bout between the two men would have this factor thrown in as an added piece of intrigue.

"Was he [Mosley] taking steroids, was he not?" Schaefer asked. "The only way to settle this is to see who is the best in the ring."

Firstly, Mosley has to get past the dangerous wild man that is Nicaragua's Ricardo Mayorga, in September. But should he do as most people expect he will and win that one, a third instalment of the Mosley-De La Hoya rivalry could be upon us. A risky fight for De La Hoya, to be sure, but a bout the fans would pay to see. Their first fight was a near classic, while their rematch produced a highly debatable decision - one that went to Mosley. If Oscar could gain revenge for one of his two defeats at the hands of Shane, it would be a great way for the 35-year-old legend to leave his sport.

Whoever De La Hoya fights in his very last fight in December, the place is sure to be rocking with fans. If the man in the opposite corner of the ring turns out to be either Roy Jones Junior or Sugar Shane Mosley, the biggest fight of 2008 will have been saved for last
 
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Pacquiao's Lawyer: "We Won't Budge From a 60-40 Split"

By Mark Vester

Negotiations are still ongoing for a potential December 6 bout between Oscar De La Hoya and Manny Pacquiao, but unless one of the fighters is willing to come down from their monetary demand - the fight is probably not going to happen.

Talks for the fight were hot and heavy until Wednesday, when De La Hoya refused to budge from his 70-30 revenue split, and Pacquiao refused to budge from his 60-40 demand. Pacquiao walked away and told his promoter Bob Arum to start working on a fight with Humberto Soto for November, while De La Hoya told his CEO Richard Schaefer to secure Sergio Mora for the same December date in Las Vegas.

Pacquiao's lawyer Franklin Gacal told the Manila Bulletin that a fight with De La Hoya can still happen, but they won't move from their 60-40 demand. De La Hoya only gave Floyd Mayweather Jr. 30% last May and refuses to give a bigger percentage to Pacquiao because Oscar feels that he is not bigger than Floyd. Gacal said that Pacquiao has the final say on whether or not a 70-30 deal is kosher.

"There is still a chance for this fight to take place but we are not budging from our 60-40 stand," said Gacal. It’s not right to invite Pacquiao to a despedida party by just giving him a bone from the banquet. Still, it would all depend on Manny whether he will accept 70-30. It’s all up to him."
 
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Cut to the Chase: It's Time for Instant Replay in Boxing

By Ryan Songalia

There was a time when the referee was said to have the best seat in the house in a boxing fight. Yet more and more you wonder if refs should clock in from the comfort of a couch and an HD television.

Recent events in the sport beckon the call for increased competency training for a select group of refs that seem incapable of identifying one of the most prevalent mishaps in the sport, accidental head butts.

Admittedly, boxing referees have one of the hardest jobs in sports. Boxing fights move faster than most sports that don't start with a gun shot and can end at any moment. Officials are subject to the same human fallibility that burdens the rest of mankind.

But when a clear injustice such as the one that Anthony Thompson experienced last night against Ishmail Arvin at the Ibiza Night Club in Washington, DC, occurs, where does the accountability fall?

Rebounding from a pivotal loss against Yuri Foreman last year, Thompson was in the driver's seat all night, had dropped Arvin twice in the third round and appeared on his way to an impressive victory. In that same round a clash of heads occurred leaving Thompson with a nasty gash that gradually began to swell horrifically.

After the eighth round it was abundantly clear that Thompson's cut was too severe to allow the action to continue.

Typical protocol dictates that after four rounds, if an accidental head butt occurs that produces a gash that severely impairs the injured fighter's vision, the fight goes to a technical decision and whoever has won the most rounds takes home the victory.

Now that's what should have happened.

Instead what did happen was a textbook example of injustice. Referee Malik Waleed ruled the cut a product of a punch, though one would be hard-pressed to find a notable blow landed by Arvin. Thompson now returns to Philadelphia with a TKO loss.

Listening to Thompson plead to the referee "Please, don't do this to me" just breaks your heart. A man who had been inactive for more than a year looking to get back in the swing of things should be concerned with ring rust, not the incapacity of the commission; the same commission that allowed the timekeeper to ring the bell at the 2:00 mark of the second round when the house fighter Mike Anchondo was in dire straits against Darling Jiminez last year.

Upon the announcement of the farcical result, Arvin had the audacity to exclaim "What!" as if he had somehow accomplished some amazing feat. Arvin has about as much to be proud of after this last fight as Francisco Lorenzo had after the Humberto Soto fight.

