Boxing Insiders Say 'No' To Margarito Licensing
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^ The thing about sterioids is that there isn't really any solid proof that steroids are beneficial to a boxer that isn't a heavyweight.
The thing with the hand wraps is that he literally could have killed Shane with those. Look up Luis Resto.
The wraps situation is way worse, IMO. That shit is like punching a guy with bricks, literally.
The thing with the hand wraps is that he literally could have killed Shane with those. Look up Luis Resto.
The wraps situation is way worse, IMO. That shit is like punching a guy with bricks, literally.
I'm not saying they should have suspended him for life .. I'm saying that if you don't want him fighting then suspend him for life, don't suspend him for one year then get upset when he serves his time and attempts his comeback.
He should be able to fight in any state with no problem.
.. and yeah if you're fighting someone that can take a beating with bricks in your gloves it's a bullshit situation. You can cause serious damage to a resilient fighter with those on.
He should be able to fight in any state with no problem.
.. and yeah if you're fighting someone that can take a beating with bricks in your gloves it's a bullshit situation. You can cause serious damage to a resilient fighter with those on.
There are so many steroids and each of them do different things. You cannot classify them in one group, and just say "steroids". You can get stronger, cut weight, gain muscle mass, boost stamina, and there are different ones for all of them. I think any of them would be beneficial in any weight class, just depending on what substance you use.
I would personally prefer doing a mean cycle and enter the ring, rather than putting plaster in my gloves and waiting for them to get hard in 8 or 9 rounds.
I would personally prefer doing a mean cycle and enter the ring, rather than putting plaster in my gloves and waiting for them to get hard in 8 or 9 rounds.
Great posts, naner.
He served his time, and now he should be allowed to come back. He's lost millions of dollars, future money, respect, etc...this is his livelihood. This reminds me of Vick. He served his time, lost his money, lost about everything...and he was still expected to lose more.
He was caught vs. Mosley. I will not assume he used vs. Cotto, or anyone else.
In that case, if it was that easy for him to load his gloves, who else is doing it? Who else has done it? Maybe dozens of others have done it. Maybe maybe maybe.
The PROOF is what I go by, not speculation.
He served his time, and now he should be allowed to come back. He's lost millions of dollars, future money, respect, etc...this is his livelihood. This reminds me of Vick. He served his time, lost his money, lost about everything...and he was still expected to lose more.
He was caught vs. Mosley. I will not assume he used vs. Cotto, or anyone else.
In that case, if it was that easy for him to load his gloves, who else is doing it? Who else has done it? Maybe dozens of others have done it. Maybe maybe maybe.
The PROOF is what I go by, not speculation.
Man you can't compare with Vick did to what Margarito did... Vick was fighting dogs aside from football. Margarito was attempting to seriously hurt someone with loaded gloves during a fight..... Plus Vick went to prison. Margarito has just been sitting out. He should be suspended for life, there's no tellin how many times he fought with loaded gloves. He got caught this time...
^^right, the only technical thing is that Margarito never actually got caught in the act. If say, he fought mosley with loaded gloves, and they caught him after, chances are he'd be suspended for life and faced felony charges, assault, attempted murder, all types of shit. But the fact is he was caught before the fight, not in the ring.
So technically, he never got caught for cheating during a fight. And that's the only reason why he can box again.
Regardless if we all believe he did it before or not, the fact remains there is no proof. So unfortunately you can't just ban a guy for life on suspicion.
So technically, he never got caught for cheating during a fight. And that's the only reason why he can box again.
Regardless if we all believe he did it before or not, the fact remains there is no proof. So unfortunately you can't just ban a guy for life on suspicion.
ATTEMPTING is the key word.
Vick went to prison because he COMMITTED a CRIME. Margarito sat out because he was caught ATTEMPTING to cheat during the fight.
And you're right...there's no telling how many times he fought with loaded gloves. So you can't ASSUME he used them before. Maybe he did. Maybe he didn't. I would ASSUME his gloves are checked before each fight, as with all fighters. I would ASSUME that would be proper procedure. And I would ASSUME if he was able to go through all of his fights with loaded gloves, I would ASSUME he must be a magician, being as he was able to do it over and over again without getting caught.
Vick went to prison because he COMMITTED a CRIME. Margarito sat out because he was caught ATTEMPTING to cheat during the fight.
And you're right...there's no telling how many times he fought with loaded gloves. So you can't ASSUME he used them before. Maybe he did. Maybe he didn't. I would ASSUME his gloves are checked before each fight, as with all fighters. I would ASSUME that would be proper procedure. And I would ASSUME if he was able to go through all of his fights with loaded gloves, I would ASSUME he must be a magician, being as he was able to do it over and over again without getting caught.
Well Margarito vs Mosely was a fight that we're 100% sure that the plaster like substance wasn't used. The fight against Cotto, Cotto was dominating in the early rounds. And then all of a sudden he started getting busted up (hence: the plaster started to harden).
Just look at Mosely's face after he fought Margarito (without the plaster) and then look at Cotto's after he fought Margarito.
