AZ Vigilantes Do What Bush Wont At Mexican Border

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Armed volunteers plan to patrol the Mexican border


Some fear bloodshed
By Arthur H. Rotstein
ASSOCIATED PRESS
11:17 a.m. March 30, 2005

TOMBSTONE, Ariz. – Hundreds of volunteers, some of them armed, are expected to take up positions along the Mexican border Friday and begin patrolling for illegal immigrants – an exercise some fear could attract racist crackpots and lead to vigilante violence.

Organizers of the Minuteman Project said the civilian volunteers, many of whom were recruited over the Internet, will meet first for a rally in this one-time silver mining town, then fan out across 23 miles of the San Pedro Valley to watch the border for a month and report sightings of illegal activity to Border Patrol agents.

Minuteman field operations director Chris Simcox described the project as "the nation's largest neighborhood watch group" and said one of the goals is to make the public aware of how porous the border is.

Jim Gilchrist, a retired accountant from Aliso Viejo, Calif., who organized the project, said that some volunteers will carry handguns, which is allowed under Arizona law, but are being instructed to avoid confrontation, even if shot at.

Still, law enforcement officials and human rights advocates are worried about the potential for bloodshed.

Critics contend the project may attract anti-immigrant racists and vigilantes looking to confront illegal immigrants. At least one white supremacist group has mentioned the project on its Web site.

"They are domestic terrorists that represent a danger to the country and could promote a major border conflict that will have serious ramifications and consequences," said Armando Navarro, a University of California-Riverside political science professor and coordinator of the National Alliance for Human Rights, made up mostly of Hispanic activists.

Michael Nicley, chief of the U.S. Border Patrol's Tucson sector, said the volunteers are "not the kind of help the Border Patrol is asking for."

Cochise County Sheriff Larry Dever said he fears immigrant smugglers might open fire on the volunteers.

"I wouldn't anticipate that people of that persuasion would act or react any differently to anybody, citizen or law enforcement alike, if they were confronted and felt like their cargo was in jeopardy," he said.

The project's organizers gave assurances the volunteers will be closely monitored. "If it gets to a situation where someone's life is in danger," said David Helppler, Minuteman security coordinator, "I will end the project."

Project organizers said they expect 800 to 1,000 volunteers. How many might actually show is unclear; similar efforts in the past few years flopped. One of them drew only about a half-dozen people.

The Homeland Security Department planned to announce Wednesday that is is assigning more than 500 additional patrol agents to the porous Arizona border to help keep out potential terrorists and illegal immigrants, The Associated Press learned.

About 155 agents will be immediately sent to Arizona, according to department officials who spoke on condition of anonymity.

The 370-mile Arizona border is considered the most vulnerable stretch of the 2,000-mile southern border. Of the 1.1 million illegal immigrants caught by the Border Patrol last year, 51 percent crossed into the country at the Arizona border.

Some people in this town nearly 30 miles north of the Mexican border, best known as the site of the 1881 shootout at the OK Corral, are eagerly awaiting the volunteers' arrival.

Tombstone Mayor Andree De Journett thinks of the volunteers as tourists and said they could boost the local economy.

"I've met five or six of them, they haven't been too bad so far," he said, estimating that 500 extra visitors for a month could mean $10,000 or more spent locally.

Marilynn Slade, Tombstone's city clerk, said the more attention drawn to illegal immigration, the better.

"The vast majority of the people feel that the feds should be dealing more aggressively with the problem," she said. "There's a huge, huge cry down here."



Associated Press Lara Jakes Jordan in Washington contributed to this report.
 
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my family from arizona and ill tell you this much.....the coyotes who make money off leading folks into arizona and the smugglers bringin in weed and coke have a good business goin....az is the easiest way to get here from mexico and if anyone gonna try and fucc that up theyll find themselves dumped in an empty well alive and left to die......no one can hear you scream in the desert....
 
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I see no problem with this whatsoever

but they just bulked up the border patrol around the az/mexico border by like 400% so I dont see the need for them... but good anyways. the illegal immigration here is ridiculous
 
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you are seriously dusted if you dont realize by now that the latino/a immagrants are more or less allowed into the country becuase they provide cheap labor. If the government wanted to drastically reduce the number of illegal immagrants all that would be required is for them to levy MASSIVE fines on any business or person that highers an illegal immagrant...

this minutemen guarding the border crap is rediculous, because honestly dudes are vigilantes with no more right to enforce the border laws than i have the right to stand outside the the New York Stock Exchange with a handgun rounding up insider traders...

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ColdBlooded said:
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you are seriously dusted if you dont realize by now that the latino/a immagrants are more or less allowed into the country becuase they provide cheap labor. If the government wanted to drastically reduce the number of illegal immagrants all that would be required is for them to levy MASSIVE fines on any business or person that highers an illegal immagrant...

this minutemen guarding the border crap is rediculous, because honestly dudes are vigilantes with no more right to enforce the border laws than i have the right to stand outside the the New York Stock Exchange with a handgun rounding up insider traders...