Just two weeks ago Joshua Clottey had a TKO win taken away from him against Zab Judah when a cut that was shown to be the result of a vicious uppercut was incorrectly attributed to a head clash. Clottey exalted in celebration when Judah copped out, only to discover that he still had to contend with Las Vegas judges. For his sake, the officials brought their A-games and raised the correct arm.

These examples and more once again ask the question: Why hasn't the sport adapted to technology and implemented instant replays?

The WBC recently agreed to test out video replays on a trial basis. When the WBC is ahead of the rest of the boxing world, the red flag for reform is at full-staff. WBC representative Mauricio Sulaiman said that replays could help determine whether cuts were caused by butts, whether a punch was low, or whether a shot came after the bell, among other uses.

"It can help in cases when the audience in the arena and whole world is watching on television realizes that something has happened that was not correctly called by the referee, who might have missed it, because his vision was obscured."

Under the guidelines of the provisional program, a call can be overturned if a three-party panel comes into unanimous agreement that an error in judgment had occurred. The panel would be comprised of a WBC official, a local commission representative and a monitor supervisor. Hopefully a similar program becomes standard in the sport.

Luckily for Thompson, ESPN and their crew were on hand to record the cut and the commission, in all of their ineptitude, fumbling an issue that could potentially ruin a talented fighter's career.

An appeal is expected from Thompson's camp and video evidence will unveil a truth that will hang over Malik Waleed's tenure for a long time. Hopefully the commission will right their wrong and revise the record books
 
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What If - Oscar de la Hoya vs. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. this Cinco de Mayo

By Jack Presscot:
Apollo Creed, in the very first, Oscar winning Rocky movie was in his office, looking up opponents with his trainer and his promoter. They were going over a list of potential opponents, but none of them seemed to faze Apollo, who seemed bored with the names, until he found the perfect match. "This guy, heres our guy!" To which the promoter says "Balboa? His record's poor", and Apollo disagreed. "The name....The Italian Stallion"...and after pondering it a minute, thinks aloud...."Apollo Creed vs. the Eye-Tallion Stallion....sounds like a damned Monster Movie."

It is basically the same concept with Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. His record is not poor, but he really has beaten nobody special. He is not a current or former World Champion. But what a hell of a name, and an opponent for Oscar de la Hoya's final fight. In 1996, Oscar de la Hoya and Julio Cesar Chavez fought in a fight deemed "Ultimate Glory" and had the attention of the entire boxing world, as the beloved Golden Boy of Boxing took on the Patron Saint of Mexico for the WBC World Title at jr. welterweight.

The fight did not live up to all the hype, as Julio was cut in the first round by an Oscar stinging jab, and the cut led to the stoppage a few rounds later, as Julio looked like a murder scene victim. (Was it Julio Jr. who bonked heads with his daddy earlier in the week?) The Chavez camp stated that the cut was due to an accident involving one of Julio's sons, and this tainted the victory for Oscar de la Hoya. 2 years later, the fight deemed "Ultimate Revenge" happened in September, Oscar and Julio put on an interesting toe to toe war for several rounds, until a de la Hoya uppercut caused the inside of Chavez' mouth to bleed uncontrollably, and led to a stoppage.

Julio finally gave Oscar congratulations for defeating him. Oscar had indeed defeated the Patron Saint of Mexico, but this caused him to be generally hated by the Mexican fans he had hoped to get on his side. So hated, that in his autobiography, "American Son" he speaks of being Grand Marshall of a Parade in LA and getting jeered and pelted with rotten fruit, all because he had defeated Chavez.

10 years later, and the son of Julio is now 38-0, and needs a big name after the Vanda rematch. Oscar de la Hoya finds himself without a final opponent for his career, as Manny Pac has told him that the 70-30 offer was unacceptable. Oscar is now calling out Sergio Mora, but nobody outside of LA knows who Mora is. If this fight is held in the Staples Center, on HBO WCB, perhaps it will be successful, but it is certainly not worthy of PPV status.

But a de la Hoya-Chavez Jr. fight would be huge, and a shot at final redemption for the Chavez family. If Julio Jr. takes 6 months to prepare and comes in at a ripped 152, for this jr. middleweight bout, and spends many countless hours running in high altitude mountains, and learning how to block, dodge and parry punches from a defensive specialist, he stands as good a chance as anyone against an Oscar de la Hoya who is pushing 36 years old, and had already began to show his age against Pretty Boy's sparring partner, little Stevie Forbes. And in this fight, Julio Jr. cannot be stubborn like Manny Pac was holding out for huge dollars. As green as Chavez still is, he would probably agree to fight Oscar for free, just for a shot at revenge for his father.
 
