Black teen receives 10 Years imprisonment for oral sex

[HERESY]

Because he would not be able to live with his younger sister as a registered sex offender. Plus, he shouldn't be a registered sex offender (something you'd be branded with for the rest of your life) in the first place.

But he is required to register as a sex offender because of the conviction. So he wouldn't be able to live with his sister regardless of if he took the deal or not.

Admission of guilt = punishment and registering as a sex offender.

Conviction at trial = punishment and registering as a sex offender.

EDIT: And I do believe the punishment was unjust.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

But he is required to register as a sex offender because of the conviction. So he wouldn't be able to live with his sister regardless of if he took the deal or not.

It wasn't about taking the deal or not, it's about beating the bullshit charges.
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[HERESY]

I understand, but they gave him the deal before AND after the conviction, and he turned it down both times. Remember, no matter what, once he got convicted he was required to do ten years WITHOUT the possibility of parole AND register as a sex offender. They came back after the conviction and offered to give him 5 if he entered a guilty plea and he turned it down.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

I understand, but they gave him the deal before AND after the conviction, and he turned it down both times. Remember, no matter what, once he got convicted he was required to do ten years WITHOUT the possibility of parole AND register as a sex offender. They came back after the conviction and offered to give him 5 if he entered a guilty plea and he turned it down.

Well, maybe it's a matter of principle. Why should one have to admit guilt if they feel they did nothing wrong? Especially considering you'll be branded for the rest of your life as a sex offender.

(One of my comrades younger brother had a similar situation and opted to take 1 year in prison vs no jail time but registered sex offender for the rest of his life.)

Also, he could have been advised by his lawyers not to take the deal because I'm sure they are planning an appeal and if he admits guilt then those chances would be lost.

 

[HERESY]

Well, maybe it's a matter of principle.

What would you have done?

Why should one have to admit guilt if they feel they did nothing wrong?

That could be one of several things. Maybe it was to make an "example" of him by making him bow down, or maybe it was because they knew the law (at that time) was unfair. Going into the trial I can understand not pleading guilty, but when they convict you, come back and offer a deal, you should probably take it. One of the guys who took the deal is already out and enrolled in college, and I would have done the same thing afterwards.

Especially considering you'll be branded for the rest of your life as a sex offender.

But he was convicted so he would be branded no matter what. I'm looking at teh amount of time here. He can do ten and register as a sex offender when released, OR he can do five and register as an offender when he is released. And remember the offer of five was after the fact. It's not everyday that you see the DA coming back and offering a deal after a conviction.

(One of my comrades younger brother had a similar situation and opted to take 1 year in prison vs no jail time but registered sex offender for the rest of his life.)

But this guy was facing jail time and registration regardless if he plead guilty or went to trial and lost the case. Now if it were me, I wouldn't have even opted for a jury trial in that situation. I would have opted for the Judge to be the trier of fact.

Also, he could have been advised by his lawyers not to take the deal because I'm sure they are planning an appeal and if he admits guilt then those chances would be lost.

There are loop holes in everything. There are provisions in the law that pave the way for pleading guilty if it is in your best interest. Besides, there could have been several things he could appeal on even after he was convicted like inadequate council etc.

 

[MataSkonkas]

EVERYONE GUILTY OR NOT SHOULD BOW TO THE MAN IF IT WILL SHORTEN PEN TIME......

 

[HellRazor5150]

The law is fucked up and part of it has to do because of these so called right wing judges bringing there own belief and religion into the trial and sentencing. I hope these people realize they did the wrong thing and let him out and let him get his life back. because its not right what so ever what they did.

 

[Arson]

Some of the mentally challanged (especially the bed buddy of someone who currently has a post in this thread) didn't grasp the fact that, he was offered a deal before AND after the trial. He would still be required by law to register as a sex offender, so why not take the deal they offer AFTER you've been CONVCTED?

its like if your put in jail for a murder you didnt commit, and the courts say "admit it and plead guilty, and get life with out parole, or try and fight it, and if you lose, get the death penalty".

 

[HERESY]

its like if your put in jail for a murder you didnt commit, and the courts say "admit it and plead guilty, and get life with out parole, or try and fight it, and if you lose, get the death penalty".

No it isn't like that. Your scenario isn't realistic because they don't give you the death penealty for trying to appeal something. They decide if they are going to seek the death penalty beforehand, and in california, you get an AUTOMATIC APPEAL if you have been sentenced to death.

Remember, he was convicted, and when you are convicted and due to serve your sentence it isn't everyday that they come back AFTER the verdict and offer you a deal. No matter if he plead GUILTY or was CONVICTED he would STILL have to register as a sex offender. Knowing this why not take the five years they are offering AFTER the fact that you have been convicted and on your way to doing ten without the possibility of parole?

 

[Deadpool]

Kid has got some serious pride and conviction (no pun intended).

 

[Arson]

No it isn't like that. Your scenario isn't realistic because they don't give you the death penealty for trying to appeal something. They decide if they are going to seek the death penalty beforehand, and in california, you get an AUTOMATIC APPEAL if you have been sentenced to death.