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Good point CB, the Gov should also run raids on business owners and not immigrant worker raids and slap some jail time on the business owners.
 
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you are seriously dusted if you dont realize by now that the latino/a immagrants are more or less allowed into the country becuase they provide cheap labor. If the government wanted to drastically reduce the number of illegal immagrants all that would be required is for them to levy MASSIVE fines on any business or person that highers an illegal immagrant...

this minutemen guarding the border crap is rediculous, because honestly dudes are vigilantes with no more right to enforce the border laws than i have the right to stand outside the the New York Stock Exchange with a handgun rounding up insider traders...

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Yeah, I was very aware of the cheap labor mexicans provide. EVERYONE in arizona knows that. the problem is, THERE'S TOO FUCKING MANY OF THEM! There's not enough "cheap labor" to go around anymore. When I drive to work every morning there are just TONS of illegal immigrants standing at street corners waiting for someone to pick them up and give them work to do. It's sad. Every time I bust a u-turn around there, I got 10 immigrants runnin up to my car "TRABAJA?" "TIENE TRABAJA?!"

its just getting ridiculous.. not that any of you would know
 
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AZ isn't the only place with dayworkers waiting for a sleazy unlicensed contractor to pay them $10 a day for hard labor. I respect them dayworkers that are willing to bust their ass for chump change more than the citizen/veteran bum begging for change so he can piss it away.

The problem is the people that hire the illegals, and all the government does is turn a blind eye to that problem. The gov. only goes after the defenseless immigrants trying to earn a living to feed their families and keeps the small businesses going with the cheap labor.

Not that you care or anything . . .
 
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209 Studioz said:
my family from arizona and ill tell you this much.....the coyotes who make money off leading folks into arizona and the smugglers bringin in weed and coke have a good business goin....az is the easiest way to get here from mexico and if anyone gonna try and fucc that up theyll find themselves dumped in an empty well alive and left to die......no one can hear you scream in the desert....
JEA, BASICLY
 
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ColdBlooded said:
this minutemen guarding the border crap is rediculous, because honestly dudes are vigilantes with no more right to enforce the border laws than i have the right to stand outside the the New York Stock Exchange with a handgun rounding up insider traders...
Thank you!
 
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its just getting ridiculous.. not that any of you would know
wtf you mean....you act like you only one on siccness from the west coast or united states for that matter.....they doin that shit all over the damn place even in the midwest and east coast.....

and besides i dont know ANY americans who would do the jobs these guys do......im mexican but i aint gonna go picc no veggies for no less than 15 an hour......you know how much your lettuce and tomato you love on that blt samich you eat every day would cost at that price of labor????

what exactly do YOU do for a living????
 
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^^^Its here in Seattle too. I work by a Home Depot and everytime I go to work the mexicans try to flag me down. I heard when they're building a new Home Depot in Cali they are gonna be required to build a separate "building" for those to stand around in or something.
 
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yuuup, I was watchin this Chicano comedian on this HBO special once, forgot his name, but he was talkin bout prop 187. He was talkin bout how he hoped it would pass so he could buy a house in Fresno wit a big ass tower and watch all the white ppl in the fields crying how they didnt "sign up for this." Shit had me laughin, but it's real. That's why Bush and his big business homeboys are lovin illegal immigration so they can exploit muthafuckas.
 
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Do you think a terrorist is dumb enough to run accross the border? any terrorist with half a brain is going to pose as a Mexican with a work visa crossing the check out point.
 
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209 Studioz said:
wtf you mean....you act like you only one on siccness from the west coast or united states for that matter.....they doin that shit all over the damn place even in the midwest and east coast.....

and besides i dont know ANY americans who would do the jobs these guys do......im mexican but i aint gonna go picc no veggies for no less than 15 an hour......you know how much your lettuce and tomato you love on that blt samich you eat every day would cost at that price of labor????

what exactly do YOU do for a living????
1. Arizona has, by far, the highest rate of illegal immigration. I'm sure socal is pretty bad too... but sac? cmon... Im not talkin about mexicans or hispanics, Im talking about ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS

2. What does me wanting to do their job have to do with anything? because the provide cheap labor. ya no shit, I just said that in my previous post.. and I also said there's a huge surplus here of illegal immigrants who dont have work at all... so they just stand on the street corners and harrass people.

3. I hate blt sandwiches. not a big fan of lettuce and I hate tomatoes.
 
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your a foo mayne....i know AZ is the easiest border to cross i lived in Tucson for many years.....but you obviously aint lived in Cali....nor cal/valley is one of the biggest producers in agriculture on the west coast and them immigrants might cross in AZ but its mostly desert so a lot of em get up here to work in the fields.....and i personally know at least 50 families right here in stoccton who are mostly illegal immigrants and bust thier asses in the canneries and fields......i respect the hard work they do....they keep to themselves...they jus people tryin to make it in this world.....