Article from the argus about the fremont rallies

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http://www.insidebayarea.com/search/ci_4124738

damn it was hella crazy seeing some names i remember from like middle school n shit tony rounds david anaya

anyways heres the article it says the wannabe minutemen is gonna stop having rallies publicly


Violence may have halted rallies
Police say Fremont illegal immigration protesters were attacked
By Chris De Benedetti, STAFF WRITER

FREMONT — In the wake of an illegal-immigration rally Friday in Irvington that turned violent and led to six arrests, protesters who repeatedly have clashed with each other said they may change their tactics.

"We'll keep having meetings and rallies, but we're not announcing anything publicly," said Charles Birkman, co-founder of the East Bay Coalition for Border Security, a Fremont-based group that opposes amnesty for illegal immigrants. "We're being more discreet with how we communicate."

On the other side, leaders of the International Socialist Organization's Oakland branch said they will shift their focus this week to providing legal help to counterprotesters who were arrested at the rally, even though they are not ISO members.

Meanwhile, police said they will work to prevent incidents such as Friday's, which was the most violent immigration protest in Fremont since they began May 1.

"What we'll try to do is get the two sides to talk, instead of having them stand on opposite corners and yell at each other," Sgt. Chris Mazzone said.

Officers also will continue to monitor both groups. "We need to stay neutral, we're not going to take sides," Mazzone said.

But Priscilla Perry, an Irvington resident who was arrested Friday on suspicion of obstructing an officer, claimed that officers showed bias in favor of East Bay Coalition members at the expense of the pro-amnesty demonstrators.

"There have been no arrests on the coalition side, and no statements were taken from our side," said Perry, a lifelong Fremont resident. She thinks that some coalition members also should have been arrested — or questioned, at least — because both sides engaged in the scuffle.

Police strongly denied the accusations.

"That is a bunch of nonsense," Mazzone said. "We were not embedded with anyone. The goal was to stop a fight."

Police also said that coalition members were defending themselves when five males, ranging in age from 16 to 28, attacked them.

"What happened was insanity, total chaos," Birkman said.

"It looked like a big cowboy brawl," said Perry, 26.

The anti-illegal-immigration activists were gathered peacefully at Irvington's Five Corners intersection until Perry's husband, Mike Perry, and four teenage neighbors disrupted them, police said. They struck coalition members, some of whom were elderly, and knocked signs out of their hands, police Detective Bill Veteran said.

"I saw the whole thing unfold," he said.

Mike Perry, 28, said he was arrested on an outstanding warrant related to an unresolved traffic violation. Two minors — ages 16 and 17 — and 18-year-old Tony Rounds also were arrested Friday on suspicion of battery, police said. David Anaya, 18, was arrested on suspicion of assaulting a police officer.

Police said that all four of the teens taken into custody have gang affiliations.

"One of them admitted it to us, and we have them on videotape flashing gang signs," Mazzone said. But Priscilla Perry emphatically denied that she, her husband or the four teens have any gang ties.

The rallies in Fremont have simmered with tension since pro-amnesty protests began nationwide on May 1 in response to various proposed immigration legislation.

Congress still is trying to reconcile House and Senate immigration and border security bills. The Senate bill provides a pathway for citizenship for illegal immigrants who have been here for five years or more. But the House bill, which the East Bay Coalition for Border Security supports, provides no such provisions.

and makes it a felony to be an illegal immigrant or to assist one.

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have been held at the corner of Mowry Avenue and Fremont Boulevard, near the Fremont Hub shopping center. But East Bay Coalition members said they moved nearly two miles south to the Five Corners intersection in Irvington for Friday's demonstration to avoid what they described as harassment by the International Socialist Organization members.

ISO members said that they followed coalition protesters to the intersection after finding virtually no one at Mowry Avenue and Fremont Boulevard. Most of the ISO protesters were en route to Five Corners when the brawl started, and thus did not witness it, ISO spokesman Michael Smith said.

"They have surrounded us and held their signs as close to us as possible, and placed their bullhorns close to our ears," said Mary Washington, an East Bay Coalition member. She said that the coalition's First Amendment rights and physical well-being have been threatened.

Art Bush is a 64-year-old Redwood City man who has attended several illegal-immigration rallies sponsored by coalition members. But after receiving a black eye and a chipped tooth in Friday's melee, he is not sure if he will be returning.

"I'm afraid of a drive-by shooting now," Bush said, expressing fear that future rallies will be targeted by gang members.

"I'm afraid we've unknowingly unleashed the hounds of hell on Fremont," Washington added.

