Bob Arum on Ortiz "He's Hardly Mexican" LOL

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Arum on Ortiz, Etc.

Pacquiao played host to a workout Wednesday at the Wild Card Gym in Hollywood. Arum, of course, was present. First he was asked what he thought about Ortiz's victory Saturday.

"I thought it was a gutty performance and it really surprised me because based on his past body of work, I didn't feel that he could perform like that," Arum said.

"Now whether this was a one-time thing, or it's what we have to expect from Ortiz, it was a very, very good performance."

Arum was then asked if he might consider putting Ortiz in with Pacquiao, Ortiz's promotional status with Golden Boy notwithstanding. Before Arum had a chance to answer, it was pointed out to him that Ortiz is of Mexican descent and, of course, good Mexican fighters usually sell well.

"He's hardly a Mexican," Arum said. "He has, obviously, a Mexican last name. But he was raised in the Midwest (Kansas) and he doesn't speak Spanish, so he's not a person that would appeal particularly to the Mexicans. But that being said, we're not going to be stopped by anything as far as opponents are concerned.

We've got plenty of guys out there. Manny is ready to fight anyone.

"There is a whole host of guys that we're considering for the next fight, led by Marquez, but also Zab Judah or Timothy Bradley. And Ortiz, with another victory or two, would figure into it."

Does that mean, Arum was asked, that his extremely strained relationship with De La Hoya and Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer would not stand in the way of a Pacquiao-Ortiz fight?

"Only under the condition that they make a full and open apology to Manny Pacquiao," Arum said. "Because it's not me, it's Pacquiao. I'm a protector of Pacquiao, as his promoter. What they said about Pacquiao, both Oscar and Richard, is disgusting."

Arum was talking about the alleged accusations the two - along with the Mayweathers - made regarding Pacquiao's never-proven and supposed use of performance-enhancing drugs, which resulted in a defamation suit filed by Pacquiao against the lot.

"It was based on no evidence at all," Arum said. "It was just designed to hurt and defame and they have to account for that. There are no free lunches. You're responsible for what you say. If they said bad things about me, well, I'm a promoter and business is business and so it doesn't affect me the same way as saying defamatory things about somebody like Manny Pacquiao, whose boxing career is just a weigh station in his life where he hopes to become president of a country and a world leader. And you don't want that stigma to follow you."
 
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his robe and shorts was an american flag on the front and a mexican flag on the back.. he had 2 songs playing while entering the ring, one was hella white and the other was hella mexican.. i'm surpirsed his hat wasn't half sobrero half baseball cap... and yeah.. i don't think his trainer could speak english if he wanted too.
 
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Mexicans are deep out there in western Kansas, don't let the state's name fool ya...lol

Chalk this up to Arum just being ignorant on the subject is all.
 
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He doesn't speak spanish??????

He gave a shout out on the radio in Spanish here. And his trainers instructions were all in SPANISH. WTF is this dude talkin about?

Anyway, got my autograph yesterday. My boy got a pair of gloves signed. Ortiz even told him he'd sign both, he could keep one and sell one on EBAY. I thought that was kinda funny......

He was partying last night on the plaza here in KC. Wanted to make it but couldn't. There were a gang of people that became his fans after that fight thought.

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We'll like Ortiz my kids don't speak spanish but they understand it very well but I guess they're hardly Mexican in Arum's eyes.SMH!

That fucking fat cerdo.

Manny is getting better with his english, maybe his Filipino American now!
 
May 25, 2009
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arum is one funny jew but he keeps it real mexican fighters outside of california never get the same level of respect or support from raza and that's just a fact. now ortiz killed about 80% of his mexican mexican/american fans when he quit in the ring yes he earned a lot of people's respect back with the berto fight but people will never forget what he did. now add him quitting, being raised in kansas by white folks & not being able to speak proper spanish and it makes it really hard for him to ever get the type of following to bring big crowds and ppv numbers like a de la hoya or vargas...

but i do hope homie gets his big payday with manny or floyd he deserves it dude had a fucked up childhood and went through some shit in his life he gots my respect.
 
