Are Dress Codes Racist?

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Nightclub's Dress Code May Violate Civil Rights
by Sylvia Maria Gross

Nightclubs usually enforce dress codes — banning T-shirts, sneakers or hats. But a new entertainment district in Kansas City, Mo., has established some pretty strict rules that some claim discriminate against young African Americans and Latinos. Sylvia Maria Gross reports for member station KCUR.


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It's standard practice for nightclubs to enforce dress codes, banning t-shirts, sneakers or hats. But in Kansas City, Mo., a new entertainment district has established some pretty strict rules that some claim discriminate against young African Americans and Latinos. And now the city is trying to encourage business development downtown, while ensuring patron's civil rights.

It's almost midnight on a steamy Saturday evening, and Kansas City's new Power and Light District is teeming with people. About a dozen new bars, restaurants and clubs are clustered around one block – which has a central, open-air plaza. A lot of people are here for the first time.

But not everyone is having a good time.

"I don't look like everybody else here — plaid shirt, Abercrombie and Fitch, they probably think I'm some Mexican from LA," says Mark Vasquez, who was just turned away at the entrance. He's here from Houston with his brother – who was wearing the same outfit, but got in: a black t-shirt, dark jeans, and sneakers.

"First it's like nothing on my shirt, you can't come in with a blank shirt, and then when a lot of people are showing that, they let them in with blank shirts," he says. "They say my shirt is too long."

Vasquez probably should have been admitted. The dress code here bans sleeveless shirts on men, excessively baggy or sagging clothing, work boots, and sports attire, when liquor is being served.

"I didn't think dress codes were an issue until the Power and Light District," says Dan Winter, of the American Civil Liberties Union of Kansas and western Missouri. He's been steadily fielding complaints since the downtown district opened last year. "You can't put a major attraction like that, right next to the center of the African-American community and expect them to feel comfortable restricting what they wear, and only what they wear, really."

The Power and Light District received substantial tax incentives when it was redeveloped by the Baltimore-based Cordish Company, which has similar projects there, and in Louisville, Ky., and Houston. Cordish Vice President Zed Smith says they adopted the dress codes on the advice of police.

"We had two specific goals in mind – public safety and decorum," Smith says. "It has absolutely nothing to do with race."

But complaints over the past year led the city council to pass an unusual ordinance: prohibiting bans on headgear, jewelry, long shorts and white t-shirts. But then a couple of weeks ago, controversy flared up again when DJ Jazzy Jeff, of Fresh Prince fame, cut his set short in a show at Power and Light. Jazzy Jeff says they told him not to play hip hop; officials say the music was too loud and it damaged the speakers.

Brian Bass is a contributing editor to Nightclub and Bar Magazine. He says dress codes are standard at nightclubs. They help bouncers keep troublemakers out.

"Cause without a dress code, then it certainly becomes a lot more sticky," Bass says. "You know when people are dressing up, there's some thought there that people will behave better than they do on a normal day as well."

Marcus McMiller disagrees. In September, he was turned away from Power and Light for wearing a chain with a cross on it, and long shorts.

"We have different styles in the way we dress, we have different styles in the way we wear our hair," McMiller says. "You know, so again it just comes back to, who are you trying to cater to with this dress code?"

The Cordish Company says more than 20,000 people visit the district each weekend and argues that it's a more diverse crowd than is seen in other parts of the city.

Sylvia Maria Gross reports for member station KCUR.
 
Feb 14, 2009
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Fucc that , I lived in Pacific Beach in San Diego and they would'nt let me in hella places cause my jeans were too baggy. Yet ,the white boys got ripped jeans and sandals on with faggot ass trucker hats. WTF is that!!!Fucc the bitch ass bouncers,thinking they celebs and shit. Dude you stand by a door for a living, GTFOH.
 
May 1, 2003
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From the article in teh first post!

But then a couple of weeks ago, controversy flared up again when DJ Jazzy Jeff, of Fresh Prince fame, cut his set short in a show at Power and Light. Jazzy Jeff says they told him not to play hip hop; officials say the music was too loud and it damaged the speakers.

WOW!!!
 
Nov 24, 2003
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1- The dress codes are not inherently racist because they discriminate equally between members of any race that chooses to dress in a certain way. It would be racist if the dress code allowed members of a certain race to dress one way and didn't allow the same choice to members of another race.

Just because a Ford Driving Club has a code against allowing people to join who drive Nissans, and the majority of people who want to join with Nissans are Asian, does not necessarily make the FDC racist.

2- The government has no business dictating what rules private owners want to enforce for their establishment. If you don't like the rule, don't go there. If enough people agree with you the establishment will fail.

3- Most bar/club owners in Seattle who I have spoken with have strongly agreed that a dress code INCREASES business and DECREASES violence. Sounds like good business to me.
 
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Here in Germany a lot of places won't let you in if you're American. I guess you have to wear pink shirts with the collar up, have spiky hair and borrow your sister's pants to get in.

They know we're ten times more likely to leave with their women, so I guess I can't blame them.
 

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Here in Germany a lot of places won't let you in if you're American.
lol well fuck germany then.

its like we woulda not allowed germans into certain places, but we dont even know what the fuck they are...

germans dont even exist to me, theyre like troglodytes. if someone told me they were german id be like ".....oh..."

i dont believe them they need more people

im not selling no german mutha fucka weed

from now on

lmao
 
May 9, 2002
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1- The dress codes are not inherently racist because they discriminate equally between members of any race that chooses to dress in a certain way. It would be racist if the dress code allowed members of a certain race to dress one way and didn't allow the same choice to members of another race.

Just because a Ford Driving Club has a code against allowing people to join who drive Nissans, and the majority of people who want to join with Nissans are Asian, does not necessarily make the FDC racist.

2- The government has no business dictating what rules private owners want to enforce for their establishment. If you don't like the rule, don't go there. If enough people agree with you the establishment will fail.

3- Most bar/club owners in Seattle who I have spoken with have strongly agreed that a dress code INCREASES business and DECREASES violence. Sounds like good business to me.
I agree to an extent.

I think it really depends on if one believes that certain races tend to dress a certain way. Is it more of a sociocultural biased rather than racist...but turns into a race issue because of it being sociocultural?
 

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yep, no more german potheads around me

until they let me brothers from the nation eat some of their shitty food, wait.... what can we not check out? is it a bar?

whatever that shit is, until we can have some....they gotta smoke german weed

imma tell everyone i know too no german people can get a sack
matter fact we should charge them to drink our american water like JT did to that one kid
 
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yep, no more german potheads around me

until they let me brothers from the nation eat some of their shitty food, wait.... what can we not check out? is it a bar?

whatever that shit is, until we can have some....they gotta smoke german weed

imma tell everyone i know too no german people can get a sack
matter fact we should charge them to drink our american water like JT did to that one kid
It's only some clubs, and they will let Americans in if they wear pink shirts and tight pants.

Bars don't have dress codes in the town I live in. Only one or two of the clubs.

In all fairness 95% of the Americans out here are soldiers. So you've got 18/19 year olds, trained to kill, back from a war, and suddenly they're legal to drink. It's a recipe for violence.