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HERESY

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how is a decorated amateur legend fighting top opponents early bad for boxing? LOL
He didn't earn the fight. Plain and simple. Why is that so hard to understand? You have people ranked in the top ten looking for a break and people climbing the top 20 looking. This guy just comes in and gets a shot? Bullshit. This is the type of shit you condone, fighters not earning the right to fight the champion. Bullshit.

His title shot only happened because Salido gave him the opportunity. Loma wasn't a mandatory or anything like that. Salido had a voulantary fight, he chose to fight Loma because the money was good.
See above.

Now remember, as far as Russell Jr (who was mandatory) vs Loma for the vacant title, I said I dont know what the exact situation was and if there were other guys ranked higher not available, etc, so I can't comment in that. Nor can u unless you know the details and what the rankings were.
All suspect. All of this shit sounds like Arum trying to create a new puppet cashcow.

Regardles, top fighters fighting top fighters is good for boxing and my entire point here is Loma is a title holder and if Walters wants unify he has to fight him. That's my point.
A guy who was gifted two title shots is now a champ, yep you are correct. So Walters does need the fight if he wants to unify. I agree. However, I also agree with Walters.
 
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Salido GAVE Lomachenko the opportunity, that's on him. He was a voulantary, Loma was not ordered to fight Salido by anyone. If he didn't deserve a title shot or not disappears right there the moment Salido decided to fight him. If Lomachenko was made mandatory to fight Salido after one fight then I'd agree with you, absolutely. But that wasn't the case.

I condone shitty fights not good fights.

As far as Arum goes, he didn't want Loma to fight Salido that soon, he wanted to build Loma up like he normally does but Loma insisted so the fight was made. Loma is the guy who wants to fight top opponents, he's made it really clear that's important to him.
 

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Salido GAVE Lomachenko the opportunity, that's on him. He was a voulantary, Loma was not ordered to fight Salido by anyone. If he didn't deserve a title shot or not disappears right there the moment Salido decided to fight him. If Lomachenko was made mandatory to fight Salido after one fight then I'd agree with you, absolutely. But that wasn't the case.
Arum pulled the strings. Cut the shit.

I condone shitty fights not good fights.
Exactly.

As far as Arum goes, he didn't want Loma to fight Salido that soon, he wanted to build Loma up like he normally does but Loma insisted so the fight was made. Loma is the guy who wants to fight top opponents, he's made it really clear that's important to him.
Smokescreen. Arum most likely shot Salido some money to do it. Bottom line bro, you gotta earn the fight. He didn't earn it and then got another title fight on some bullshit.

Now I'm not taking away from his skills. I can't do that whatsoever. However, he has nor earned the right to fight a champion in the pros. So for me, the best fighters EARN their shots and wins. They aren't gifted shit.
 
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Lomachenko jumped to #5 in the WBO rankings after beating Jose Ramirez, who held a lesser WBO title. He stayed at #5 after losing to Salido, likely because Salido came in overweight and Lomachenko gave a good account of his abilities.

Gary Russell Jr. was ranked #1 and Chonlatarn (who Lomachenko just beat) was ranked #2, Kamil Laszczyk was ranked #3, Joel Brunker was ranked #4. Whether those guys had fights scheduled at the time the purse bid was ordered for the vacant title or passed up a fight with Gary Russell Jr who knows.
 
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Lomachenko jumped to #5 in the WBO rankings after beating Jose Ramirez, who held a lesser WBO title. He stayed at #5 after losing to Salido, likely because Salido came in overweight and Lomachenko gave a good account of his abilities.

Gary Russell Jr. was ranked #1 and Chonlatarn (who Lomachenko just beat) was ranked #2, Kamil Laszczyk was ranked #3, Joel Brunker was ranked #4. Whether those guys had fights scheduled at the time the purse bid was ordered for the vacant title or passed up a fight with Gary Russell Jr who knows.
There you go, ssomeone actually posting details on the matter (which I admitted to HERESY several times I didn't know the rankings and situation).

Was there some kind of outrage in boxing regarding Lomachenko getting a title fight? lol on the contrary, hella people were interested and excited for it. It was a great fight for both Loma and Russell Jr, two highly decorated amateurs going at it to prove their worth. Good fight, people were interested in it and it paid both fighters well.