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Ronney Vargas, Talented Prospect Shot Dead in NY


By Mark Vester

In yet another tragedy to hit the boxing community, up and coming junior middleweight prospect Ronney Vargas (8-0, 6KOs) was shot dead in the early hours on Saturday during a dispute in the Bronx, New York. Vargas, 20, was a three-time New York Golden Gloves champion.

According to details in the NY Daily News, Vargas was pistol-whipped and then shot in the chest inside his car in the East Tremont section of the Bronx. Police told the paper that Vargas and five friends got into a beef with two couples inside a deli along Clinton Ave. around 3:30 a.m, which started when one of the men became upset because their girlfriends were flirting with Vargas.

After Vargas and his friends left the deli, the men followed their car. When they pulled up alongside Vargas' vehicle, a jumped out and approached Vargas, pistol-whipped him and then shot him in the chest.

Vargas drove off to get away and would later leave the vehicle and collapsed in the street. Vargas died at St. Barnabas Hospital. Police haven't made an arrest.
 
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Demetrius Andrade loses to Jungjoo Kim

fuck! How embarrassing is that?? There is only ONE American left and chances are he will not win a medal either. This will likely be the first time in history america doesn't win a medal in boxing. wow.
 
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Amir Khan Says He'd Love A Fight With Ricky Hatton - Twelve Months From Now

By James Slater: Unbeaten super prospect Amir Khan has yet to make his mark on the global scene at lightweight, but the unbeaten 21-year-old former Olympic silver medallist is already looking ahead to the future and to the light-welterweight division. The fighter hotshot Khan has in his sights as a potential opponent in a year or so? None other than fellow countryman Ricky "The Hitman" Hatton.

Speaking with Sky Sports News recently, Khan said he'd like a go at Hatton in twelve months or so, if Hatton is still fighting.

"What a fight it would be," Khan told Sky. "I've always said I want to move up the weights to light-welterweight, maybe in twelve months, and if Ricky is still around that fight could be made. It would be a massive fight - both of us come from Manchester - and it is a fight that people would want to watch. It would be one of the biggest British fights ever and you'd have a lot of people watching it."

Khan is correct when he says the fight would be massive. In fact, that is something of a an understatement. Hatton, one of the most phenomenally popular British fighters in history, has proven time and again he is the undisputed #1 champion at the box-office - filling huge venues with no trouble at all. While Khan is a young fighter who has captured the imagination of not only U.K boxing fans, but, more importantly, the casual sports fan. A household name after only a few of his early pro bouts, Khan's face is as well known as can be.

But while the possibility of a huge night in the future with Hatton and Khan going at it in front of over 50,000 people is something to get excited about, there are many hurdles to be overcome first. Khan's next opponent, for example, in Colombia's Breidis Prescott, will be hoping to wreck Khan's future when they clash on September 6th.

Amir says he is aware of how much a threat the 19-0(17) Colombian is, and that he will not be looking past him.

"The next fight is in Manchester and that is another step up," Khan said. "He [Prescott] is good, he's got a similar record to me in that he'd had nineteen fights and he's undefeated. He's knocked out 17 of the 19, so it's a big step up. It's going to be a 50-50 fight. It's going to be a big step up but I'm going to grab it with both hands."

A 50-50 fight? A big step up? Khan may be building Prescott up a little too much with those comments, but it's to be expected. Khan is fast becoming as proficient at promoting as he is at fighting!
 
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Pacquiao: "De La Hoya's Offer is a Slap in My Face"

By Ronnie Nathanielsz

Filipino ring idol Manny Pacquiao is pushing “The Golden Boy” Oscar De La Hoya to effectively renew their stalled negotiations for a planned showdown at 147 pounds in Las Vegas on December 6.

Talks were called off after De La Hoya refused to budge on his original proposal for a 70-30 revenue split and rejected Pacquiao’s counter proposal for a 60-40 sharing Pacquiao had branded the Del Hoya stand unconscionable.

Now, Pacquiao is attempting to draw De La Hoya out by using a different tack… going public with a challenge.

In his widely-read column in the Filipino tabloid Abante which was also carried by Philboxing, Pacquiao said “I think this fight should happen if Mr. De La Hoya really loves the sport of boxing. This fight will be our legacy to the sport, especially because it will be Mr. De La Hoya’s last fight.”

Noting the high public interest in the proposed fight Pacquiao expressed confidence they could fill up Dodger Stadium or any other venue, stating he was prepared to face De La Hoya “anywhere, anytime.”

Pacquiao said boxing’s “Golden Boy” vs. boxing’s “Most Exciting Fighter” and the current No.1 pound-for-pound boxer in the world would be “A Dream Match.”