Just look at Mosely's face after he fought Margarito (without the plaster) and then look at Cotto's after he fought Margarito.
well, part of the reason is that mosley hardly got hit clean by margarito whereas cotto was eating a lot of punches...a lot. Cotto's face wasn't that different than his fights against Pacquiao & Clottey (see below post).
Mosley hit him before he could be hit, beat him to the punch every time, or like Nazim said, swim without getting wet.
And mosley also clinched when margarito got too close for comfort.
I'm kinda in the belief that Margarito always would have beat cotto, with or without plaster. Just his style. Same with Mosley would always beat Margarito, with or without plaster.
Mosley hit him before he could be hit, beat him to the punch every time, or like Nazim said, swim without getting wet.
And mosley also clinched when margarito got too close for comfort.
I'm kinda in the belief that Margarito always would have beat cotto, with or without plaster. Just his style. Same with Mosley would always beat Margarito, with or without plaster.
I hear you.... but I think Cotto would have beaten Margarito without the plaster. I mean he was easily out boxing Margarito and then all of a sudden he got with a clean shot and just started bagging up like he couldn't take the shots anymore. I think it's obvious that his gloves were loaded... as the fight went on Cotto was getting busted up and bad.
I'm going to disagree there. It's not like all of a sudden cotto lost the final two rounds, Margarito was steadily working cotto over for the whole fight. I think Margarito was up a round or two at the time of the stoppage.
I mean it's tough to say though, obviously. But Margarito was putting in a lot of work in the early rounds, even though cotto may have won some of them. I remember as soon as round 2 or 3 cotto getting nailed with some pretty heavy shots that looked to have hurt him. But cotto's a warrior.
I mean it's tough to say though, obviously. But Margarito was putting in a lot of work in the early rounds, even though cotto may have won some of them. I remember as soon as round 2 or 3 cotto getting nailed with some pretty heavy shots that looked to have hurt him. But cotto's a warrior.
Its tough to say if the outcome would have been different but Cotto wouldnt have been worn down as bad i dont think if it wasnt for the plaster. For whatever reason Cottos punches did not really hurt Margarito and ultimately is why Cotto was in trouble. Margarito is a piece of shit regardless and so is his trainer.
Like 2-0 said, bleeding isn't anything new to Cotto, and he swells up in most of his fights. Pacquiao must have had plaster in his gloves, too, with the way he (Cotto) was beat up.
Also, Margarito must have had plaster in his face, since he took so many shots from Cotto and kept coming.
I don't see how you can use one fight (vs. Margarito) as evidence, and another (vs. Pacquiao), where he got beat up (physically) even MORE, and pretend like that doesn't matter.
Did Pacquiao have plaster in his hands vs. David Diaz? Did you see his face? Or maybe Jorge Arce had plaster in his gloves vs. Hussein Hussein, with the way his face looked.
Without the FACTUAL EVIDENCE, you cannot convict. BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT, remember? That's why OJ got off even though it was obvious he killed his wife.
If you were caught ATTEMPTING to commit a crime, TONY, would you expect to get the SAME sentence as if you had actually COMMITTED it? And after you were released, would you be cool with going back in, just because you MIGHT HAVE done it before? Even with no evidence?
Also, Margarito must have had plaster in his face, since he took so many shots from Cotto and kept coming.
I don't see how you can use one fight (vs. Margarito) as evidence, and another (vs. Pacquiao), where he got beat up (physically) even MORE, and pretend like that doesn't matter.
Did Pacquiao have plaster in his hands vs. David Diaz? Did you see his face? Or maybe Jorge Arce had plaster in his gloves vs. Hussein Hussein, with the way his face looked.
Without the FACTUAL EVIDENCE, you cannot convict. BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT, remember? That's why OJ got off even though it was obvious he killed his wife.
If you were caught ATTEMPTING to commit a crime, TONY, would you expect to get the SAME sentence as if you had actually COMMITTED it? And after you were released, would you be cool with going back in, just because you MIGHT HAVE done it before? Even with no evidence?
They had evidence Redrum... They just didn't go off of speculation. What ever they found was sent to the lab for testing.
So you're saying he should get off because he didn't use them against Mosely even though he was about to?
You can get a lot of prison time for "Attempted" murder.... because of the attempt even though you didn't committ, the intent to cheat/murder was there.
So you're saying he should get off because he didn't use them against Mosely even though he was about to?
You can get a lot of prison time for "Attempted" murder.... because of the attempt even though you didn't committ, the intent to cheat/murder was there.
While you're comparing it to crimes.... ever heard of conspiracy? Say you're planning on selling/distributing 5 kilos of coke. You're on the phone and you set the deal up and everything. But you never end up doing the deal for some odd reason.
But the Feds got you on tape!
Now ask yourself.... Can you still get in trouble for conspiring or setting up the deal even if the deal you set up never went through?
But the Feds got you on tape!
Now ask yourself.... Can you still get in trouble for conspiring or setting up the deal even if the deal you set up never went through?