Meanwhile, leaders of the International Socialist Organization, who support granting citizenship to the nation's 12 million illegal immigrants, disagreed. They painted a contrasting picture of Friday's events, blaming coalition members for starting the violence.

"You don't go to a community as diverse as Fremont and say, 'Immigrants go home' and 'Build a fence on the border,' unless you're looking for a fight," Smith said.

Smith echoed Perry's complaints of police bias, stating that police seemed to be in "collusion" with coalition members.

ISO leaders also began to work this week with the National Lawyers Guild — a legal activist organization — to form a defense committee to weigh legal strategies for those who were arrested.

"We are them. They are us," Smith said. "They are not members of the ISO, but they're with the protest. We're proud that they're there."

Acrimony steadily has escalated between the opposing groups of demonstrators as they have protested, nearly shoulder-to-shoulder, in Fremont in recent months. The groups often have accused each other of chanting racial insults, and they blamed each other again this week for starting Friday's brawl.

And while the ISO plans to demonstrate in Fremont again on Aug. 11, members of the East Bay Coalition for Border Security said they may take a break, as they rethink their modes of operation.

"We want to give everybody some time to cool down," Birkman said. "We're going to be more secure in how we do things."

Staff writer Ben Aguirre contributed to this report. Staff writer Chris De Benedetti covers Fremont issues. He can be reached at (510) 353-7002 or [email protected].
 
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Damn that tells you, either sit around and hope shit changes, or get up your ass and do something about it.......... Thanks Big Oso.........


FUCK THE MINUTE MEN!!!!!
 
Feb 23, 2006
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pay your fines oso. i have a warent 2 fuck that i aint paying no 4 Gs they could kiss my ass i didnt go to court fuck solano county
 
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Hu$tle530 said:
Damn that tells you, either sit around and hope shit changes, or get up your ass and do something about it.......... Thanks Big Oso.........


FUCK THE MINUTE MEN!!!!!

aye right on bro. that's what i'm talkin about. motherfuckas always sit around and talk like they doin somethin but actions speak louder then words feel me. anyways, fuck them racist faggots. them suckas ain't gonna do shit in my city let alone my neighborhood. they chargin my wife with terrorist threats and resisting arrest. fucken pigs ain't got nothin better to do then press charges on a mother of three that was just tryin to help her husband while he was cuffed and being kicked and hit with protest sticks.
 
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OSO THE STORY MADE THE SATURDAY SJ MERCURY NEWS PAPER.FUCK THEM PIGS ALWAYS TRING 2 TWIST SHIT AROUND.MORE HENTE SHOULD BACK UP WHAT THEY BELIVE IN.TOO MANY SHIT TALKERS NOT ENOUGH SHIT BEING HANDLED.OSO'S ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT HIS BUSINESS....MUCH LOVE HOMIE....FOR BEING REAL....
 

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NOT TRYNA CLOWN BUT FROM WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IS OSO LOC AND SOME HOMIES BEAT UP SOME ELDERLY PEOPLE.GOT ARRESTED FOR TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS, ALL AT THE SAME TIME CLAIMING NO GANG AFFILIATIONS WHILE CAUGHT ON VIDEO TAPE .WTF?
 
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you know what bro..i ain't even gonna get involved in your net shit again. every post i put up your in it and every post you make my name comes up in it. this is the last thing you should be tryin to get in to talk shit on. you're half mexicano too. this whole thread releates to you and your familia. this ain't about no gang shit. and you right down there 2 hours from where these minutemen are patroling the borders with guns. you talk all this shit about how you vatos down south are for the gente but when some folks go out and do somethin about it, because we from up north you wanna try to clown. let me address what you tryin to clown on.

"NOT TRYNA CLOWN BUT FROM WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IS OSO LOC AND SOME HOMIES BEAT UP SOME ELDERLY PEOPLE"
out of the 15 or so minutemen fools there, when the fight broke out the only ones that stood their ground and threw down were the old redneck fools. the younger white fools ran to their cars. they all were there promotin racist views on our people so when they swung first they got dealt with. only one of em was "elderly"...all the others were in their 40's.

GOT ARRESTED FOR TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS,
i got taken in for a warrant. 4 of my homies are all facing battery to a police officer and battery to them white fools and gang enhancments. my wife is facing battery to a cop and terrorist threats. on our way to the rally before the fight we was pulled over and they found out i had a warrant. they let us go but when the fight broke out. the same cops ran up and were like "this one has a warrant" before they knew was was goin down. they put me in a cop car and took me in while the others were held on the scene until the white fools pointed them out and then they were charged.