HERESY seems to somehow think that since I am complaining about fights like Danny Garcia vs Ron Salka I should oppose a good fight in Loma vs Russell Jr.? That doesn't compute.

My only point on the matter in the first place was that if Walters wants to unify, he'll need to fight Lomachenko eventually. Doesn't matter how many pro fights he is because the fact of the matter is he is a champ, that's really all there is to it.

Also, a point that was ignored, is that in Japan we see fighters with only a few fights get title shots all the time, it's not that unusual in boxing, it's just not the norm here in the states where more often than not guys go the Russell Jr or Deontay Wilder route.
 
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Here is ssomething interesting regarding Al Haymon and how good he is, or possibly isn't, for his fighters. Pacquiao, Roach, etc all say Danny Garcia would be preferred next if no Mayweather. Garcia has no contract with Showtime. Would Haymon allow Garcia to fight Pacquiao on HBO for an obvious record payday and career defining moment? If not, well that's not working for the best interests of his fighter....

Roach: If No Mayweather, Danny Garcia is Perfect - Boxing News
 
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I think the most interesting part is that Arum did come out and say that Mayweather is up for the fight with Manny. With that being said, Haymon is starting to lose some control as far as what Showtime is gonna be willing to pay his fighters, and HBO is also losing cuz they can't escape the fact that fighters are signing to Haymon. I honestly believe that if the fight is to happen, it won't happen til fall of 2015. HBO needs to cash in on Canelo vs Cotto and Mayweather is not gonna fight Khan nor Alexander 3 months before Manny. Let's see what "advise" Haymon will give Garcia or Floyd.
 
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hella random. I guess there is a new Em song where he mentions Paulie after talking about how Ronda Rousey wouldn't be able to turn him on or some shit '



I got a Magic Johnson
It's like a Magic Wand allows me to not let a blonde arouse me
If Ronda Rousey was on the couch with the condoms out
Holding a thousand Magnums at once to pounce me
I'll laugh in response to how she dances and flaunts it around me
Her flat little badonkadonk is bouncing around
And all I see is Paulie Malignaggi, she's slaughterhouse in a blouse
 

Coach E. No

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hella random. I guess there is a new Em song where he mentions Paulie after talking about how Ronda Rousey wouldn't be able to turn him on or some shit '



I got a Magic Johnson
It's like a Magic Wand allows me to not let a blonde arouse me
If Ronda Rousey was on the couch with the condoms out
Holding a thousand Magnums at once to pounce me
I'll laugh in response to how she dances and flaunts it around me
Her flat little badonkadonk is bouncing around
And all I see is Paulie Malignaggi, she's slaughterhouse in a blouse
lol the wordplay on that is dope but that whole rhyme is retarded
 
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lol damn





Pascal's Adviser Drops Grenades on Adonis Stevenson


By Rick Reeno

Greg Leon, adviser to former light heavyweight champion Jean Pascal (29-2-1, 17KOs), came firing with guns in both hands after reading some of the recent statements which appeared on BoxingScene.com from WBC light heavyweight champion Adonis Stevenson (24-1, 20KOs).

Among other things, Stevenson said Pascal's mandatory ranking was "a gift" and he was nothing more than an "undercard fighter" who deserved the low-end take of a "70-30" monetary split.

Yvon Michel, who promotes Stevenson and used to promote Pascal, has set aside an April date for the mandatory showdown. Pascal is currently under a three fight co-promotional deal between his own company, where Leon is the CEO, and InterBox.

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"I imagine it's because he used to be a pimp that he lacks appreciation for the money others, and in this case, Jean Pascal has allowed him to make. You see Stevenson's title challenge against Chad Dawson was an absolute gift from Jean Pascal that he's never said thank you for. Jean Pascal preferred to make history in Canada [with Lucian Bute] rather than fight [Dawson] a guy he already defeated, who was coming off a terrible one sided stoppage loss to Andre Ward. These are just facts. Adonis Stevenson hasn't faced a quality boxer who won their last bout. Dawson and Cloud were both coming off their worst losses and Fonfara was a solid ESPN fighter until Stevenson's subpar performance turned him into the next Al Haymon client," Leon stated to BoxingScene.com.