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i never understood how some mexican fans get so upset about quitting. I understand the reputation of a warrior and pride and all that, but sometimes quitting is the best option. And like how people have mentioned, in Europe that call that "retiring." "He retired from the fight" they don't see it as quitting if you're getting your ass beat. You live to fight another day, right?

Plus, I can list quite a few all time great mexican warriors who quit, starting with the most legendary in Julio Cesar Chavez Sr......... and they aren't viewed as quitters.

So I think Johnny you might be right that it has to do with Mexican American's. Oscar de la hoya is viewed by many as a quitter because he quit on the stool against Pac, but Chavez did the EXACT same thing against Oscar. Funny how that works!
 
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de la hoya had some fuckin awesome fights idk how anyone can be a hater.

Those were some suspect ass pictures though of him in girl clothes n shit.....
 
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2-0 sixx nobody really tripped on del la hoya quitting for the simple fact that we all knew he was way past his prime and it was more his corner not wanting to let him end his career in that fashion. although he gets a lot of hate oscar has earned every mexican's respect i mean he's straight outta east los, gave us some classic wars & in his prime never quit and always put it all on the line and thats what us mexicans expect from all of our fighters in the words of my boy vargas go out like a "true aztec warrior".

 
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You can learn to be smarter fighter but you can't learn to have heart.

Yes Mexicans are full of pride too much pride at times....we're the only race that cant get along EVEN in prison (were every one joins there one race).

^^ Bad example but very true!!
 
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I was referring to Victor Ortiz and the quitter remark. IMO it was the smart thing to do at that time. He was getting his ass beat. He was about to get brutally knocked out. He just got knocked down and was getting battered. He could have been a "warrior" and took a few more shots and ended up on a highlight reel getting brutally KO'd, or worse. He was young and he lived to fight another day and now he's champion. So it was the right thing to do imo.

Again I don't see how Ortiz got such a bad wrap for it, but Erik Morales quit against Pacquiao, looked at his corner and said no more. Rafael Marquez quit against Lopez. Israel Vazquez quit against Marquez the first time. Chavez quit against Oscar. And the list goes on and on.

For some reason certain guys get a pass while some others don't. That's the part I don't really understand.
 
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I was referring to Victor Ortiz and the quitter remark. IMO it was the smart thing to do at that time. He was getting his ass beat. He was about to get brutally knocked out. He just got knocked down and was getting battered. He could have been a "warrior" and took a few more shots and ended up on a highlight reel getting brutally KO'd, or worse. He was young and he lived to fight another day and now he's champion. So it was the right thing to do imo.

Again I don't see how Ortiz got such a bad wrap for it, but Erik Morales quit against Pacquiao, looked at his corner and said no more. Rafael Marquez quit against Lopez. Israel Vazquez quit against Marquez the first time. Chavez quit against Oscar. And the list goes on and on.

For some reason certain guys get a pass while some others don't. That's the part I don't really understand.
morales,chavez all those guys were past there prime they had hella miles on them.ortiz was fresh when he quit.its like living a car dealership with a brand new car on the drive home it dies on u in the freeway u pull to the side and it dont want to turn on no more lol
 
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He doesn't speak spanish??????

He gave a shout out on the radio in Spanish here. And his trainers instructions were all in SPANISH. WTF is this dude talkin about?

Anyway, got my autograph yesterday. My boy got a pair of gloves signed. Ortiz even told him he'd sign both, he could keep one and sell one on EBAY. I thought that was kinda funny......

He was partying last night on the plaza here in KC. Wanted to make it but couldn't. There were a gang of people that became his fans after that fight thought.

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I'm glad he still reps kansas even though when they announce him they say he's from california.

I'm half mexican and understand spanish really well and can speak spanish pretty decent but never really do. Maybe he's like that? Either way, who cares what arum says. Arum will talk trash about a fighter that's not in his stable and then signs that fighter and talks about how great they are.