AT THE SAME TIME CLAIMING NO GANG AFFILIATIONS WHILE CAUGHT ON VIDEO TAPE .WTF?
maybe that's how yall get down in the south. loving to get your faces on camera and tellin the world what varrio you from. but up here we don't get down like that. this wasn't gang related. we were there to support immigrant rights and to show them racist minuteklan fools they ain't wanted around here. what do you want us to do? get on camera and yell out "NORTE". and nobody was caught on tape doin shit. all those involved are "on gang file" so them pigs already knew faces and names. wasn't nobody out there "gangbangin".

put aside the gangbangin for a minute and look at the big picture. these people are tryin to push their racist views and hatred for the mexican people across the country. they started at the border and now they popped up in the east bay. we stood up and did somethin about it. don't hate on us for doin that. talk shit about me and the north i don't give a fuck but when it comes to this issue, you should be supportin and not tryin to talk shit on those who got the heart to do somethin about it.
 

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I'LL PUT THE SET TRIPPIN SHIT TO THE SIDE FOR A SECOND. BEING THAT BOTH MY BLOOD LINES ORIGINATE IN MEXICO. I KNOW THE ARTICLE WILL PUT A SPIN ON SHIT SO PLEASE DONT THINK I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT FACT. WHAT YOU GOTTA UNDERSTAND IS YOUR GETTING CAUGHT UP IN EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT. THE POLICE ARE BIAS, THE MEDIA IS BIAS, AND OF COURSE ANY WITNESSES ON THERE BEHALF ARE BIASED. NOT TOO TRY TO TAKE ANY EFFORT YOUR GIVING TO THE CAUSE BUT YOUR ADDING FUEL TO THE FIRE.THEY ARE GONNA TWIST EVERYTHING TO MAKE IT SEEM LIKE THERE THE VICTIMS. LOOK HOW THEY STATE THEY HAD YOU GUYS ON TAPE THROWING GANG SIGNS, WHO KNOWS IT COULD BE SOMETHING THEY ARE JUST USING TO JUICE UP THE STORY.BUT REGARDLESS OF THE MATTER YOU ARE SERIOUSLY GOING TO NEED TO TAKE A DIFFRENT APPROACH TO IT IF THAT'S WHAT YOUR DESIRE IS.THEY MADE YOU OUT TO LOOK LIKE A NON PRODUCTIVE MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY. WHO CANT EVEN RESPECT THE LAW ENOUGH TO PAY HIS TICKETS, THAT BEATS ON ELDERLY PEOPLE WITH A BUNCH OF OTHER KNOWN GANG MEMBERS. YOU GOTTA REMEMBER WE ARE STILL PLAYING THERE GAME. I TOO PROBABLY WOULD HAVE SWUNG ON ANYONE WHO WOULD HAVE TRIED TO CRACK ME, BUT THIS IS THERE PLOY AND PLAN. MOST THEM OLD GEEZERS WERE MOST LIKELY INVOLVED OR KNEW OF PEOPLE WHO WERE INVOLVED IN THE ALL THE CIVIL RIGHTS DISORDER AND MELEES IN THE 60'S. THIS ISNT ANYTHING NEW TO THEM, SAME GAME NEW FACES TO THEM. WHAT YOU NEED TO BE DOING IS DEMANDING ACCOUNTABILITY FROM ELECTED OFFICIALS AND RESPECTED MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, ORGANIZING DEMONSTRATIONS WITH A DIVERSE GROUP OF HONEST HARDWORKING CIVILIANS AND SOMEONE THAT CAN HANDLE YOUR PUBLIC RELATIONS.ESPECIALLY WHEN DEALING WITH THE MEDIA. UNTIL YOU CAN TAKE THAT JUMP. DROP ALL THE GANG SHIT AND REALLY DEDICATE YOURSELF TO THIS CAUSE. YOUR NOT GOING TO GET THE EFFECT OR IMPACT YOU ARE SEEKING. BECAUSE THEY WILL ALWAYS HOLD THAT OVER YOU AND USE IT TO ALWAYS BE ABOVE YOU, NO MATTER IF IT'S RIGHT OR WRONG. WHO KNOWS MAYBE ONE DAY YOU AND A SURENO WILL BE TAKING EACH OTHERS BACK FOR THE SAME CAUSE IF YOU TRULY BELIEVE IN WHAT YOUR DOING.
 