"Not that anyone has ever accused Adonis Stevenson of being smart, but in trying to diminish Jean Pascal he admits to ducking what he views as an undercard fighter. If Pascal is an undercard fighter, Dmitry Sukhotsky is a walkout bout caliber fighter. If Adonis understood the business of boxing even a little bit, he would understand that Jean Pascal has a deal in place that is exponentially better than his. Pascal's deal with InterBox gives him more financial protection than any other boxer in the world not named Mayweather, Alvarez or Klitschko."

"In 2014, Stevenson flat out ducked Kovalev, Hopkins and Jean Pascal. He turned down multiple career high paydays and Pascal would have been the biggest payday of them all, in favor of Sukhotsky. Need I say more? Al Haymon should give a quick tug to the string that controls Adonis Stevenson's mouth and shut him up, because the more he talks the dumber he sounds. He also overlooks the fact that he turned down 60% of all the revenue to make the fight happen on December 6.

"One side says 70-30, the other one says 50-50. When you want to make a deal you find the middleground. 40-60 was the middleground and after already ducking Kovalev and Hopkins, Adonis once again showed his true colors and put the final nail into his cowardly coffin.

"I've said it before and I'll say it again, in his two fights with Hopkins and the Bute fight, Jean Pascal has sold more tickets and generated more revenue than Adonis has in his entire career. Pascal has been in three of highest grossing fights ever in Canada and Stevenson was not involved in the other two.

"There were 22,000 fans in attendance for the Bute fight. That is more than Adonis has in his title challenge and three subsequent defenses combined. Adding the gates for the two Hopkins fight, Carl Froch and the two Diaconu fights only further defines who is clearly the bigger draw of the two.

"Hey Adonis, you know what I've never seen before? A fighter of the year using all of that momentum to become universally recognized as the biggest coward in boxing the very next year. I've also never seen a 37-year-old with just one seven-figure purse under his belt talk so much nonsense about money.

"Please allow me to leave you with one more interesting fact. After his humiliating loss to Darnell Boone - this boxing brain signed a multi-year deal with Groupe Yvon Michel, the only company that showed any interest in him, for 40 cents on the dollar. I can't be the only one who only hears quacking whenever Adonis Stevenson speaks. Can I?"
 
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add that comedy to go along with Ruslan fighting Castillo and Mickey Rouke at age 62 on the same card.
The sad part is both of those cards have actual good fights on them. As many stupid fights that I watch I'll likely just fast forward the Rourke fight when it comes .. no interest in seeing him fighting a 1-9 or whatever the guy is.
 
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Pascal Is Being Considered for Kovalev’s Next Opponent
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Haitian-born boxer Jean Pascal listens aSergey Kovalev might get his shot at a Canadian light heavyweight after all. Except it might not be the one you’re expecting. For 2014, the fight every fan wanted was a showdown between Sergey Kovalev and Haitian born Canadian Adonis Stevenson.

Stevenson signed with Al Haymon and jumped to Showtime and the fight never came to fruition. We thought Stevenson jumped to Showtime to secure a fight with Bernard Hopkins. However, it was Hopkins that turned the tide and jumped to HBO to fight Kovalev.

Kovalev defeated Hopkins decisively on November 8th and in turn was the holder of 3 belts. A fight with Adonis Stevenson who holds the lineal title and the 4th belt in the division would make for a fight for the undisputed champion of the 175 lb. division. However, boxing politics may be in the way of that and many still wonder if Stevenson wants that fight.

According to ESPN’s Dan Rafael Jean Pascal, who fights next week is in consideration to be Kovalev’s next opponent next year.

“There have been some discussions,” Kathy Duva, Kovalev’s promoter told ESPN.com regarding a possible Kovalev-Pascal fight. “But of course we have an IBF mandatory to consider as well.”

The IBF mandatory is Nadjib Mohammedi who is also promoted by Kathy Duva’s Main Events. A fight like that might not garner much interest from HBO or the fans alike in the manner that a fight with Pascal would.

Pascal who is a draw in Montreal tried to secure a fight as the mandatory to Stevenson’s WBC belt but terms could not be agreed upon. A fight between Pascal and Stevenson would be huge in Canada but it seems that both sides are far apart financially.

So an interesting prospect is a Kovalev-Pascal fight in Canada should Pascal win next week.