He took a dig at De La Hoya by stating that De La Hoya had shown “little interest by offering me a percentage that only an up-and-coming fighter rightly deserves. If he really wants the fight then he should, at the very least, give me what I truly deserve - a fair share of the pie.”

Pacquiao said De La Hoya should understand that they are both superstars in the game and “our names will sell everything and we stand to break all existing records in the sport, even the one that he established with Floyd Mayweather.”

In a recent interview with insidesports.ph, Viva Sports and Manila Standard Today in Cebu City, Pacquiao said he believes the pay-per-view buys in a fight against De La Hoya would reach 2.2 million. However, his lawyer Franklin “Jeng” Gacal in objecting to the 70-30 split raised concerns that the fight may not draw as many PPV hits as the De La Hoya - Mayweather fight which would then be unfair to Pacquiao in terms of the revenue sharing offer of Golden Boy.

Pacquiao branded the 70-30 offer a “slap in my face and the fans of boxing“ stressing that if he accepted the offer he would look pitiful. He addressed De La Hoya directly saying “this fight is going to be better than the Mayweather fight because as you may already know I will not be running away from you. It will be a fight for the ages, even our grandkids will be talking about this match even when we are already old. Don’t let the opportunity pass.“

Pacquiao emphasized that he doesn’t run from any challenge “especially the ones I think I have a chance to win”. While conceding that De La Hoya will come into the fight a bigger man, Pacquiao said his team thinks he has “a winning shot, however small it may be.”

In conclusion Pacquiao who is a hero in the Philippines told De La Hoya, “lets do this fight once and for all for our love of boxing. I will continue to wait.”

Top Rank promoter Bob Arum when contacted by insidesports.ph on Pacquiao’s public attempt to needle De La Hoya to revive talks said “let’s wait and see.“ At the same time Arum said he has been working on a fallback fight which would be a WBC lightweight defense against Humberto Soto.

Trainer Freddie Roach had earlier expressed confidence that Pacquiao would knock De La Hoya out saying De La Hoya was slow, couldn’t pull the trigger and Pacquiao’s speed and power would get the job done.
 
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fuck! How embarrassing is that?? There is only ONE American left and chances are he will not win a medal either. This will likely be the first time in history america doesn't win a medal in boxing. wow.
How do you expect me not read that :( It's like telling someone don't look down and you'll be alright. I always look down =[
 
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sorry man I tried to warn you!

shit, well hopefully Andrade turns pro soon.

Whats funny is the Russians are sucking it up to, I believe they were the favorite to win the most medals. lol.
The fights just started. The Russians have been doing shitty but we've just been embarrasing and it's not like we had a horrible team. Warren & Andrade were gold medal favorites going into it. Yanez had wins over a few guys in his division already and was pretty good.

I think Andrade and Wilder will make good pros. Wilder is raw as hell but seems to have real good power and I'm sure he'll be taken care of in his career especially if he places.
 
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I understand that Oscar is a champion, has been a huge draw for years, but right now, Manny is the draw. I wouldn't pay to see Oscar De La Hoya fight many people, but I would to see him fight Manny. I'd pay to see him fight Margarito, but only because I'd like to see Antonio beat his face in. That's Tony, not Oscar. I'd pay to see him, fight Winky Wright, but only because I'm a Winky fan. That's him, not Oscar.

Fuck Oscar De La Hoya if he fights Mora. I hope Mora loses to Forrest.

Then what, Oscar?

And if he does win, I hope Mora knocks Oscar into the 4th row, where his wife is sitting, and knocks her front teeth out.
 
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wow, Wilder just got lucky as fuck. less then a minute left, Wilder down 9-8, then the other guy gets a warning which makes it 10-9, ends up being 10-10 when time runs out. They do the tie breaker shit and it goes to Wilder. Man, he probably should have lost that fight.

glad he got through though, but he's just too unexperienced. Not good if he's are only hope!
 
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Just watched the Kim/Andrade fight. Kim fought a real good fight against Andrade and kept him off balance most of the time. Andrade should've stayed in the ring instead of storming out, whether he thinks he won or not, there's been guys in tears who stayed in the ring after the loss. I still think Andrade will make a real good pro and hopefully some of these cubans defect in the upcoming years.
 
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lol @ chavez jr fighting dlh..u could hate him all u want,but dlh would destroy junior.

and this is coming from someone who thinks oscars a punk for trynna fight pacman instead of tony m.
 
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At this point i have to agree...It's way too early for Chavez Jr. to fight a dude like DLH, he needs more time in the ring. With that said hopefully Chavez will continue to impress me, i think it was his last fight if im correct....I didnt really like the way he fought a lil un impressed in that figtht, dude didnt live up to his talent!