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WXS STOMP3R said:
I'LL PUT THE SET TRIPPIN SHIT TO THE SIDE FOR A SECOND. BEING THAT BOTH MY BLOOD LINES ORIGINATE IN MEXICO. I KNOW THE ARTICLE WILL PUT A SPIN ON SHIT SO PLEASE DONT THINK I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT FACT. WHAT YOU GOTTA UNDERSTAND IS YOUR GETTING CAUGHT UP IN EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT. THE POLICE ARE BIAS, THE MEDIA IS BIAS, AND OF COURSE ANY WITNESSES ON THERE BEHALF ARE BIASED. NOT TOO TRY TO TAKE ANY EFFORT YOUR GIVING TO THE CAUSE BUT YOUR ADDING FUEL TO THE FIRE.THEY ARE GONNA TWIST EVERYTHING TO MAKE IT SEEM LIKE THERE THE VICTIMS. LOOK HOW THEY STATE THEY HAD YOU GUYS ON TAPE THROWING GANG SIGNS, WHO KNOWS IT COULD BE SOMETHING THEY ARE JUST USING TO JUICE UP THE STORY.BUT REGARDLESS OF THE MATTER YOU ARE SERIOUSLY GOING TO NEED TO TAKE A DIFFRENT APPROACH TO IT IF THAT'S WHAT YOUR DESIRE IS.THEY MADE YOU OUT TO LOOK LIKE A NON PRODUCTIVE MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY. WHO CANT EVEN RESPECT THE LAW ENOUGH TO PAY HIS TICKETS, THAT BEATS ON ELDERLY PEOPLE WITH A BUNCH OF OTHER KNOWN GANG MEMBERS. YOU GOTTA REMEMBER WE ARE STILL PLAYING THERE GAME. I TOO PROBABLY WOULD HAVE SWUNG ON ANYONE WHO WOULD HAVE TRIED TO CRACK ME, BUT THIS IS THERE PLOY AND PLAN. MOST THEM OLD GEEZERS WERE MOST LIKELY INVOLVED OR KNEW OF PEOPLE WHO WERE INVOLVED IN THE ALL THE CIVIL RIGHTS DISORDER AND MELEES IN THE 60'S. THIS ISNT ANYTHING NEW TO THEM, SAME GAME NEW FACES TO THEM. WHAT YOU NEED TO BE DOING IS DEMANDING ACCOUNTABILITY FROM ELECTED OFFICIALS AND RESPECTED MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, ORGANIZING DEMONSTRATIONS WITH A DIVERSE GROUP OF HONEST HARDWORKING CIVILIANS AND SOMEONE THAT CAN HANDLE YOUR PUBLIC RELATIONS.ESPECIALLY WHEN DEALING WITH THE MEDIA. UNTIL YOU CAN TAKE THAT JUMP. DROP ALL THE GANG SHIT AND REALLY DEDICATE YOURSELF TO THIS CAUSE. YOUR NOT GOING TO GET THE EFFECT OR IMPACT YOU ARE SEEKING. BECAUSE THEY WILL ALWAYS HOLD THAT OVER YOU AND USE IT TO ALWAYS BE ABOVE YOU, NO MATTER IF IT'S RIGHT OR WRONG. WHO KNOWS MAYBE ONE DAY YOU AND A SURENO WILL BE TAKING EACH OTHERS BACK FOR THE SAME CAUSE IF YOU TRULY BELIEVE IN WHAT YOUR DOING.
GOOD SHIT...
 

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^^^IM A GROWN MAN, DOG... I GOT NO PROBLEM MARCHIN WIT A MAN THAT SHARES THE SAME VIEWS AS ME, WHEN IT COMES TO THE MINUTEMEN, AND MOST OTHER IMMIGRATION ISSUES... IF I WAS IN FREMONT, I PROBABLY WOULDVE SLID THRU THERE, NOT ON NO GANG SHIT, BUT IN SUPPORT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE OPPRESSED THE MOST, WHEN IN TRUTH, THEY GRIT N GRIND THE MOST... WHAT MAN IS GONNA TELL ME WHAT TO BELEIVE IN OR WHAT NOT TO BELIEVE IN??? MORE IMPORTANTLY, WHAT MAN IS GONNA TELL ME WHERE I CAN OR CANT GO...
 
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WXS STOMP3R said:
I'LL PUT THE SET TRIPPIN SHIT TO THE SIDE FOR A SECOND.
homie this is the internet why would you even try set trippin on the internet why don't you stay out of this forum already shit all you do is talk shit