Remember, he was convicted, and when you are convicted and due to serve your sentence it isn't everyday that they come back AFTER the verdict and offer you a deal. No matter if he plead GUILTY or was CONVICTED he would STILL have to register as a sex offender. Knowing this why not take the five years they are offering AFTER the fact that you have been convicted and on your way to doing ten without the possibility of parole?

but they still offer plea bargins before hand, a appeal doesnt mean shit, you could still lose, a plea bargin usually will garentee a maxinum sentence.

 

[Arson]

what it boils down to, is they stacked tons of charges on him, such as rape, why the fuck would somebody plead guilty to a crime they didnt commit? only a fucking coward would, even for shorter time, Id rather do life in prison, then accept a deal when i was innocent.

 

[MataSkonkas]

Knowing this why not take the five years they are offering AFTER the fact that you have been convicted and on your way to doing ten without the possibility of parole?

CALL IT STUPIDITY BUT NOT EVERYONE IS A PUSSY.......

 

[Arson]

CALL IT STUPIDITY BUT NOT EVERYONE IS A PUSSY.......

Somebody once said, give me liberty or give me death.

 

[2-0-NINE]

Somebody once said, give me liberty or give me death.

Exactly, Just like the Salem Witch Trials, should one admit that they are a witch, in order to be free. Give me liberty and Truth or give me death.

 

[HERESY]

No

but they still offer plea bargins before hand, a appeal doesnt mean shit, you could still lose, a plea bargin usually will garentee a maxinum sentence.

First off, an appeal DOES mean something if you appeal and WIN. The reason why I mentioned an appeal was because you tried to make it seem as if someone who appeals can be put to death. Now lets look at something you said that is utterly false.

a plea bargin usually will garentee a maxinum sentence.

First off, how many criminal justice classes have you taken, and which ones teach that plea BARGAINS usually gurantee the MAXIMUM sentence? What is the use of a plea BARGAIN if you are going to get the max?

Also, if plea bargains usually gurantee a maxiumum sentence, why are charges often DROPPED if a person pleads to a specifc crime?

what it boils down to, is they stacked tons of charges on him, such as rape

No, they didn't stack a ton of charges on him. Based on the law at that time what he did was rape.

why the fuck would somebody plead guilty to a crime they didnt commit?

People do it everyday in the criminal justice system. In fact, the majority of people who DO plead guilty or take plea bargains ARE innocent. In addition, most cases don't even go to trial. Do you know why happens? THEY END IN PLEA BARGAINS!

If you don't have the money to hire a lawyer, and you are facing 25 years, you know you didn't do it, but they offer you ten with the possibility to get out after 4 what would you do?

only a fucking coward would, even for shorter time, Id rather do life in prison, then accept a deal when i was innocent.

Please, at the very LEAST you should probably take an introduction to criminal justice at your local JC/CC because what you are trying to promote makes NO SENSE at all.


Also, what many of you are failing to realize is that he was CONVICTED, yet they were willing to CHANGE the sentence AFTER the fact. Why this fact is beyond your basic comprehension is beyond me. Pride is his downfall, and at best, most of you are typing illogical words based on emotions and lack of information.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

What would you have done?

Probably the same thing.

That could be one of several things. Maybe it was to make an "example" of him by making him bow down, or maybe it was because they knew the law (at that time) was unfair. Going into the trial I can understand not pleading guilty, but when they convict you, come back and offer a deal, you should probably take it. One of the guys who took the deal is already out and enrolled in college, and I would have done the same thing afterwards.

No I don't think he should have taken it. In order to take it he must first admit guilt. Yes it's true that one of his comrades took the deal and is out, but he will also be branded a sex offender the rest of his life.

ut he was convicted so he would be branded no matter what. I'm looking at teh amount of time here. He can do ten and register as a sex offender when released, OR he can do five and register as an offender when he is released. And remember the offer of five was after the fact. It's not everyday that you see the DA coming back and offering a deal after a conviction.

Even the prosecutors in this case do not think he deserves jail time.

I heard his lawyer on the radio this morning and basically she was saying that he will not accept the deal because they are very confident he will win the appeal. This story has received a lot of national press and there is tons of outrage. The chances are he will have all charges dropped, something that may not have happened if he took the deal.

 

[Gordon Gekko]

There's been so many stories like that here in Georgia. I hear about one a month. I remember back in 2000 this 16 year old got some jailtime for havin sex with a 15 year old white girl. Back then, the law was that havin sex with anyone under 16 is statutory rape. I dont know what the fuck it is now, but these convictions are rediculous.

 

[2-0-NINE]

If you're given a plea, and when the rest of the US considers your act, not an act of statutory rape, and you accept the bid and lie about being a sex offender, would you like to live that way? Living a lie the rest of your life?

 

[HERESY]

If you're given a plea, and when the rest of the US considers your act, not an act of statutory rape, and you accept the bid and lie about being a sex offender, would you like to live that way? Living a lie the rest of your life?

Again, some of you need to actually R-E-A-D about the situation. HE PLEADED INNOCENT, BUT WAS FOUND GUILTY. BECAUSE HE WAS FOUND GUILTY, HE WAS REQUIRED TO REGISTER AS A SEX OFFENDER.

YOU HAVE NO POINT.